Tanith First and Only (WH40K) vs Imperial Sardaukar (Dune)

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Tanith First and Only's arsenal for this battle (Led by Ibram Gaunt):

• 300,000 Guardsmen.
• 100,000 Stormtroopers.
• 2,000 Ogryns.
• 20 Commissars.
• 900 Sentinels.
• 800 Chimeras.
• 800 Leman Russ Battle Tanks.
• 400 Leman Russ Vanquishers.
• 400 Leman Russ Annihilators.
• 300 Colossus Siege Tanks.
• 150 Basilisks.
• 300 Hellhounds.
• 150 Manticores.
• 300 Valkyries.

Imperial Sardaukar's arsenal for this battle (Led by Otto Aramsham):

• 300,000 Sardaukars.
• 100,000 Sardaukar Elites.
• 20 Officers.
• 900 Trikes.
• 800 Quads.
• 1,200 Combat Tanks.
• 300 Missile Tanks from Dune 2K.
• 600 Siege Tanks.
• 300 Devastators from Dune 2K.
• 300 Ornithopters.

Rules:

• The Sardaukar that are in this thread are novel ones but they are using weapons from the game Emperor: Battle for Dune instead of novel Lasguns.
• The vehicles for the Sardaukar are all from Dune 2 except for the Missile Tanks and Devastators.
• Tanith First and Only wins by destroying all the Imperial Sardaukar forces or until the Sardaukar surrender.
• Imperial Sardaukar win by destroying all the Tanith First and Only forces or until the Tanith First and Only surrender.

Battlefield location:

Song to go with this battle:

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It could go either way.

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Good fight siding with Imperials from dune

This is a stomp for Tanith. Better weapons in Las Rifles, Heavy Bolters, Meltas, and Plasma Guns. They also have Power Swords with their super human Commissar who fights Space Marines. The Tanith are experts in ambush and stealth, even taking down armies of Chaos Marines. Chaos Marines who would rape the Duneverse.

Obviously the Tanith are better equipped, and experienced fighters.

The biased is strong in this post.

could go either way.

@wut@killerwasp opinions?

@jwwprod: ig IMO in a tough right though

It could go either way. Tanks can barely manauver well in that mountainous terrain so either the artillery or the air power will be the game changers here. Not sure if the missile tanks can make the edge but the versatility between the basilisks and the manticores might give the IG an edge. But then again if that becomes the case then the air assets become the players here and I'm not sure between the Valkyries and the Ornithopters since both can seemingly function as gunships and air to air combat.

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@jwwprod said:

Tanith First and Only have barely any tanks. A Light Infantry army, packing many specialist units, snipers, and stealth specialist. All some of the highest skill outside Catachans and Cadians.

@sirfizzwhizz said:

The Sardaukar don't have any tanks :P yet in this thread they do.

@jwwprod: HA!

@sirfizzwhizz said:

Though their is a reason why they don't have any tanks in the novels.

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The tanith got major advantage in terrain, if they use up close guerilla tactic then really sardaukar have very little chance to win

@bachh2: Well the Sardaukar have fought people who love stealth and guerrilla tactics before :P

Goes either way. If IG get into any degree of open field, they crush. The Sardaukar Elites significantly outclass stormtroopers, though, and small-arms, limited engagements between the elites and the rest of IG footsoldiers means the IG guys are just fodder for the elites.

Unsure how much of an impact the armor makes. Mountains aren't good for big armor engagements. IG has huge advantage in air superiority though.

@jwwprod: still they have guy that out stealthed eldar ranger with only basic equipment. This terrain gonna a pain in the @ss for tank to make the play while missile tank need exact location to be effective. Tanith stealth and mobility provide by sentinel could disrupt enemy from behind while give manticore the ability to wipe out enemy force with precision. Unless there is a large plain here tank will have to be given to squad instead of grouping up in a division. Even so the chance that they get bombard from a far make tank almost irrelevant in this battle.

Nice battle..thanks

@shihan: Thanks :) who do you think will win?

Tanith wins. They battle Chaos Warriors and still win.

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@jwwprod said:

Imperial

@shihan said:

Which one since their both Imperial :P

Bump!

@jwwprod said:

Using novel skills, but only game weaponry, eh, I would expect the IG to win simply due to overwhelming armor and air superiority. (Although, skill wise, regular Sardaukar are more akin to Storm Troopers then Imperial Guardsmen, but game equipment really hampers them).

Novel Weaponry: The Imperial Sardaukar stomp so hard the Tanith first and only's mothers (who are already dead!) will feel it.

Indeed :) That's why I gave them weaponry from Emperor: Battle for Dune but I wanted to use novel skill for the Sardaukar because Novel Sardaukar are badass to the max!

@wut you should post on this one :P

@jwwprod: Honestly, not much for me to say on this one. I can do a detailed one, but it wouldn't really.. be that interesting. The IG hold too much of an air/artillery/armor advantage. I figure you put it in a mountainous terrain to try and lessen that, but the air superiority (they will tear the Ornithopters to pieces in short order) kinda negates that. The only categories I see Ordo wining is infantry and... maybe leadership. (Gaunt is great and all, but he is a light infantry regiment leader. [Cain is an artillery/mechanized infantry and Yarrick is heavy armor/everything]) I would give the IG elite infantry just because the Storm Troopers are way better armed then the Sardaukar Elites (Skill-wise, I would probably put my money o the Sardaukar elites, but not by a big enough edge to really change anything).

By the power of Abnettforce Tanith First and Only should win. Perhaps even without speaking on enuncia.

@wut said:

To be honest I though the Dune tanks and IG tanks looked about even.

Ordo? this is the Sardaukar that's fighting the Imperial Guard not House Ordos XD

@jwwprod: Blegh, I blame that House Ordo thread I read of yours. XD Got them stuck in my head for some reason, got the units right.

Nah, none of the Dune tanks have the feats to suggest they are as good as the IG versions.

@wut: Well apparently the stats for the Dune 2 tanks say that they fire 155mm rounds and such, not to mention the Devastator is pretty much Mammoth Tank-lite.

@jwwprod: I wasn't really referring to their weaponry, they have the weaponry to hurt IG tanks.

Their durability is what is in question. Leman Russ tanks are incredibly durable, Dune Tanks... not so much.

A Mammoth Tank has big guns, but it is also incredibly durable, the Devastator is a glass-cannon (that can also go nuclear and explode killing everything around it). Meaning even glancing shots form Leman Russ tanks, or infantry anti-tank weaponry, artillery rounds, etc, can utterly decimate their heavy armor.