Symbiotes vs DCEU Superman

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#101 Posted by WolverineBatmanFTW (1972 posts) - - Show Bio

Symbiotes wreck. Carnage alone has immunity to sonic attacks and can tank better HV that DCEU Clark can output. Add in three more symbiotes and it's a stomp.

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#102 Edited by Chad_Duby (6047 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: Smashing walls is what he loves doing but that says nothing about the furthest edge of his capability as when needed he normally shows to be much more powerful than that. His consistent feat is not about throwing people around, smashing walls or doing things that he himself considers as “play time activity”. That is like saying Galactus is just planet level or lower because he normally does eat planet. Carnage kills every single body he thinks would satisfy him watching them die, from hamster to person, and loves doing so meaning you can’t say it is the furthest edge of his capability.

Again, you simply disregarded another feat where he was shown to be much more powerful than that.

You didn’t understand what I have said. Thanos allowed all of that to happen because he wanted to look brave in the eyes of Death and not like a coward who would rely on just the stones, as Mephisto simply invoked the spirit of manliness in him. And, no, Cap engaging in the fight with high tier characters proved that he wasn’t as weak as you thought him to be but rather making his stats consistent. We have seen him using his shields to block attacks from team buster and many different high tiers and every time he does it just fine, making it his “consistent feat.” Claiming otherwise is challenging the meaning of “average” and downplaying.

You simply don’t understand the meaning of “team buster”. You can be both a Galaxy buster and a villain to some human level characters as along as they and you have intention to fight each other, whether it be for your own entertainment or need. As it seems, he does normally toy with them and loves getting them stuck in fear. That is his character. He could have killed them easily many times in the past but he didn’t because he was mad and loved suffering of others.

Him being very smart didn’t prove he held back. You are the one needing to prove that Hulk wasn’t trying to hit him harder than the way Spider man normally does. We saw the damage and clear different between the defect of Hulk’s and Spiderman’s Punch. Why did Hulk need to hold back against a threat like Venom when he was smart enough to know that Venom was dangerous?

He certainly was, seeing as how his tentacles were capable of bounding 4 different heroes, including Ben Grimm, and got them restrained, at the same time. How many toners was Ben Grimm? Obviously waaay above Clark.

What is certain in that the Heaven wheel, likely to be above 50 tons, was held by a weakened Venom.

Healing doesn’t work when he is getting infected and it only works under sun light so Carnage can just cover him and kill him. Also, prove how Superman is capable of ending him in one blow when Sentry was incapable of doing so after dragging him to outer space.

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#103 Edited by Eredin12 (1122 posts) - - Show Bio

@chad_duby:

Smashing walls is what he loves doing but that says nothing about the furthest edge of his capability as when needed he normally shows to be much more powerful than that. His consistent feat is not about throwing people around, smashing walls or doing things that he himself considers as “play time activity”. That is like saying Galactus is just planet level or lower because he normally does eat planet. Carnage kills every single body he thinks would satisfy him watching them die, from hamster to person, and loves doing so meaning you can’t say it is the furthest edge of his capability.

Agian, no but that shows his power, those are his consistent feats, that happends in his fights when he does not hold back, that is not just playing, he does not one-shot Venom, the same Venom was one shtoed by the big house-sized explosion, he is not some Montian level powerhouse

Again, you simply disregarded another feat where he was shown to be much more powerful than that.

I did not, again you said Hulk pinched Venom, but Hulk holds back so that does not matter

You didn’t understand what I have said. Thanos allowed all of that to happen because he wanted to look brave in the eyes of Death and not like a coward who would rely on just the stones, as Mephisto simply invoked the spirit of manliness in him. And, no, Cap engaging in the fight with high tier characters proved that he wasn’t as weak as you thought him to be but rather making his stats consistent. We have seen him using his shields to block attacks from team buster and many different high tiers and every time he does it just fine, making it his “consistent feat.” Claiming otherwise is challenging the meaning of “average” and downplaying.

Sure he can block it with shiled, that is what his shiled does, absorbs kinetic energy, but Cap hurting and fighting high tiers is nothing more than extreme PIS, he is mid-level street leveler, not a powerhouse

ng of “team buster”. You can be both a Galaxy buster and a villain to some human level characters as along as they and you have intention to fight each other, whether it be for your own entertainment or need. As it seems, he does normally toy with them and loves getting them stuck in fear. That is his character. He could have killed them easily many times in the past but he didn’t because he was mad and loved suffering of others.

No, Team busters are not vilain to street levelers, hero and vilain are at least on reasonable distance, MXY is expected but he is not Superman vilaian in the true sense of the word, he is more prankster, who likes and plays with him and that is not case with Spiderman and his villains, Carnage fights Venom and Spiderman serisously as well and does not just toy with them , and he does not atomize them

Him being very smart didn’t prove he held back. You are the one needing to prove that Hulk wasn’t trying to hit him harder than the way Spider man normally does. We saw the damage and clear different between the defect of Hulk’s and Spiderman’s Punch. Why did Hulk need to hold back against a threat like Venom when he was smart enough to know that Venom was dangerous?

Becase Venom is nothing more than ant to Hulk, venom is nothing to Hulk, Hulk is much stronger, more durable, and is faster, venom surviving hit from Hulk sho can destroy nuke proof things prove that, Hulk held back, he did not want to kill him and sure Hulk punch and Spiderman punch will be difrnet, but Hulk still held back and punch only with force greater than Spiderman but much weaker than his power hits

He certainly was, seeing as how his tentacles were capable of bounding 4 different heroes, including Ben Grimm, and got them restrained, at the same time. How many toners was Ben Grimm? Obviously waaay above Clark.

Clark is fast eanguh to dodge them and

What is certain in that the Heaven wheel, likely to be above 50 tons, was held by a weakened Venom.

Still, ant compared to Clark

Healing doesn’t work when he is getting infected and it only works under sun light so Carnage can just cover him and kill him. Also, prove how Superman is capable of ending him in one blow when Sentry was incapable of doing so after dragging him to outer space.

Carnage did not do that with Thing so he would not cover him becase he would not know abot sun, and Can you proof it works on somone with Superman level healing factor? I mean there need to be the way to resist it, otherwise, it would be NLF, and Clark would easily dodge him so he would not be tagged in first place

When did Sentry hit him?

And Clark only need to knock him out, he was down for half a minute from some exsplosion, Clark hits are way above that, he knocks him out

Also What is his energy resistance feats to prove that he can tank heat vision, becase Clark can one-shot with HF

Clark HF has vaporized Humans, instatly melted tons of steel, one shoted ship that no solled reentry, cut through montain like paper, destroyed 4 skyscrapers in seconds

It is pretty powerful

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#104 Posted by Chad_Duby (6047 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: Which fight are you referring to? As shown by the feat where he threw Venom away, his full capability allowed him to dismiss the like of Venom without effort. And no he was mostly playing when he chose to mess up infrastructure around him, which didn’t show his full capability. His full capability is waaay above that otherwise he wouldn’t be able to fight venom in the first place.

It was your assertion that he held back and I asked you prove how it went according to that logic and you have not made a claim proving why. He certainly didn’t go all out but it wasn’t just a pinching.

Believe it or, fighting high tiers behind his shield is what he is capable of doing and he has been consistently doing it for years. You are talking about a man who swapped hands with Ironman before.

The relation between Myx and Superman is close to the attention Carnage, as an insane person, has with Spider-Man and Venom and stop saying that it isn’t true. Very very rare has Carnage ever become serious in the fight with Venom and Spider man as he is capable of beating their asses without problem.

That is your assertion which you have to prove. The instance that took place between the two characters and other characters proved otherwise, meaning Professor Hulk was punching him just like he was punching another villains. Surviving that punch proved his consistent durability and not just PIS, so what you are doing is nothing more than trying to find the way to downplay his feat, something you love doing most.

Sure, he did. He just covered him up with hush tentacles along with the heroes who were standing there with Thing and Spider-Man. If he sees Clark trying to escape and getting near the Sun he is gonna acknowledge it and cover him up. How does healing factor come into play? We have never seen DCEU Superman overcoming matter manipulation, telepathy or infection before, but what we did see was getting near the sun just to get healed from the damage done to him from Nuke. That doesn’t help him overcome Carnage’s infection, more importantly, he would be able to break out of Carnage tentacles because they were strong enough to restrain the Thing. No, he wouldn’t and Clark wouldn’t acknowledge the danger of his tentacles. I meant, how can he avoid physical engagement with Carnage’s tentacles when he has to fight him? It is more likely that Superman would be restrained.

Sentry didn’t hit him. He dragged him straight from Earth to Space and ripped him in half and left him there to fall to Earth.

He can be knocked out but his symbiote couldn’t and he would return to his standard condition quick enough to kill Clark. He is currently undead and, thanks to Grendel, Superman can possibly knock him out.

What is the proof that Clark’s heat vision can one shot him? We know that the fear to fire(not all sorts of heat) was of mental problem shared in the DNA of every symbiote. Their ancestor had been forged into a weapon inside the flame in Celestial’s brain for centuries and it is still fine. The last time Venom got caught in fire, it lost its memory for a while and served as a guard dog for Eddie without any physical problem. The same thing can be applied to superior sybimote of Carnage, especially the current one, Grendel.

All of it with his heat vision? Exploding vehicles can be caused through over heat which could have happened when Clark was Burning those things while in the same time overheating the inside system. It should be comparable to Zod’s which was barely even capable of penetrating concrete. However, that is not enough to even harm current Carnage.

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#105 Posted by eri123 (5282 posts) - - Show Bio

Symbiotes

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#106 Posted by Bayman007 (2498 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman wins

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#107 Edited by Eredin12 (1122 posts) - - Show Bio

@chad_duby:

Which fight are you referring to? As shown by the feat where he threw Venom away, his full capability allowed him to dismiss the like of Venom without effort. And no he was mostly playing when he chose to mess up infrastructure around him, which didn’t show his full capability. His full capability is waaay above that otherwise he wouldn’t be able to fight venom in the first place.

Sure he can overpower and ragdoll Venom like Superman or Zod did to each other but that is not my point but he fights them seriously, he does not atomize them with a single strike or things like that, him destroying insfrasturcires are his striking feats and even when he is bloodlsuted he does not destroy buildings or city with single strike

And Venom himself does not have any feats better than punching people through bulding, destroying walls and street, and parts of a building, so him fighting Venom does not say much

It was your assertion that he held back and I asked you prove how it went according to that logic and you have not made a claim proving why. He certainly didn’t go all out but it wasn’t just a pinching.

Venom was hurt by many wekaer attacks, Spidemrna made him bleed and hurt him very much by one punch, he is not tanking somoen who destroyed nuke proof things, Profesor Hulk was holding back like Superman deos agisnt criminals so that means nothing

Believe it or, fighting high tiers behind his shield is what he is capable of doing and he has been consistently doing it for years. You are talking about a man who swapped hands with Ironman before.

Who?

Carrange? No, he is not on that level consistently

The relation between Myx and Superman is close to the attention Carnage, as an insane person, has with Spider-Man and Venom and stop saying that it isn’t true. Very very rare has Carnage ever become serious in the fight with Venom and Spider man as he is capable of beating their asses without problem.

No , it is nothing similar

MXY is not insane and he likes and cares about Clark in his way, he is prankster, not vilian, but he can atomize Superman and entire universe with snap of his finger, difference in power between Spdierman and Carnage is nothing similar and sure he can beat them easily but he does not vaporize them with one hit, they can still tank his hits

That is your assertion which you have to prove. The instance that took place between the two characters and other characters proved otherwise, meaning Professor Hulk was punching him just like he was punching another villains. Surviving that punch proved his consistent durability and not just PIS, so what you are doing is nothing more than trying to find the way to downplay his feat, something you love doing most.

I never said it is PIS, only that he held back and no i do not lowball him but he is not on that level, Hell Symbiotes vs All Might thread got locked for being a complete mismatch in his Favor

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/carnage-and-venom-vs-all-might-and-noumu-1944399/

And All Might is only city block+ level, and it was not locked by someone who does not know Carnage , it was locked by Jarsho who is Carnage and spdierman expert

Do you see the difference?

You are saying he can tank hits from high tiers that destroy mountain chains by shockwave of their attack

Sure, he did. He just covered him up with hush tentacles along with the heroes who were standing there with Thing and Spider-Man. If he sees Clark trying to escape and getting near the Sun he is gonna acknowledge it and cover him up. How does healing factor come into play? We have never seen DCEU Superman overcoming matter manipulation, telepathy or infection before, but what we did see was getting near the sun just to get healed from the damage done to him from Nuke. That doesn’t help him overcome Carnage’s infection, more importantly, he would be able to break out of Carnage tentacles because they were strong enough to restrain the Thing. No, he wouldn’t and Clark wouldn’t acknowledge the danger of his tentacles. I meant, how can he avoid physical engagement with Carnage tentacles when he has to fight him? It is more likely that Superman would be restrained.

Clark was never near sun the that would make him FTL gave how fast he returned, the sun only shined on hin and regenerated him, so he can do it here as well if it is a day, and he did not cover Thing complelty, his face and good part of his body was not covered which is all Clark needs to regenerate and healing factor prevents infections, pressure points, that is with Wolverine and that would be with Clark and like i said Clark would just dodge it with ease, he would not tag him with that , he can easily dodge them and still punch Carnage and beat him

Sentry didn’t hit him. He dragged him straight from Earth to Space and ripped him in half and left him there to fall to Earth.

So he never hit him? Good.

My point is Clark can one-shot him with hit

He can be knocked out but his symbiote couldn’t and he would return to his standard condition quick enough to kill Clark. He is currently undead and, thanks to Grendel, Superman can possibly knock him out.

Clark only needs to knock him out and he won

What is the proof that Clark’s heat vision can one shot him? We know that the fear to fire(not all sorts of heat) was of mental problem shared in the DNA of every symbiote. Their ancestor had been forged into a weapon inside the flame in Celestial’s brain for centuries and it is still fine. The last time Venom got caught in fire, it lost its memory for a while and served as a guard dog for Eddie without any physical problem. The same thing can be applied to superior sybimote of Carnage, especially the current one, Grendel.

What are his feats to prove it can tank it?

All of it with his heat vision? Exploding vehicles can be caused through over heat which could have happened when Clark was Burning those things while in the same time overheating the inside system. It should be comparable to Zod’s which was barely even capable of penetrating concrete. However, that is not enough to even harm current Carnage.

Zod HV instatly cut thick concrete like paper and destroyed skyscraper in secodns

https://gfycat.com/frightenedambitiousjunebug

And that was Zod when he first learned his power and used it at the much lower level, later Zod could cut 4 skyscrapers in secodns with his HV

If you mean when he used it agisnt that family when he died, he did not use it at full power, Kryptonians can control how much power is their HV like when Clark used it on Louis without killing her, same is here

Clark can one-shot with HV

His HV has vaporized humans, melted tons of steel instatly, cut through montain instatly and destoryed ship that no solled reentry, reentry heat could not do anythign to ship, let alone destroy it

So his HF can easily one-shot him and them all together

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#108 Edited by Chad_Duby (6047 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: I have never claimed that he has the ability to matter manipulate but the thing is that he certainly is waaaaay above both Spider man and Venom to the point where they were capable of being thrown away by him. And no, not doing damage to the environment doesn’t mean he is incapable of doing so, given that people whom he usually fight have no problem with that. Would you argue that Thanos was not even space ship level because when he raised Zen whobberi he had to fight the civilians with his scythe which he only used to cut them to pieces instead of blowing them along with their entire planet up? Or when he fought Silver Surfer and after knocking him off left no damage to the area he and Surfer were in, though normally Surfer is above star level?

Except he does have feat of holding a Ferris wheel which should have weighted at least 100 tons before it fell down, while weakened. Except Carnage himself has fest of restraining Ben Grimm, a continental level threat.

The reason he bled was due to his face being un covered by Venom meaning even I can do that, so if you wanna down play him then it is not gonna work. Professor Hulk has punched Eddie down before and it was a part of his feat. What you do is to go by the lowest of them all just to make Symbiotes look bad while in all truth they can be much stronger than you think.

Captain America. Show me how he struggled against lesser opponents consistently.

That was why I used the word “similar” and not “same” because there was some huge different but the two were on the same tracks. Killing and torturing their opponents when they can pretty much end them with thoughts. You can classify Myx as either hero, villain or prankster all you like but the truth is, he doesn’t give a shit about Superman and plays with him for fun only. Once he erased the entire multiverse because he didn’t want to be blamed by multiple heroes coming from dead universes he destroyed. It was during the same event Myx and Batmite destroyed everything.

Then where is your proof of him holding back? You will switch to PIS as soon as I start arguing against it. What classifies him as being in that level is what he does and not his characteristics. He has shown to be that level many times and you still deny it for some reasons.

You justify you own case because Mods think the battle between Carnage and some lame Saitama’s rip off is not OK?

Tanking attacks from high tiers and even cosmic tiers is so common to Marvel heroes other wise we wouldn’t have had them in them first place.

I should have made it more clear. I didn’t mean he literally was near the Sun but still he was outside of Earth and it took him many many many seconds to return in full power and we wouldn’t how it would have looked like on Earth. Clark probably wouldn’t have survived. Also, given that Doomsday, absorbed most of the energy resulting from the Nuke, we don’t know how much damage was done on Superman. And the scene was pretty much a time skip.

Also, please explain how is his healing factor gonna work when what Carnage does is not simply roasting him with radiation but turning him into another carnage with his power by just wrapping him up. You have to prove how he is gonna do that. Lol, no he is not too fast. People who have Super speed and super reaction as well failed to dodge it. Given that Superman needs to fight him straight on in this battle, how is he going to dodge something he needs to touch and how is he going to know that it is dangerous? Carnage can easily grab him and tear him to million pieces if he wants, provided that he was powerful enough to restrain Ben Grimm. He would eventually tag him just like how even the likes of Death Stroke could Tag him in the comic. Carnage is gonna do the same.

He dragged from the Earth to space in high speed. How much tension do you think Carnage had to endure? And why did Sentry think of taking him to space? He saw Carnage as a threat that needed to be killed in the most secure of way, meaning in this battle Clark wouldn’t beat him. He was ripped in half and left there and survived.

How is he gonna knock someone who laughed off after having his symbiote taken off his body while being half dead? He can’t be knocked out. Blowing his head up didn’t even slow him down so...

Given that every symbiote has tanked things far worse than that? Given that Grindel the same dragon that bounded with Carnage was flying across the universe to carry Knull’s armies to every civilization? Given that the last time, even the like of Venom, had interaction with fire and heat and things considered to be Symbiote’s weakness, almost nothing happened to them? Given that Zod’s heat vision before he died was incapable of penetrating concrete?

What happened what that he melted down the iron rods so the buildings can collapse. That was not impressive enough to kill Carnage in this scenario. That is his consistent power level

His intention was to depress Clark with the feeling of failure to protect the population of Earth he loved so much. How was he incapable of doing so just because his held was being held and he was “so” consistent with his heat vision?

Clark Can’t one shot with heat vision because the damage shown is nothing close to what the symbiotes have tanked. Million of symbiotes have tanked lighting from Thor during the Viking ages and survived and you think Clark’s heat vision is gonna do any damage to Carange, who is apparently God level according to other symbiotes? Mind you, that lighting bolt was powerful enough that even Knüll considered it the hardest thing he has been hit by since his colonization and he was billion of galaxies away from his children who have been hit by Thor. Not only did it hurt Knull, it also severed the connection between him and another symbiote, given them independence, not death. If they managed to tank that then Clark is not gonna do damage to Carnage. What mountain?

If you were referring to the Kryptonian ship, wasn’t it destroyed by the help of human scientists who caused inter explosion?

That is not gonna happen.

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#109 Edited by Eredin12 (1122 posts) - - Show Bio

@chad_duby:

I have never claimed that he has the ability to matter manipulate but the thing is that he certainly is waaaaay above both Spider man and Venom to the point where they were capable of being thrown away by him. And no, not doing damage to the environment doesn’t mean he is incapable of doing so, given that people whom he usually fight have no problem with that. Would you argue that Thanos was not even space ship level because when he raised Zen whobberi he had to fight the civilians with his scythe which he only used to cut them to pieces instead of blowing them along with their entire planet up? Or when he fought Silver Surfer and after knocking him off left no damage to the area he and Surfer were in, though normally Surfer is above star level?

He is above them by a good amount to the point that he can no sell their hits and overpower them but he is not waaay above them like you said, and those punches only prove how good are his quantifiable feats, Thanos has good quantifiable feats( kiling Silver Surfer in few hits, destroying planet in his fight, punching enemies to mars, ) But Carnage is like i said on that level with those feats

Except he does have feat of holding a Ferris wheel which should have weighted at least 100 tons before it fell down, while weakened. Except Carnage himself has fest of restraining Ben Grimm, a continental level threat.

That is fodder to Clark

Ben Grim is not continetnal, lmao, his quaffable feats are montain level and Carrange infected him with a symbiote

The reason he bled was due to his face being un covered by Venom meaning even I can do that, so if you wanna down play him then it is not gonna work. Professor Hulk has punched Eddie down before and it was a part of his feat. What you do is to go by the lowest of them all just to make Symbiotes look bad while in all truth they can be much stronger than you think.

Thing is they are not stronger by feats, that chracter are low mid-tier, they are spiderman Villians

Captain America. Show me how he struggled against lesser opponents consistently.

Who?

That was why I used the word “similar” and not “same” because there was some huge different but the two were on the same tracks. Killing and torturing their opponents when they can pretty much end them with thoughts. You can classify Myx as either hero, villain or prankster all you like but the truth is, he doesn’t give a shit about Superman and plays with him for fun only. Once he erased the entire multiverse because he didn’t want to be blamed by multiple heroes coming from dead universes he destroyed. It was during the same event Myx and Batmite destroyed everything.

I know that is WF story, and it is non-canon

Mxy does care about Clark in his own way but he is not vilain in a true sense like Carnage is and difference in power between Spiderman and Carnage is nowhere near that between Clark and Mxy, Carnage cannot atomize Spidemran with a punch, peter can tank his htis

Then where is your proof of him holding back? You will switch to PIS as soon as I start arguing against it. What classifies him as being in that level is what he does and not his characteristics. He has shown to be that level many times and you still deny it for some reasons.

Thing is he has not, Venom has many feats that prove he is nowhere near that level, i could post feats were Spiderman wrecks him with the punch, where he was knocked out by the explosion,.. he was knocked out by much weaker attacks , someone like Hulk can vaporize him easily, it is clear that he was holding back

You justify you own case because Mods think the battle between Carnage and some lame Saitama’s rip off is not OK?

I mean Jarsho is spiderman and Carnage expert he knows and Carnage feats prove that as well

Tanking attacks from high tiers and even cosmic tiers is so common to Marvel heroes other wise we wouldn’t have had them in them first place.

Sure if they are holding back, without that it is PIS, for evrey feats you bring about tanking hits from high tiers we can find dozens of mroe to prove that they can easily be hurt by much weaker attacks

I should have made it more clear. I didn’t mean he literally was near the Sun but still he was outside of Earth and it took him many many many seconds to return in full power and we wouldn’t how it would have looked like on Earth. Clark probably wouldn’t have survived. Also, given that Doomsday, absorbed most of the energy resulting from the Nuke, we don’t know how much damage was done on Superman. And the scene was pretty much a time skip.

Wrong, Doomsday absorbing energy is irrelevant, Clark was turned into a skeleton which is all it matters, solar energy on that height is not higher than on earth by any meaningful amount so it means nothing , and saying he would not survive is nothing more than your headcanon so he heals on day as well which proves he can heal from that Carnage attack

Also, please explain how is his healing factor gonna work when what Carnage does is not simply roasting him with radiation but turning him into another carnage with his power by just wrapping him up. You have to prove how he is gonna do that. Lol, no he is not too fast. People who have Super speed and super reaction as well failed to dodge it. Given that Superman needs to fight him straight on in this battle, how is he going to dodge something he needs to touch and how is he going to know that it is dangerous? Carnage can easily grab him and tear him to million pieces if he wants, provided that he was powerful enough to restrain Ben Grimm. He would eventually tag him just like how even the likes of Death Stroke could Tag him in the comic. Carnage is gonna do the same.

his healing factor can prevent that infection like it stops a virus from spreading, using your logic Carnage can do that to Galactus, Odin or Post Crisis Superman, i mean that is becoming NLF

The wrong agian, Clark would dodge his hit and one-shot him , he can dodge his attack and one-shot him , also he has done nothing to prove he can rip Clark apart and him tagging chracters with super speed means nothing, Clark is much faster than them

So Clark dodges him and one-shots

He dragged from the Earth to space in high speed. How much tension do you think Carnage had to endure? And why did Sentry think of taking him to space? He saw Carnage as a threat that needed to be killed in the most secure of way, meaning in this battle Clark wouldn’t beat him. He was ripped in half and left there and survived.

First no, that tension means nothing compared to Clark hits and Sentry never saw him as a threat , lol at Sentry viewing Carnage as a threat, i dont care why he did it maybe to stop him from healing and returning but that does not help him here

How is he gonna knock someone who laughed off after having his symbiote taken off his body while being half dead? He can’t be knocked out. Blowing his head up didn’t even slow him down so...

He was knocked out for half-minute by exsplsopn, he can be knocked out and Clark is strong enaguh to do it, to blow him to pices and incapacitate him and then one shot him with HV

Given that every symbiote has tanked things far worse than that? Given that Grindel the same dragon that bounded with Carnage was flying across the universe to carry Knull’s armies to every civilization? Given that the last time, even the like of Venom, had interaction with fire and heat and things considered to be Symbiote’s weakness, almost nothing happened to them? Given that Zod’s heat vision before he died was incapable of penetrating concrete?

Agian complete nonsense and lowballing

Tanking fire means nothing , that is fodder to , HV is milions of tiems more powerful, Zod HV has instatly and easily cut thick concrete like paper and can cut 4 skyscrapers in seconds so no it can easily destroy concrete if Zod wants and this is Clark, not Zod, so Clark one-shots with HV that is Carnage weakness

Carnage is weaker to heat than Venom

What happened what that he melted down the iron rods so the buildings can collapse. That was not impressive enough to kill Carnage in this scenario. That is his consistent power level

He instatly cut skyscrapers in half so it collapsed, he did not melt anything

His intention was to depress Clark with the feeling of failure to protect the population of Earth he loved so much. How was he incapable of doing so just because his held was being held and he was “so” consistent with his heat vision?

He wanted to kill family but he did not need full power HV to do it and he has feats of effortlesly and instantly cuting skyscrapers apart to prove that

Clark Can’t one shot with heat vision because the damage shown is nothing close to what the symbiotes have tanked. Million of symbiotes have tanked lighting from Thor during the Viking ages and survived and you think Clark’s heat vision is gonna do any damage to Carange, who is apparently God level according to other symbiotes? Mind you, that lighting bolt was powerful enough that even Knüll considered it the hardest thing he has been hit by since his colonization and he was billion of galaxies away from his children who have been hit by Thor. Not only did it hurt Knull, it also severed the connection between him and another symbiote, given them independence, not death. If they managed to tank that then Clark is not gonna do damage to Carnage. What mountain?

The wrong agian, Carnage is weaker to heat than venom and any of them tanking Thor lightning is PIS, i can find you many more examples where they are knocked out and nearly killed by hose level energy attacks

So Clark one-shots with HV

If you were referring to the Kryptonian ship, wasn’t it destroyed by the help of human scientists who caused inter explosion?

No, that was another ship in the phantom zone, Clark one shoted other ship with his HV

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@eredin12: @eredin12: By how many margin? They had to team up just to fight him alone and though they did they still couldn’t beat him because he was both physically and mentally torturing them. You just can’t accept it. There are just a few instances where he literally shows his capability to destroy planet or even something smaller. The fighting between him and Annihilus taking place in a building barely even did any damage to the environment but it didn’t negate the fact that people star level and beyond are shit to him. This is the same way Carnage should be represented in the battle.

That is certainly not, seeing as Clark struggled beat Batman. People can play tricks though they aren’t strong. And no, I am not saying it should be on Clark’s league.

Lmao, so surviving the destruction of Ego the living planet should be just mountain level.

Thing is that you have no other way to disregard their power levels other than downplaying.

Captain America.

Nope, according to DC, it is cannon. We have seen the events taking place in Myx’s history in Rebirth. He doesn’t care about Clark but himself because every he likes is to play and to see people die and return, which is exactly what Carange does love. They both are trouble makers and they want to see everything burn and that is it. I have already explained that Carnage can’t atomize them or warp them out of reality but he can just tear them to pieces, just like how Thanos could have just blown many planets up instead of hunting the people on them down.

Being knocked up isn’t a thing. You can be knocked, beaten down and sliced. But what really mattered was that the attack Carnage hit him with recently was the hardest thing he has ever been hit by, proving that everything done to him prior to that was less than Carnage’s attack and that was the thing. Again, Hulk saw him as a threat and had an aim to get rid of him so him holding back enough not to stop him was wrong. If you wanna use low ends then what about Venom beating Juggernaut?

This proves he lacks some knowledge.

Which means they either aren’t much weaker and just your assertion that they were weaker as usual or there are contexts behind it. The thing is, we have to go by consistency, meaning it is in the middle.

Lol, head cannon is literally coming out of your own mouth. Yes it does matter because it meant that some energy was being held back and absorbed into Doomsday instead of coming out at Superman entirely. Beside that, we didn’t see what happened after it exploded until the scene turned back again. If he were exposed to the full force of it, the result could have been different. How do you prove he was gonna last in the form of Skeleton? Don’t you know that Atmosphere is something that keeps us same from cosmic ray coming from the Sun? This proved that Clark was in the area where sunlight can hit him more than it could have had on Earth. Again, how does healing factor prevent infection? This kind of infection is not some type of damage done to your body but rather like some sorts of tentacles infiltrating your system. It is different and it doesn’t work out in this case. Wolverine has healing factor as well and it didn’t stop Carnage tentacles from converting him.

Assertion again..... Can you prove to me that Clark’s so called regeneration could prevent virus from spreading into the body? It works different, if you wish to learn. Regeneration and immunity. White blood cells that fight off bacterias are of the immune system which prevent disease from entering the body and it doesn’t have any impact on regeneration. The thing that cover your wound is platelets. Stop trying to lie. I am not using NLF but logical explanation. NLF is when people make claims that a character with one unique ability can affect another people who might be of the whole other league with the same ability, which is not the case in this discussion. It worked on Ben Grimm who is basically >>>>>>>>>> DCEU.

You have not provided me with any sensible explanation on how Superman is gonna dodge anything he has to hit. Superman is not gonna go intangible even though he doesn’t want to engage in combat with Carnage directly. Again, people like Spider-Man and Wolverine had been in fights with light speeders before meaning Carnage in this case would have no problem tagging Superman. And Superman can’t one shot him. You meant he doesn’t have any feats of tearing apart anybody on Superman level? Oh yes, he does. Him making Ben Grimm struggle already pieces that Superman can be sliced to nothing.

Huh? So being taken to space in Sentry’s speed means nothing? The best Clark can offer is nothing compared to Sentry shipping him to space in seconds. Lol, you are denying solid evidence. Sentry can just kill him there or punch him to death or even burn him to death if he wished on Earth, like he did to Ares. The reason behind that only indicated he saw him as a threat and knew he was gonna heal but it was unsuccessful because Symbiotes are capable of living in space. Your carelessness proved nothing.

Tell that to current Carnage who was a dead body laughing on the floor. Tell me how he is gonna knock that out, lol. Also, it was “if” he is going to be able to achieve it which we all know that the answer is no. One shot with heat vision? Wow, so Thor’s lighting bolt which affected every symbiote and Null probably was weaker than Clark’s heat vision. So Grendel could have been killed if he faced Superman during his era. Yeah, I would like to buy that.

It is lowball now if I want to point out some anti-feats in the characters you are defending while it has to be consistent and identical to certain character’s capability when the damage you see is environmental.

Fire in the head of dead Celestial, whose kind was shown bringing lives to the universe in the same book? Prove that HV is million times hotter than that. I like how you used Zod’s feat to high ball Clark and then disregarded him when I tried to make comparisons. Yeah, you might be right. He literally wanted to kill those people to depress Clark and was unsuccessful so how is that consistent? Where do you get the idea that heat is Carnage’s weakness? He has never been seen to have such problem after bonding with Grendel. Clark doesn’t one shot and he would instantly get killed by Carnage in this battle.

Nice assertion. They all belong to the same kind and it was stated since I was one that the offsprings of every symbiote is gonna be stronger than parents. So...

Really? When you cut the building you probably don’t use heat to melt down its fabric. Oh wait, he did melt them as well so it collapsed.

I never denied that but why did he not instantly kill them when he could have had if he was so “consistent”? Again, his intention was to prove that Clark was failing and he could have done it.

“PIS” “PIS” “PIS” Is everything you can say basically. You can’t find a single example on how symbiotes on the same level as Carnage and Venom being killed by heat, especially when it comes to current Carnage. Clark doesn’t one shot and gets killed. Thor’s feat certainly wasn’t PIS because it was the beginning of the symbiote kind. You have to debunk the entire existence of Symbiote if you are gonna regard it as PIS.

Which ship?

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By how many margin? They had to team up just to fight him alone and though they did they still couldn’t beat him because he was both physically and mentally torturing them. You just can’t accept it. There are just a few instances where he literally shows his capability to destroy planet or even something smaller. The fighting between him and Annihilus taking place in a building barely even did any damage to the environment but it didn’t negate the fact that people star level and beyond are shit to him. This is the same way Carnage should be represented in the battle.

Who? We are talking about Carnage, not thanos, Carnage is superior to them but they can still tank his hits, he is superior but it is not by some extremly large amount

That is certainly not, seeing as Clark struggled beat Batman. People can play tricks though they aren’t strong. And no, I am not saying it should be on Clark’s league.

Clark never struggled to beat Batman, batman had prep and used kryptonite, and Clark never wanted to hurt him in the first place so he was extremly holding back, he even said if i wanted you would be dead already

Lmao, so surviving the destruction of Ego the living planet should be just mountain level.

When did Ben survive that? and him tanking planet destruction is not consistent, And i am talking about his strength feats

Thing is that you have no other way to disregard their power levels other than downplaying.

That is not downplaying, that is fact, they are not on that level

Nope, according to DC, it is cannon. We have seen the events taking place in Myx’s history in Rebirth. He doesn’t care about Clark but himself because every he likes is to play and to see people die and return, which is exactly what Carange does love. They both are trouble makers and they want to see everything burn and that is it. I have already explained that Carnage can’t atomize them or warp them out of reality but he can just tear them to pieces, just like how Thanos could have just blown many planets up instead of hunting the people on them down.

No WF is non-canon to DC, writer of the story has said as well, but i dont care does mxy care for Clark or not, Their relationship is completly difrnet than that of Clark and Carnage, Mxy is bored prankster and Carnage is not trouble maker but Psychopathic murderer, and like i said Carnage can tear them apart with his weapons but that does not mean he is any stronger than what i said, Clark can do that with ease as well

Being knocked up isn’t a thing. You can be knocked, beaten down and sliced. But what really mattered was that the attack Carnage hit him with recently was the hardest thing he has ever been hit by, proving that everything done to him prior to that was less than Carnage’s attack and that was the thing. Again, Hulk saw him as a threat and had an aim to get rid of him so him holding back enough not to stop him was wrong. If you wanna use low ends then what about Venom beating Juggernaut?

Venom was not knocked out by this attack so it is weaker than this exsplosion, Venom saying that is irrelevant, it maybe feels strongest but it is not stronger, you dont feel strong attacks, they kill you instatly or knock you out

Hulk was never viewing him as a threat and was holding back, sure he was using enaguh force to easily harm him but was not using even fraction of his full power

And i am not using his low-end feats, i am using his consistent feats, he is on that level, Juggernaut is jobber and how did Venom beat him?

And no consistent feats are not in middle if chracter like Venom is consistently on level of smashing walls, and street and then he gets city level feats, that does not mean he is city block level, it means those feats are inconsistent and he is still where he was

Lol, head cannon is literally coming out of your own mouth. Yes it does matter because it meant that some energy was being held back and absorbed into Doomsday instead of coming out at Superman entirely. Beside that, we didn’t see what happened after it exploded until the scene turned back again. If he were exposed to the full force of it, the result could have been different. How do you prove he was gonna last in the form of Skeleton? Don’t you know that Atmosphere is something that keeps us same from cosmic ray coming from the Sun? This proved that Clark was in the area where sunlight can hit him more than it could have had on Earth. Again, how does healing factor prevent infection? This kind of infection is not some type of damage done to your body but rather like some sorts of tentacles infiltrating your system. It is different and it doesn’t work out in this case. Wolverine has healing factor as well and it didn’t stop Carnage tentacles from converting him.

There is no headcanon here

He was hit at point-blank range by a nuke, he was just as much expsoed as doomsday,blast is so large that doomsday does not matter here, so he and doomsday were hit with the full force of a nuke, he was exposed to full force, we have seen nuke explode and they were hit at point-blank range with full force

Sunlight on that height is not larger than on earth by any meaningful amount so its does not matter, at most on earth proces would be one-hundredth of the second slower and like i said Healing factor stops infections, i mean can he use that agisnt Odin or Galactus? Why not?

Besides, he won't tag Clark

Assertion again..... Can you prove to me that Clark’s so called regeneration could prevent virus from spreading into the body? It works different, if you wish to learn. Regeneration and immunity. White blood cells that fight off bacterias are of the immune system which prevent disease from entering the body and it doesn’t have any impact on regeneration. The thing that cover your wound is platelets. Stop trying to lie. I am not using NLF but logical explanation. NLF is when people make claims that a character with one unique ability can affect another people who might be of the whole other league with the same ability, which is not the case in this discussion. It worked on Ben Grimm who is basically >>>>>>>>>> DCEU.

Regeneration stops infections and diseases, if it is on a high level, like with Deadpool and his cancer, for example, or Wolverine and adamantium poisoning, so Clark having that could prevent it

You have not provided me with any sensible explanation on how Superman is gonna dodge anything he has to hit. Superman is not gonna go intangible even though he doesn’t want to engage in combat with Carnage directly. Again, people like Spider-Man and Wolverine had been in fights with light speeders before meaning Carnage in this case would have no problem tagging Superman. And Superman can’t one shot him. You meant he doesn’t have any feats of tearing apart anybody on Superman level? Oh yes, he does. Him making Ben Grimm struggle already pieces that Superman can be sliced to nothing.

Agian nonsense, not everything that hits carnage is instantly infected, do you want me to show how much tiems he was hit without any effect, he does not use infection in mayority of his fights and Clark would dodge him and one shot

LMAO At spiderman fighting light speedsters, he is freaking street leveler, Peter is barley supersonic, him fighting anyone that fast is PIS

Using that logic you could just use batman fighting Reverse Flash and argue he is FTL

Peter is snail compared to Clark and so is carnage

Him making Ben Brim struggle means nothing really, he infected him and he never tore him apart

Huh? So being taken to space in Sentry’s speed means nothing? The best Clark can offer is nothing compared to Sentry shipping him to space in seconds. Lol, you are denying solid evidence. Sentry can just kill him there or punch him to death or even burn him to death if he wished on Earth, like he did to Ares. The reason behind that only indicated he saw him as a threat and knew he was gonna heal but it was unsuccessful because Symbiotes are capable of living in space. Your carelessness proved nothing.

The wrong agian, Clark and Zod did same reach space in seconds, that is nothing compared to Clark punches and is not similar to punches so that means nothing

The reason, why Sentry did not do that on earth, is because he can regenrate from that given time

Tell that to current Carnage who was a dead body laughing on the floor. Tell me how he is gonna knock that out, lol. Also, it was “if” he is going to be able to achieve it which we all know that the answer is no. One shot with heat vision? Wow, so Thor’s lighting bolt which affected every symbiote and Null probably was weaker than Clark’s heat vision. So Grendel could have been killed if he faced Superman during his era. Yeah, I would like to buy that.

First carnage is weaker to heat than Venom and other syommiates so that does not help, any of them tanking Thor lightning that can destroy the surface of planets is PIS, they have been harmed by much weaker attacks many times

So, Clark can one-shot him like explosions did with a punch of HV

It is lowball now if I want to point out some anti-feats in the characters you are defending while it has to be consistent and identical to certain character’s capability when the damage you see is environmental.

Yes becase you are wobbling, Zod and other Kryptonians can control the power of their HV so that is not an anti feat

Fire in the head of dead Celestial, whose kind was shown bringing lives to the universe in the same book? Prove that HV is million times hotter than that. I like how you used Zod’s feat to high ball Clark and then disregarded him when I tried to make comparisons. Yeah, you might be right. He literally wanted to kill those people to depress Clark and was unsuccessful so how is that consistent? Where do you get the idea that heat is Carnage’s weakness? He has never been seen to have such problem after bonding with Grendel. Clark doesn’t one shot and he would instantly get killed by Carnage in this battle.

Wrong agian

That is completly unquantifiable, fire is nothing compared to Clark HV, Zod wanted to kill people yes but not to destroy bulding. He needs a much lower temperature to kill people, and he wanted them to suffer and not instatly vaporize them

He said that himslef

I never disregarded Zod or high balled Clark, they were comparable in MOS, but Clark has grown much more powerful in later moves and Zod HV proved that it can destroy many skyscrapers in seconds when he wanted to like paper like i proved

Really? When you cut the building you probably don’t use heat to melt down its fabric. Oh wait, he did melt them as well so it collapsed.

Lowballing agian, he cuted bulding, sure it collapsed after he cut it like a tree does but he cut it in half like paper with his HV, that is my point

He does not struggle with concrete, he instantly cuts entire skyscraper in half

He did not cut it with an axe for god's sake, he used his HV like a lightsaber to cut it in half

I never denied that but why did he not instantly kill them when he could have had if he was so “consistent”? Again, his intention was to prove that Clark was failing and he could have done it.

He probably wanted them to suffer, he said "I will make them suffer", he siad that, not me, vaporizing somone instantly is painless death, there is no suffering here and he wanted to make Clark watch as they suffer

“PIS” “PIS” “PIS” Is everything you can say basically. You can’t find a single example on how symbiotes on the same level as Carnage and Venom being killed by heat, especially when it comes to current Carnage. Clark doesn’t one shot and gets killed. Thor’s feat certainly wasn’t PIS because it was the beginning of the symbiote kind. You have to debunk the entire existence of Symbiote if you are gonna regard it as PIS.

Like i said Carnage is weaker to heat than venom so that does not matter and the heat was always their weakness. Clark HV is more than enaguh to one-shot them like i siad explosions much smaller nearly killed venom

Which ship?

The Kryptonian ship he destoryed with HV

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#113 Posted by X_SuperKal-El_X (56 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman.

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#114 Posted by Chad_Duby (6047 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: @eredin12:

Again, you are denying obvious proof. Peter had to team up with Venom and every time they did they weren’t effective at doing anything against Carnage, just like how Thanos trashed Heroes who supposedly were his main rivals. Even Adam Warlock, apart from his Lt incarnation, is normally treated like shit by Thanos though he has some of his respects.

His plan was to go against Clark straight on before activating his kryptonite weapons. And yes, he was holding back so I didn’t say he had to be on the same level as Clark at that time but it was still a struggle.

When he was inside Ego after Ego was being sent to the Sun by Galactus’s engine in classic Fantastic four. Ego was destroyed and Ben suddenly escaped. If you want to see some strength feats, he recently koed Immortal Hulk though he had to exert himself.

What proves they are not on that level? You? No, their feats and as we all see, people whom I have talked about were engaged in combats with high tiers and have fared will against them though they didn’t win. That proved they were more powerful than you thought.

So opinion of writer who was employed to writer the story is now more important than DC themselves who own the story and has actually provided an opportunity for the writer in the case to write it in the first place? It is cannon, based on how it was featured in rebirth of DC. His relationship with Clark is a psychotic relationship where he loves to see Clark suffers from seeing the universe crumbles which is the same way Carnage would treat Spider man like. Oh, so being able to tear them apart with his tentacles means he is not that superior to them? Good to know.

This is your assertion again. Imagine, what is more painful between your limbs getting torn apart which probably wouldn’t completely ko you and being punched in the first by a professional boxer. Obviously it is not the latter so what Eddie said made sense and it was to imply that this Carnage is more powerful than he ever was. Anything coming from you is literally your assumption which has no relevance to the comic. “Oh he MIgnttttthh not fEEl ITttt because he is koed.” Yeah, you can point out that all you want. The point is, he was almost dead after being beaten by a God Carnage recently to the point where he was becoming disabled and Symbiote venom had to shut him down to cure his damage, other wise he would have been dead.

Said you? Hulk clearly viewed Venom as a threat and intended to fight him head on. It was your assertion that Hulk was holding back because it was stated no where in the comic that Hulk was specially holding back against Eddie in the story. Again, that is something you needed prove which you have not and you turned back to your assertion, claiming it was PIS just to benefit your claim, your lie.

Stop making me laugh by claiming that Characters Symbiotes have defeated are jobbers because that is not how it works. Juggernaut was not a jobber and he was a legitimate villain like many other characters back then and still now. Eddie defeated him by simplying beating him down with his fists and legs. Yes, you are using low ends while ignoring the non-high ends but average provided by me and shown in the comics themselves. What you are asserting Venom to be is to be a street leveler without feats above that caliber though he has been continuously shown in the books to be waaaay above that.

Yes, its meaning is to be in the middle, that is how mathematics work and you can’t deny it. Also, what makes you think that Venom’s consistent feat doesn’t extent further than smashing walls when he normally fights people who can do more than that, and just because he normally doesn’t cause collateral damage while fighting either fodders or worthy foes, does that mean he has to be on street tiers? Complete non sense. The symbiotes are enemies of the fantastic four and they have been fighting each other for years, proving they are not street classers. Street classers are bull eyes, Hawkeye and these people. Carnage is a complete mid tier.

There is and you are making the same claim to justify it.

Again, we didn’t really see what happened. After the scene was switched back we saw that Doomsday has absorbed most of the energy of the nuke, leaving the amount that was capable of lighting up the sky for a while and at the same time Clark was a crispy corpse on the space. That is how it works. If doomsday hadn’t absorbed the radiation, Clark might have been dead so it is your assertion.

Now you are ignoring scientific research, on both the grounds of biology and astronomy that I can call out your bullshit. The atmosphere exists so Lives on Earth wouldn’t be harmed by extreme cosmic ray meaning being outside is a big deal because Clark had been entirely exposed to the sun unlike lives on Earth. Without our atmosphere, our planet would have been even worse on the Moon which had thin atmosphere. Even then, Astronauts had to cover themselves with protection, saving them from radiation. At which point did you prove regeneration fights infection? No, it has nothing to do with fighting diseases because what does is immune system. You dismissed.

Of course he can, he is gonna tag Clark all he likes just like how he tagged high tiers who are much faster than Clark, and Clark couldn’t really ignore physical engagement with Carnage because he has to hit him. He can’t use it on Odin and Galactus because they are far above his level unlike Ben Grimm who was both more powerful than the entire DCEU and affected by it.

Bullshit again. Regeneration doesn’t prevent disease or infection and what really does is the immune system, as I have said earlier. You just mentioned the examples that debunked your nonsensical case which were our actors here, Deadpool and Wolverine. First off, Deadpool doesn’t have anything to prevent infection from happening as it is widely known(maybe not to you) that he has been infected with cancer and though having the most op regeneration in all of Marcel couldn’t cure it. It works differently, lol. That is why his face looks worse than my arse, because of his cancer that he has in his blood and it sure does have effect on his body other than physical look which is the disability in mentality. Also, Wolverine, the same person who you listed, was one of those being consumed by Carnage. So stop randomly including your biased opinions in debate otherwise it would just look ugly. Now you are willing to compare Clark’s regeneration which depends on how much he is exposed to the sun with Deadpool’ and Wolverine’s? Regardless of Wolverine, Deadpool has regenerated from being turned into a pool of Blood. Has Clark from DCEU done that before?

Before bullshiting even further, you have to prove how Clark is gonna one shot someone who has faced people billion times stronger than him and survived after taking their attacks. Not using it doesn’t mean he can’t, lol. During Carnage USA, it was proven that he was capable of doing so without effort. That is like saying Superman from comic is incapable of froze breeze because he rarely relies on it, unlike his other power, the heat vision and his other powers as well.

Spewing lies as usual, everything coming out from your mouth in regards of impressive feats from characters you are against have to be either PIS or outlier, disregarding what he has been consistently doing against higher tier every time he fights them. Peter has dodged light speed attack multiple times and even managed to surprise Thanos in some instances. Do you really think he should be on the level you, someone who has nothing to do with Marvel, believe he should be though he has many many many replications to disprove your downplay?

I wouldn’t argue he is ftl but that he is skilled enough to concentrate fighting against hier tier in DC. Both Batman and Deathstroke have shown to us their capabilities even against high tiers in their own verse and that is for you to accept not to say “uuuuh, that is not consistent so it should be disregarded.” Yes, human level being can track ftl entities in Comics because it is comics.

Pure assertion as usual while completely ignoring proof.

Why does it mean nothing? The fact that it restrained people like Ben Grimm who could one shot the DCEU verse just by stomping his feet over them alone means that he is capable of physically wrestling with an actual power house which would mean he is not going to have problem with DCEU Clark.

Lol, how is it not comparable? We literally saw how they punched each other in space and how they wrestled around. What you brought is completely irrelevant. Beside that, most of their space scenes are skipped unlike that of Carnage and Sentry where Sentry literally grabbed him to space and tore him apart. Yes, it means a lot. It means that Carnage is by that feat alone on the same level of both Zod and Clark physically, considering what they did was replicated by him as well.

Which proved that he saw Carnage as a threat so he wanted to leave him in space for him to die but he failed which was why Carnage came back and literally didn’t seem to have problems with it other than having only a top part of his body.

Hahahahahahahahaha, PIS Pis Pis Pis Pis. You can pull out just one excuses. Beside that you have not proven to me how Carnage is weaker to heat than Venom though he was supposed to be better than Venom in every way possible because it is the nature of symbiotes. Now, onto your relentless claim. It is not PIS, it is fact and it is how all things stated for the Klynthar. That was how everything came into existence. Symbiotes are not just aliens but representatives of space itself brought into existence by God of darkness Knull. The first of their kind endured being forged into a sword inside the brain of dead Celestial, proving that fire only works on most of them mentally only. Every single symbiote in the universe was hit across galaxies by Thor’s lighting and they still survived and broke free from their God. It is the initial cause of their existence itself that you are trying to debunk. Bombs like what? List me an example of instances where Bombs killed symbiotes because compared to the time they have tanked, it is laughable. Yes, I am not going against the fact that many symbiote hosts have been knocked out by bombs, but that is just completely irrelevant considering it never crippled the symbiote itself and probably didn’t severely damage the hosts. A few second later, the symbiotes came back to bound with them and that has always been the case. Yeah, Clark is gonna one shot someone physically stronger than him and has infectious tentacles with punch. The same Clark is going to kill someone whose weaker pre successor(Venom) survived Ghost Rider’s hell fire with heat vision. This entertains me a lot.

Give me one sensible answer towards my question why Zod needed to control his heat vision not to be too destructive during the last battle with Clark though he was trying to kill those people just to depress Clark, other wise it is an anti feat.

Right again.

You don’t know shit about the fire inside Celestial’s head. It is different thing and not the same as fire on candles you see glowing in modern civilization but the light that brought physical matters into the universe. They also tanked hell fire. Lol, what proved he didn’t want to destroy the building though he knew it would have became much more effective when it came to massacre? No, he didn’t want any of them to suffer. Who he wanted to torture mentally was Clark because of they had been killed, Clark would have been guilty of being in capable of saving them as the savior of planet Earth. Killing those people would make Clark suffer, whether it was quick or slow. If he was going to torture anyone it would have been Clark.

I suggest you watch the scene again. Zod: “If you love these people so much, you can mourn for them.” Clark: “Don’t do this.” “No.” “Stop”. Zod: “Never”.

Where did you see, “I am going to make it painful and slow so you can watch them die in pain!!!” ? Sorry, it was never there.

You did and he didn’t grow much stronger. In fact, he should have been weaker considering he was dead for a long while. Yes I saw it and it was inconsistent with what he did before Clark snapped his neck. Now, how are you going to explain that?

He did because he also melted the metal part as well, as seen in the scan you showed me. Beside that, I never attempted to debunk it but was just pointing out some inconsistency which you didn’t seem to understand.

Yeah, it sounded as if he wanted them in pain instead of dead.

“If you love these people so much, you can mourn for them.”

“Never.”

Hmm... That was everything he said before Clark snapped his neck and it was everything since he had been thrown inside the building before he saw those people.

Like your claims above which have never been proven, you are still claiming the exact same bullshit. As opposed to that behavior, unlike you, I brought the actual statement claiming that for symbiotes offsprings should be stronger than parents. And how is Carnage still weaker to heat than venom though he was bonded with primordial symbiote, the Grendel, making him God? Sure explosions have koed symbiotes users before but have never actually killed the symbiotes and in the end they all came to rebound with their former hosts.

So which one? I saw lots of them.

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Lol, I guess Thanos is wall level because because during most of his fight, whether against high tier cosmic entity or even mortal level characters, the collateral damage left behind is nowhere near the capability of characters he has to fight.

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#116 Edited by Eredin12 (1122 posts) - - Show Bio

@chad_duby:

Again, you are denying obvious proof. Peter had to team up with Venom and every time they did they weren’t effective at doing anything against Carnage, just like how Thanos trashed Heroes who supposedly were his main rivals. Even Adam Warlock, apart from his Lt incarnation, is normally treated like shit by Thanos though he has some of his respects.

Like i siad he can beat them easily yes but peter can tank his attacks and so can venom, these are chracters that get one shoted by house level explosion, he is not a powerhouse

His plan was to go against Clark straight on before activating his kryptonite weapons. And yes, he was holding back so I didn’t say he had to be on the same level as Clark at that time but it was still a struggle.

What are you talking about now?

Clark and Zod were near equals in MOS, but after MOS, in BVS and JL Clark become much more powerful

When he was inside Ego after Ego was being sent to the Sun by Galactus’s engine in classic Fantastic four. Ego was destroyed and Ben suddenly escaped. If you want to see some strength feats, he recently koed Immortal Hulk though he had to exert himself.

So some comic from a half-century ago, as i thought

You need to show proof that he was on the planet when it was destroyed and Ego is much smaller than normal planets like earth

What proves they are not on that level? You? No, their feats and as we all see, people whom I have talked about were engaged in combats with high tiers and have fared will against them though they didn’t win. That proved they were more powerful than you thought.

No, fighting high tiers means nothing, Spiderman has done same, is he high tier now? PIS happends many times in comics, comics are inconsistent as hell, Carnage and Venom are not that levels, they are low mid-tiers and nothing more

So opinion of writer who was employed to writer the story is now more important than DC themselves who own the story and has actually provided an opportunity for the writer in the case to write it in the first place? It is cannon, based on how it was featured in rebirth of DC. His relationship with Clark is a psychotic relationship where he loves to see Clark suffers from seeing the universe crumbles which is the same way Carnage would treat Spider man like. Oh, so being able to tear them apart with his tentacles means he is not that superior to them? Good to know.

I never siad he is not superior to them, he is, i only siad that he is not massively superior, he is not some powerhouse and shows me when it was siad by DC that it is canon and even then i dont care abotu mxy now

MXY and Carnage are nothing similar, MXY does jokes, and has rules, nothing similar with Carnage

This is your assertion again. Imagine, what is more painful between your limbs getting torn apart which probably wouldn’t completely ko you and being punched in the first by a professional boxer. Obviously it is not the latter so what Eddie said made sense and it was to imply that this Carnage is more powerful than he ever was. Anything coming from you is literally your assumption which has no relevance to the comic. “Oh he MIgnttttthh not fEEl ITttt because he is koed.” Yeah, you can point out that all you want. The point is, he was almost dead after being beaten by a God Carnage recently to the point where he was becoming disabled and Symbiote venom had to shut him down to cure his damage, other wise he would have been dead.

No that is not an assertion, that is basic logic, something that knocks you out is more powerful than a just punch that causes you pain, something that kills you instatly is more powerful than just pain

So sure that was most painful hit but not most powerful

That is logic

strong punch vaporizes you instatly, there is no pain there but is much mroe powerful

Said you? Hulk clearly viewed Venomas a threat and intended to fight him head on. It was your assertion that Hulk was holding back because it was stated no where in the comic that Hulk was specially holding back against Eddie in the story. Again, that is something you needed prove which you have not and you turned back to your assertion, claiming it was PIS just to benefit your claim, your lie.

Agian Venom tanking hits from Hulk would be PIS, any logical explanation is that Hulk was holdign back show me when it was said that Hulk was going all out?

So Hulk was holding back

Stop making me laugh by claiming that Characters Symbiotes have defeated are jobbers because that is not how it works. Juggernaut was not a jobber and he was a legitimate villain like many other characters back then and still now. Eddie defeated him by simplying beating him down with his fists and legs. Yes, you are using low ends while ignoring the non-high ends but average provided by me and shown in the comics themselves. What you are asserting Venom to be is to be a street leveler without feats above that caliber though he has been continuously shown in the books to be waaaay above that.

Juggernaut is jober that is a fact and anyone will tell you that Venom even making him feel something is PIS, like how Spiderman beat firelrod, venom is low mid-tier , he is not on that level, that is just PIS like Spiderman hurting Hulk, Thor,...

Yes, its meaning is to be in the middle, that is how mathematics work and you can’t deny it. Also, what makes you think that Venom’s consistent feat doesn’t extent further than smashing walls when he normally fights people who can do more than that, and just because he normally doesn’t cause collateral damage while fighting either fodders or worthy foes, does that mean he has to be on street tiers? Complete non sense. The symbiotes are enemies of the fantastic four and they have been fighting each other for years, proving they are not street classers. Street classers are bull eyes, Hawkeye and these people. Carnage is a complete mid tier.

No, it is not in middle and mathematics has nothing to do with it, if Venom is consistently on wall smashing, and street smashing level, that is not collateral damage, that are his quantifiable feats then having some city-level feats is PIS, his consistent level does not change

Using your stupid logic Spiderman is mountain buster becase he hurt planetary chracters

I never said Carnage is a street lever, he is low mid-tier, but Hwyke is not an only street lever, but Spiderman is also a street lever

Again, we didn’t really see what happened. After the scene was switched back we saw that Doomsday has absorbed most of the energy of the nuke, leaving the amount that was capable of lighting up the sky for a while and at the same time Clark was a crispy corpse on the space. That is how it works. If doomsday hadn’t absorbed the radiation, Clark might have been dead so it is your assertion.

Doomsday did not absorb anything, they were hit at point-blank range, Clark was exposed as much as doomsday, doomsday body, and do you know how large was that blast that lighted sky? it was more than 10 kilomters, that is extremely strong, that is a full sized blast, the only reason it did not damage earth was becase it exploded on great height in the sky

So no Clark survived it while being weakened from kryptonite

That is not an assertion but the fact and that is irrelevant, my point is Clark regenerated from a skeleton

Now you are ignoring scientific research, on both the grounds of biology and astronomy that I can call out your bullshit. The atmosphere exists so Lives on Earth wouldn’t be harmed by extreme cosmic ray meaning being outside is a big deal because Clark had been entirely exposed to the sun unlike lives on Earth. Without our atmosphere, our planet would have been even worse on the Moon which had thin atmosphere. Even then, Astronauts had to cover themselves with protection, saving them from radiation. At which point did you prove regeneration fights infection? No, it has nothing to do with fighting diseases because what does is immune system. You dismissed.

Agian nonsense, they were not that high in the sky, the sound was normal there and solar energy is not larger there by any meaningful amount, so it does not matter, that is the fact

And yes powerful healing factor destroys infections

Of course he can, he is gonna tag Clark all he likes just like how he tagged high tiers who are much faster than Clark, and Clark couldn’t really ignore physical engagement with Carnage because he has to hit him. He can’t use it on Odin and Galactus because they are far above his level unlike Ben Grimm who was both more powerful than the entire DCEU and affected by it.

Wrong, many marvel High tiers are snails in combat, Thor, Hulk,...

So tagging them does not matter, Clark is much faster than him so he cannto tag him and Clark can one-shot him like i said just touching Carnage doe not turn you instatly, he has to choose it and he does not do it in most of his fights

Bullshit again. Regeneration doesn’t prevent disease or infection and what really does is the immune system, as I have said earlier. You just mentioned the examples that debunked your nonsensical case which were our actors here, Deadpool and Wolverine. First off, Deadpool doesn’t have

anything to prevent infection from happening as it is widely known(maybe not to you) that he has been infected with cancer and though having the most op regeneration in all of Marcel couldn’t cure it

. It works differently, lol. That is why his face looks worse than my arse, because of his cancer that he has in his blood and it sure does have effect on his body other than physical look which is the disability in mentality. Also, Wolverine, the same person who you listed, was one of those being consumed by Carnage. So stop randomly including your biased opinions in debate otherwise it would just look ugly. Now you are willing to compare Clark’s regeneration which depends on how much he is exposed to the sun with Deadpool’ and Wolverine’s? Regardless of Wolverine, Deadpool has regenerated from being turned into a pool of Blood. Has Clark from DCEU done that before?

Complete nonsense agian regeneration does cure diseases and the reason, why Deadpool face is like that, is not becae of cancer, nobody's face is like that from cancer, it is becase of experiment done on him, and it cured his cancer and yes Wolverine is immune to most infections

And Logan never did that level of regeneration without outside help so that does not matter

Before bullshiting even further, you have to prove how Clark is gonna one shot someone who has faced people billion times stronger than him and survived after taking their attacks. Not using it doesn’t mean he can’t, lol. During Carnage USA, it was proven that he was capable of doing so without effort. That is like saying Superman from comic is incapable of froze breeze because he rarely relies on it, unlike his other power, the heat vision and his other powers as well.

Wrong, like i siad him fighting high tiers is PIS, by his consistent feats Clark one-shots him with punch and HV

Symbomites are knocked out and nearly die by house level explosion and are hurt by Spiderman hits

Spewing lies as usual, everything coming out from your mouth in regards of impressive feats from characters you are against have to be either PIS or outlier, disregarding what he has been consistently doing against higher tier every time he fights them. Peter has dodged light speed attack multiple times and even managed to surprise Thanos in some instances. Do you really think he should be on the level you, someone who has nothing to do with Marvel, believe he should be though he has many many many replications to disprove your downplay?

You know what? IF you seriously belvie that peter can dodge light speed attacks after they are fired that you are not worth talking about

he is a street lever, freaking street leveler, not a speedster, batman has done same, is he FTL now

Yes i will cal thigns like that PIS becase they are PIS

Peter dodges those things by his Spider senses not his speed so that does not matter, his spider senses warn him before it was fired, they react to person shooting, not attack

I wouldn’t argue he is ftl but that he is skilled enough to concentrate fighting against hier tier in DC. Both Batman and Deathstroke have shown to us their vere and that is for you to accept not to say “uuuuh, that is not consistent so it should be disregarded.” Yes, human level being can track ftl entities in Comics because it is comics.

No they cannot, that is PIS, wake up, batman tracking FTL speed is PIS, he has been blitzed by supersonic chracters milions of times and peter has been blitzed by hypersonic characters as well

Are they now FTL, is Grey Hulk MFTL?

Wake up

Of course, that characters with 70 years of history will have a loot of PIS feats

Why does it mean nothing? The fact that it restrained people like Ben Grimm who could one shot the DCEU verse just by stomping his feet over them alone means that he is capable of physically wrestling with an actual power house which would mean he is not going to have problem with DCEU Clark.

He infected him, so that is why means nothing, and that is striking strength, what is Ben lifting strength? carnage sure as hell is not milion toners, wake up agian, he is 70 toner that can be matched by Venom and Spiderman, Venom is 50 toner, and carnage being milions of times strogner is stupid and false

Lol, how is it not comparable? We literally saw how they punched each other in space and how they wrestled around. What you brought is completely irrelevant. Beside that, most of their space scenes are skipped unlike that of Carnage and Sentry where Sentry literally grabbed him to space and tore him apart. Yes, it means a lot. It means that Carnage is by that feat alone on the same level of both Zod and Clark physically, considering what they did was replicated by him as well.

Wrong , Clark and Zod doing that is nothing compared to their punches, Carnage did not replicate anything, he was caught like piece by trash by sentry and sentry flew in space and tore him apart, he did not tank any attack, he did not tank punch from Sentry, using your stupid logic Lois Lane is on Clark level becase she "tanked " Clark flying with her in space above clouds in seconds

That means nothing

Which proved that he saw Carnage as a threat so he wanted to leave him in space for him to die but he failed which was why Carnage came back and literally didn’t seem to have problems with it other than having only a top part of his body.

No, that only proves he wanted to get rid of him, he could easily kill him on earth but he would regenerate eventually so he killed him in space

That has nothing to do with him being a threat to Sentry

Hahahahahahahahaha, PIS Pis Pis Pis Pis. You can pull out just one excuses. Beside that you have not proven to me how Carnage is weaker to heat than Venom though he was supposed to be better than Venom in every way possible because it is the nature of symbiotes. Now, onto your relentless claim. It is not PIS, it is fact and it is how all things stated for the Klynthar. That was how everything came into existence. Symbiotes are not just aliens but representatives of space itself brought into existence by God of darkness Knull. The first of their kind endured being forged into a sword inside the brain of dead Celestial, proving that fire only works on most of them mentally only. Every single symbiote in the universe was hit across galaxies by Thor’s lighting and they still survived and broke free from their God. It is the initial cause of their existence itself that you are trying to debunk. Bombs like what? List me an example of instances where Bombs killed symbiotes because compared to the time they have tanked, it is laughable. Yes, I am not going against the fact that many symbiote hosts have been knocked out by bombs, but that is just completely irrelevant considering it never crippled the symbiote itself and probably didn’t severely damage the hosts. A few second later, the symbiotes came back to bound with them and that has always been the case. Yeah, Clark is gonna one shot someone physically stronger than him and has infectious tentacles with punch. The same Clark is going to kill someone whose weaker pre successor(Venom) survived Ghost Rider’s hell fire with heat vision. This entertains me a lot.

Yes i will call PIS when it is PIS

You brought few PIS feats and when i say it is PIS, you are crying about it

Man, you believe that Batman is FTL in reaction speed? Are you serious?

Crrange is weaker to heat than Venom , That was established and Venom experts siad that as well

He does not need to crippled the symbiote, he only need to knock it out like house level explosion did for a long time and nearly killed it

So he can do it with ease with his HV

Give me one sensible answer towards my question why Zod needed to control his heat vision not to be too destructive during the last battle with Clark though he was trying to kill those people just to depress Clark, other wise it is an anti feat.

I did, he can completly control his HV like Clark did, and he wanted people to suffer, he said i will make them suffer, instatly vaporizing somone is easy, painless death, there is no suffering there and he wanted to make them suffer like he himslef said and make Clark watch

So him slowly burning them to death would be much worse for Clark than instatly vaporizing them, that would much more depress Clark

You don’t know shit about the fire inside Celestial’s head. It is different thing and not the same as fire on candles you see glowing in modern civilization but the light that brought physical matters into the universe. They also tanked hell fire. Lol, what proved he didn’t want to destroy the building though he knew it would have became much more effective when it came to massacre? No, he didn’t want any of them to suffer. Who he wanted to torture mentally was Clark because of they had been killed, Clark would have been guilty of being in capable of saving them as the savior of planet Earth. Killing those people would make Clark suffer, whether it was quick or slow. If he was going to torture anyone it would have been Clark.

No, that is your headcanon, he siad i will make them suffer, them, not him, he wanted to slowly torture them and that would be much worse for Clark, and he never siad that he wanted to torture clark mentality, only that he wants to make humans suffer

And Show me feats for Celestial fire, creating matter is not heat feat

And when did he tank hellfire? When?

I suggest you watch the scene again. Zod: “If you love these people so much, you can mourn for them.” Clark: “Don’t do this.” “No.” “Stop”. Zod: “Never”.

That is irelvant, he wanted to make them suffer, how does that help?

Where did you see, “I am going to make it painful and slow so you can watch them die in pain!!!” ? Sorry, it was never there

No , he said, i am going to make them suffer Kal, so he himslef siad that he wanted to make humans suffer

He does not need to say it milions of times

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You did and he didn’t grow much stronger. In fact, he should have been weaker considering he was dead for a long while. Yes I saw it and it was inconsistent with what he did before Clark snapped his neck. Now, how are you going to explain that?

What?

BVS Clark is a few years older than MOS Clark so of corse he will be much stronger than MOS Clark and JL clark had same amount energy as BVS Clark, he was dead he did not do anything so he did not waste any energy and he was resurrected and amped by mother box that had planetary level energy

There was no incistntnety here, Zod has proved more than a few times that he can destroy thick skyscrapers like paper in seconds, he was here just using low-level energy to slowly torture them

There was no inconsistency

He did because he also melted the metal part as well, as seen in the scan you showed me. Beside that, I never attempted to debunk it but was just pointing out some inconsistency which you didn’t seem to understand.

There was no inconsistency here, he cut skyscraper in half like paper and it was destoryed, he cut evrey single part of it including metal and concrete, he did it instatly like saber does

So i know that but it is irelvant

“If you love these people so much, you can mourn for them.”

“Never.”

That means nothing, he siad he will never stop, and said that if he loves them so much he can kill him and save them, he never said he will not make them suffer

in fact like i siad he did say i will make them suffer

Hmm... That was everything he said before Clark snapped his neck and it was everything since he had been thrown inside the building before he saw those people.

He said that he will make humans suffer and they are humans so he tried to do that

He does not need to say it milions of times

He never said i will grant them painless death

Like your claims above which have never been proven, you are still claiming the exact same bullshit. As opposed to that behavior, unlike you, I brought the actual statement claiming that for symbiotes offsprings should be stronger than parents. And how is Carnage still weaker to heat than venom though he was bonded with primordial symbiote, the Grendel, making him God? Sure explosions have koed symbiotes users before but have never actually killed the symbiotes and in the end they all came to rebound with their former hosts.

You did not post any feat, agian Clark does not need to kill them just to knock them out and nearly kill them like explosion did and he can do that