Sylar Vs. Jean Grey (Fox)

Sylar (Heroes)

Vs.

Jean Grey(Fox)

Rules:

• Each Character is Composite Universe Feats. Example: Jean Grey has feats from all movies, because it's in the same universe.
• Starting Distance 15 Feet

Who Wins?

Sylar. He kills her, and then steals all her powers.

Jean.

Sylar forgets he has other offensive powers besides TK pretty much every time, and routinely gets his butt kicked by chumps and humans because he can't keep his eye on the ball.

Sylar wins. With the Telekinesis + Electricity he can beat her quite easily.

Jean has shields and her offensive power massively trumps his.

As far as I know, that's comic book Jean Grey. Not Foxverse Jean. Though, I haven't seen X-Men or X2 in awhile so I may be wrong.

No it's Fox's Jean too. She stopped Cyclop's optic blast in X2, shut it down in X3, stopped the river for a period of time in X2, then it was explained in X3 she was able to survive underwater in that river all that time because her body defensively shielded her in a telekinetic coccoon where there was still some air, and finally she stopped a bunch of soldiers from riddling her with cure rounds in the finale of X3.

Bump?

Sylar...

Why is this easy?

Because how did Fox Jean die?

Wolverine could not die, but healed.

Guess what? Sylar can do it exactly like Wolverine did it, he regens fast, and can't really die. + Teleportation + TK + well, just a heck of a lot of powers :)

Composite Jean I'm assuming takes deleted scenes into account. In X-Men 3 in a deleted scene she splits an atom and nearly murders Magnetos army nuclear style. She would obliterate Sylar

Sylar kills her before she can react. Other than that his intangability and healing should let him handle her TK, he has shown the ability to no sell mind control that has made people drop dead and he later became immune to TP that was even stronger, and he has TK, lightning and nuke powers to kill her.

unless Jean comes out trying to bust him into atoms, Slyar will win 7/10

Jean grey

@captain_inverse:

Even if she did, she wouldn't be able to kill him doing that. She runs into the same problem that she had with Wolverine.

@delta16807 said:

1) No version of Sylar has ever acquired teleportation.

2) Sylar has a lot of power, but forgets the majority of them pretty much every single time. Ironically the time Sylar has used his a fair amount of his powers was a one episode future version that no longer exist, and that primarily was for trickery.

3) Jean was holding Phoenix back against Logan in hopes he can kill her. It was why her blasts against him were incredibly small as oppose to what she was doing all around. It's very much similar to the actual Dark Phoenix saga in the comics where Jean managed to get Phoenix under controlled and was holding her back long enough to kill herself with a gun turret.

4) Even if we are to assume Phoenix used full power blast against Logan despite all the evidence suggesting otherwise, you might notice the adamantium in his body stopped any further damage from being done to his body. Something Sylar doesn't have. Heroes regenerators could die from a single gunshot to the head for crying out loud.

Sylar has no superspeed, so the first sentence doesn't even make any sense. Sylar much like many of the characters in Heroes with a few exception does not have any fighting skills and use their powers anywhere from mediocre to horrendously. Case in point Sylar routinely forgetting he has other powers. Another case in point, the version of Sylar that does have intangiblity used this to grab Peter so they can fight, but doesn't use intangibility in the actual proceeding fight, and that's the most power savvy Sylar to date.

When the hell did Sylar no sell mind control that can kill people? Sylar throughout the series was horribly acceptable to getting his mind manipulated. Season 1 Eden prevented him from killing her by mind manipulated him no problem. Immediately after that, Rene (Haitian) quickly KO Sylar with his mind blanking powers. Yes Sylar resisted Eden's 2nd attempt, but there's 2 interpretations for this. First one is that she specified for Sylar to shoot himself after she puts the gun into the slot, and he attacked her before she can do so. Second explanation is that since Sylar remembered what she did to him the first time, it was enough to temporarily resist it since it doesn't take too much to resist Eden seeing as Matt did it unknowingly. Matt was able to convince Sylar he was Nathan for a huge bulk of time, then Sylar got freakin imprisoned in his own mind later into the season that Peter actually had to go in and pull him out. This isn't even considering all the times Sylar gets manipulated because he has no willpower or is naive. Like easily being convinced he's a Petrelli and working for the company or Samuel manipulating him throughout season 4 or those points when the writers will try to rewrite Sylar's original power and try to excuse Sylar's actions as his original power giving him a hunger that he had no willpower to resist, and that is why he killed so much people. Sylar's been mind manipulated more than anyone else in that whole series.

Sylar doesnt have a visible blast to block like cyclops.

Sylar raises his finger, Phoenix makes a snarky comment, then Sylar cuts her head open.

@nerdchore: Phoenix doesn't make snarky remarks she barely talked. She thinks and people die. Sylar will not be an exception. His tk (his go to power) doesn't even approach her 11 year old self. Jean would basically kill everyone from the heroes universe.

Sylar

O how I have waited for this thread!!

Obviously Sylar stomps I mean Jean Grey really has no feats in Fox. When she was phoenix she was a bit of a threat but nothing Sylar won't be able to handle. His healing factor rivals that of the fastest healers from comics so even the wolverine scene from last stand would make her cause less damage. As for those saying she held back, there is NO EVIDENCE to support that, and even if there was we need to take the Fox feats into account and not what we think MIGHT'VE happened.

All in all Sylar stomps hard.

@lordofallhumans: she did make remarks to wovlie and magneto. She looks down upon everyone else. No reason she would even percieve sylar as a threat at first

@tinyford: Wolverines healing factor only saved him because she was holding back. She blasted him and then was giving time to heal. Jean was not attacking anybody or thing the same way, it was straight atom shredding or nothing until she faced Wolverine for the sake of the plot. PIS does not exist in the battles so Jean would be shredding him from the jump. Sylar has a weak spot that he moved, Jean is a telepath. Sylar also is not as durable as Wolverine. He's a normal human with a healing factor when it all comes down to it, Jean koed Logan with a single thought in the mansion. So she doesn't need to atom shred a person that can be rendered unconscious or literally can be torn limb from limb. If wire cutters can remove Claire's toe and glass and wood can "kill" Peter and Claire, Jean's tk can do worse, and as mentioned his hidden weakness won't be hidden from a telepath that dominated a telepath as powerful as Xavier. Her younger self in Apocalypse proves she was holding back against Wolverine. Apocalypse had a healing factor as well and was regenerating until Jean used her full power making regeneration meaningless. Jean stomps, she's more powerful especially when we consider Sylar consistently only uses tk, that doesn't even begin to touch her level of the same power. He also meets no resistance once he pins another hero down to kill them. They all conveniently forget they have power and just sit there. He's not pinning Jean because her tk as an 11 year old was stronger than anything he'd ever done with his. His power stealing is all about the brain, Jean can shut powes down psychically as shown in X2 with Nightcrawler and Cyclops in Last Stand. She didn't merely hold his powers back because we actually see his normal eyes, meaning she turned​ his powers off.

@nerdchore: the few words she said weren't snarky.

It's brain eating time

@rabumalal: mutant powers aren't​ in the brain. Leech and Wolverines first movie proved that, not that he'd ever get a chance to find out.

@lordofallhumans: was a joke, I also think Jean will win. And Sylar would eat her brain regardless.

I dont see how Sylar doesn't get distilled by Jean.

@lordofallhumans: condescending then.

Sorry about not responding sooner, I think I lost this tag amongst two people tagging me repeatedly.

Sylar doesn't have superspeed as a power, but his speed is superhuman. He telekinetically catches bullets on the reg, has caught bullets fired at his back, has tagged Daphne (who can react to and keep up with Hiro, and has reacted to Matt making his mind control face and running away before he could complete the thought), caught a sword swing from Hiro who restarted time mid-swing when Sylar had just killed his mother and fought and reacted faster than Peter, who can tag Daphne without using his own superspeed. Sylar is fast enough to telekinetically kill her before she gets the chance to do the same to him, she has no real durability.

We don't know anything about how that fight went down, so you can't really bash his use of intangibility. Most of his powers are far less useful than TK, which is why he rarely uses others. And really it has more to do with budget constraints.

In the tie-in comic giving Eden's origin she accidentally killed her mother using her voice. It made her heart stop IIRC.

Sylar still resisted the first time, to an extent, though personally I'd say the second time wasn't conditional on the gun going in the slot.

In the future when Sylar had a kid, Peter couldn't enter his mind to learn how to use his own intuitive aptitude, since this is composite Sylar he has that resistance.

The hunger is incredibly hard to resist, Peter is extremely heroic, selfless and has a lot of willpower (like how he is not just willing, but able to sacrifice himself), yet even he was driven to kill a future version of Nathan.

@alphaq:

Wolverine killed Jean also. Sylar has superior healing. Wolverine still ages Sylar does not. Sylar crushes with tk, sound manipulation, electric manipulation, shape shifting, super sonic flight, and empathy. This is a weaker version of Sylar. The future versions are so powerful that he doesn't crave power any more or understanding.

Don't forget the time Sylar willed his way out of the puppet masters hold of him in season 3 when he was trying to get claire to think she was also a monster just like him.

@lordofallhumans: she wasn't holding back against wolverine, she was dark phoenix. Dark phoenix isn't as strong as white phoenix who you speak of in apocalypse.

That said, the apocalypse Jean is irrelevant because this thread is about the Famke Jansenn version as we can see in the OP.

His TK is way beyond jean's. Not beyond White phoenix but above dark phoenix (the version he will be fighting).

Also his power of stealing powers is not all about in the brain, it's about understanding. If he understood how the power works he could duplicate it, that's what he did with the shape shifter and stealing flight from Nathan.

He has a spot he moved yes, but even if she knew where it was there is no guarantee she would be able to hit it, because it was microscopic. That said, he never said he only moved it once otherwise Matt Parkman (a telepath) would've been able to know where it was as well, Sylar was rather constantly moving it without thinking about it as if he was simply breathing (IIRC he said that to Emile Danko).

Yes she can kill Sylar but he can't die if she doesn't hit the spot, also he is immortal so that would look like the boss battle in dr strange until she dies of old age.

The people don't forget they have powers when he is about to kill them, they cannot move because he holds them down with TK. They try to use their powers, but aren't able to.

@sanitrize1999: your Op is incorrect in stating that Jean is the same from the same universe in all movies. After days of futures past it became an alternate timeline in an alternate universe. Otherwise her killing Charles in the last stand won't justify him being in the Logan movie 50 years later

@tinyford: No. After DOFP its a different timeline, not univerise. Charles was still alive because Wolverine changed the past and saved the future, which in turn created a new timeline.

@sanitrize1999: no Charles was the one who sent him back in the first place remember? Yes he changed the timeline but Charles was alive in the start of the film as well

@tinyford: Logan asked how Charles survived and he had replied he transfered his consciousness to another body.

Edit: That was never said ino DOFP but was mentironed through out the other movies.

@sanitrize1999: at the start of the film? When the sentinels attacked?

@tinyford: Actually, I don't remember when it was said.

But in post credits scene in Wolverine Charles had said.

"Hello Logan.

Hownis this possible?

As I told you a long time ago, you're not the only one with gifts."

and in the credits scene of last Stand

this happend. I'm just gonna copy and paste the thing. I'm replying in a hurry.

After the battle at Alcatraz, Moira returns to Muir Island to check on her comatose patient. At the hospital, where the comatose man from the video that Xavier showed his students, is lying in a hospital bed. Moments later, Moira MacTaggart enters the room, says good morning to her patient and proceeds to view the vital signs on the monitor. The man then turns his head and to Moira's surprise, returns the greeting and calls her name in Charles' voice. Dr. Moira looks towards her patient in disbelief and says "Charles", confirming that Charles' consciousness survived his physical death.

@tinyford: Last stand video https://youtu.be/ZSkn3KYwmtc

Wolverine credits scene

https://youtu.be/0ZkfyBAtUk4

In the directors commentary for the X-Men: The Last Stand DVD it is revealed that the man that Charles transferred his consciousness to was really his identical twin brother, whose mind had been destroyed at birth when Charles power's manifested.

@sanitrize1999: sorry please excuse my ignorance then

@tinyford: Actually it's very relevant because the op is about a composite Jean from all movies, which would include Apocalypse Jean, therefore healing factors are meaningless and the sweet spot won't survive body wide telekinetic deconstruction if random pieces of wood and glass can neutralize it regardless of the version of Jean. Last Stand displayed far more raw power and destructive feats than Apocalypse Jean so there is no reason to believe she wasn't holding back when it came to Wolverine, but like I said it doesn't matter because she has her Apocalypse feats in this battle.

Jean stomps.

@lordofallhumans: i'm still not convinced that the apocalypse Jean is the same Jean as the one from last stand, there is nothing that points to this, in Xmen X2 and Last stand phoenix tried to break out. In apocalypse she had perfect control at a young age. I truly do believe this is an alternate universe jean grey, but since the OP said the rules are that it's from all movies, I have to give this one to phoenix as well.

That said, Famke's version would lose against Sylar. Famke was dark phoenix, apocalypse version is white phoenix. Sylar can beat dark phoenix, he will lose very bad against white phoenix

@tinyford: doesn't matter if you're convinced. The OP says in this battle she has all Jean movie feats.

That said, Jean Stomps

@lordofallhumans: no need to be smug, the OP is wrong to say all movie feats. That's like saying every King Kong is the same, or every 007 is the same, or every karate kid is the same kid. I can go on.

That said, the OP never said she has Phoenix he just said all Jean Grey feats. If you wanna get smug I can get technical real fast

@tinyford: Technically Phoenix is a Jean Grey feat. Phoenix in the last stand is just Jean's full power plus her insanity. It was throughly explained that it was Jean. You are also the one insisting that we should go by the picture since you're having a problem with the composite. So technically since that's Famke Jean in "Phoenix​" mode you already knew Phoenix feats were included as you were initially arguing the healing factor angle.

Jean stomps.

@lordofallhumans: technically... blah blah.. technically... blah blah... Famke's Jean.... haha

No but seriously dude as I've said if it is the same (as you state) jean will stomp it's obvious. I already surendered and then I got a smug reply and kept replying, but no as I've said since the OP's rules states this Jean stomps.

And don't worry I was mainly pulling your leg in the messages sent after I stepped back the first time.

Cheers

I still think Sylar can win here. Especially if Wolverine can.

That has been debunked in X-men: Apocalypse. Apocalypse had the same healing factor and was wiped out.

Jean also has overwhelming telepathy as well. She used it against an Apocalypse who had moments before stomped the crap out of Xavier in telepathic combat.

Jean stomps. Her tk is far more powerful and Syler doesn't stand a chance against her telepathy.

@storm_calling:

Haven't seen that movie yet. Anyway, it still is scapegoating the fact he can teleport and has insane abilities to hit her with; and his regen is still plenty long enough to last half that time that he did - which is plenty of time to absolutely kill the still fragile human durability Jean (who only really defends herself with tk/tp). Which was my main point in the scenario to begin with; which is the whole reason why it was brought up. None of this debunks that idea.

The new movies are set in a new timeline after Wolverine's time travel in Days of Future Past, but the new Jean does in fact have ALL of the powers that the other Jean had in the previous timeline.

In the original timeline, Jean's powers were permanently blocked until those blocks were removed by Magneto's machine and by Cerebro in X1. At the beginning of X2, we start to see her full powers surface(she starts having nightmares of the future, fiery eyes/aura and massive power). It is revealed in X3 that Xavier blocked her powers as a child, and in a flashback scene we witness Jean demonstrating her full powers to Xavier and Magneto.

So she did in fact have control of her power as a child. It was only because Xavier blocked her power for all those years that she lost control of them as an adult when those blocks were destroyed.

In Days of Future Past, after reading Wolverine's mind, the young Xavier became aware of what happened to Jean in the future and didn't inhibit her powers. She was learning to control them, and after his fight with Apocalypse, Xavier commanded her to unleash her full power to stop him.

Syler doesn't have teleportation IIRC.

Jean can actually forcibly turn off powers. She turned off Cyclops' power and prevented Nightcrawler from teleporting in X2. Twice.

He also doesn't have any defense against her telepathy(something Matt Parkman exploited numerous times in the show). And her telepathy is far more destructive than any telepath he has ever encountered. See Apocalypse above when she completely shattered and crippled his mind. An attack like that wouldn't even leave Syler able to attack back, and she was able to do this while simultaneously disintegrating his body in the real world with telekinesis...

@storm_calling: Mutant powers work differently than Sylers. I don't know if she'd be able to turn off his powers.