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Acnologia and Zeref

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  • Standard versions, Acnologia and Selene start in human form
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not fair to put Zeref & Acno in the same team lol.

Team 2 stomps. Acno > Selene > Zeref >>> Suzaku

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#5  Edited By Dimitri1220

Team 2 should win by a fair margin

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Team 2.

Acnologia >Selene

Suzaku > zeref but immortality carries

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Team 2 stomps

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SBT Acnologia >>> pre-SBT Acnologia > FH Zeref >>> Base Zeref > Selene > Suzaku.

Either Acno or Zeref solos.

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Either way Team 1 wins.

Selene bfrs Zeref cuz he is a pain in the ass. Suzaku and Selene swiftly takes out Acnologia without too much difficulty

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Either acno or zeref solos the overrated crybabies

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When will it be accepted?

100YQ is above OG FT, Selene solos

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#15  Edited By gogito
@lameliarleo said:

When will it be accepted?

100YQ is above OG FT, Selene solos

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Could go either way but yeah if it's pre rot team 1 could pull out a win but wait is this base or FH Zeref?

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#17  Edited By JDogg

Acno solos. Gives Suzaku the Serena treatment and then moves on to Selene who he wins against mid diff. Zeref just sits backs and watches the show.

100YQ is def not stronger than EoS seeing as the BDSK arw only Gild level and Gild was comparable to Serena who is fodder to August/Irene. Then there is the fact that the main character isn't even close to his EoS power as he can barely beat a DG with 50% of their power let alone an enhanced DG with nigh immunity to magic.

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@jdogg said:

Acno solos. Gives Suzaku the Serena treatment and then moves on to Selene who he wins against mid diff. Zeref just sits backs and watches the show.

100YQ is def not stronger than EoS seeing as the BDSK arw only Gild level and Gild was comparable to Serena who is fodder to August/Irene. Then there is the fact that the main character isn't even close to his EoS power as he can barely beat a DG with 50% of their power let alone an enhanced DG with nigh immunity to magic.

why would the DDSK be only Gildarts Level? Plus everyone has gotten stronger through the timeskip, And where did "barely" come from, he was thrashing him around with no difficulty whatsoever, and Acno is weaker then the DGs, couldve just said nigh immune to magic.

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Acno or Zeref solos

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@lameliarleo: Read the latest chap lol. They didn't. Only weaker ones like Lucy did. Erza isn't stronger than EoS neither is Natsu. Laxus only got back is asspull from a year ago. Um no, Natsu was getting his ass handed to until he went DF against Aldo and just then was he only turn the tables and beat him with an all out attack. That was again against a weaken DG and weaken DG < DG =< Acno <<< RoT Acno. Acno is stronger until proven otherwise. There have been no credible statements to place them at a higher level than Base Acno let alone RoT Acno and they have been in trouble from far less than Acno tier due to hax. Same difference.

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@lameliarleo: Read the latest chap lol. They didn't. Only weaker ones like Lucy did. Erza isn't stronger than EoS neither is Natsu. Laxus only got back is asspull from a year ago. Um no, Natsu was getting his ass handed to until he went DF against Aldo and just then was he only turn the tables and beat him with an all out attack. That was again against a weaken DG and weaken DG < DG =< Acno <<< RoT Acno. Acno is stronger until proven otherwise. There have been no credible statements to place them at a higher level than Base Acno let alone RoT Acno and they have been in trouble from far less than Acno tier due to hax. Same difference.

Laxus claims that his "Magic power" is like Gildarts. And when people compliment Magic power it doesn't necessarily correlate to their overall stats power. We know for a fact that Suzaku has far less MP then Human Selene (Literally shoke dimensions by just flexing it and corrupting Elentir, none of this which Suzaku could replicate with his own magic power) and yet still stronger then her. So there could be the possibilty that Suzaku may have Gildarts like Magic power but still be stronger then Human Selene. Same goes got Kirin, when he gets a little serious his MP may replicate the same as Gildarts but that doesn't mean Kirin can't be far stornger then Gildarts. Magic power doesn't determine your overall stats power

Why not, do you believe they did nothing throughout the year timeskip? thats very much unlike team Natsu. Its only sensible everyone trained and got a power up compared to their Alvarez selves, Erza compliments Laxus' Growth after shortly seeing his Base in action which further supports that they grew

I thought you meant Merq sine you mentioned "50%", for Aldo; Base Natsu isnt really anything as several are >> him, And when he went DF he pretty much one shot him, and this DF would be stronger then all previous ones as his DF is shown to constantly grow stronger. DGs Are >= Acno, because of the statements of being "at least as strong" as Acno and that they "Surpassed Him", even fighting 50% Merq was compared to Acno. They are >= if not > Acno. If you scroll up you see that it is pre RoT Acno so this short section is Irrelevant and i myself believe the DGs combined lose against him with the RoT Amp. Also Evaluate these "hax". They shouldnt matter as the main point is that DGs are > Pre RoT Acno in stats. there is also no restriction on Selene BFRing and ending the fight

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When will it be accepted?

100YQ is above OG FT, Selene solos

acnologia literally has magic immunity, u have got to be trolling on selene soloing LMAO

laxus made kirin bleed and like u said, u cant hold back ur durability and kirin>>>>suzaku Cope

prove that selene can bypass zerefs time rewind ill wait

OT: either acno or zeref solos, pretty much everyone here agrees except for u 2 clowns

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SBT Acnologia >>> pre-SBT Acnologia > FH Zeref >>> Base Zeref > Selene > Suzaku.

Either Acno or Zeref solos.

Pretty sure this

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@vex_haid said:
@lameliarleo said:

When will it be accepted?

100YQ is above OG FT, Selene solos

acnologia literally has magic immunity, u have got to be trolling on selene soloing LMAO

laxus made kirin bleed and like u said, u cant hold back ur durability and kirin>>>>suzaku Cope

prove that selene can bypass zerefs time rewind ill wait

OT: either acno or zeref solos, pretty much everyone here agrees except for u 2 clowns

it isnt complete immunity, and BFR isnt restricted here

"making them bleed" does not make you scale to their durability. Kirin is not >>> Suzaku at all from what we have, and even then Kirin seems to be Hax based with his atmosphere magic instead of Stat based like Suzaku

I assumed this was Base Zeref

and i really do not care about other's opinions on this, they are Irrelevant here

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@lameliarleo:how are dgs>pre rot acno in stats...? acno would blitz them easily

zeref can solo this with death waves and time stop

Because they have statements such as "at least as srong" as him and that "they have surpassed" him, there is no reason to believe Acno blitzes

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LOL at gogitos "Selene bfrs Zeref" if he has TS, teleport and bfr.

Also EoS >>>>> 100yq. T2 neggs. Acno gives Suzaku Serena treatment while Zeref gives Selene Aldo treatment.

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@lameliarleo: Base Zeref showed TS, teleport, bfr and transmutation/transformation enchantment. It's pretty enough to one-shot Selene.

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#33  Edited By Dimitri1220

Zeref should logically be able to counter BFR, otherwise Jacob can no diff him. He's also shown teleportation magic multiple times, and this was before he ever got FH. How would he have been able to control the "space" between "time" if he didn't have both space and time magic? He could seal it for as long as he wanted, and then could move it to any location on Earth-land, which clearly shows that he has space magic. Also if we want to use real life logic (which I don't need to support my argument but why not), Neo Eclipse needs both space and time magic to work, otherwise simlly going back 400 years without accounting for space/location would put him in the middle of space because planets are constantly moving at thousands of miles per hour.

Finally, the most obvious evidence is once he got FH, he said he had access to both space and time magic.

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either of team 2 solos.

Selene's bfr is inconvenient, many can eliminate her before the bfr light from the moon reaches them, additionally her reaction to trigger it and the delay.

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@lameliarleo: yes it is complete immunity unless its way above his weight class (llike someone thats solar system level and uses magic for example can obv hurt acno with magic), selene can probably bfr acno but it depends weather her BFR teleports the space/ground around them or just the person (irenes bfr for example) but acno can also eat it

selene said "strongest contender" making kirin indeed stronger then suzaku, and suzakus also a brick meanwhile kirin has hax another thing putting kirin above suzaku

@cocacolaman does zeref have FH or not?

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either of team 2 solos.

Selene's bfr is inconvenient, many can eliminate her before the bfr light from the moon reaches them, additionally her reaction to trigger it and the delay.

selene can BFR without moonlight 05.png (1035×1545) (sorcererweekly.com)

but it doesn't really matter since acno already showed a counter to BFR on screen and zeref has time rewind

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@vex_haid: He does not

oh

dang it then

give him the FH before people start wanking bfr lol

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actually nvm base zerf still has teleportation and needs to counter jacobs magic so he can counter BFR

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Team 2 for now and maybe for a while but even if Team 1 does get more feats eventually. I'd still say that Zeref or Acnologia could mid-diff them both as every chapter that passes the more I think most of all these new Human & Dragon characters are Gildarts level.

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@jdogg said:

@lameliarleo: Read the latest chap lol. They didn't. Only weaker ones like Lucy did. Erza isn't stronger than EoS neither is Natsu. Laxus only got back is asspull from a year ago. Um no, Natsu was getting his ass handed to until he went DF against Aldo and just then was he only turn the tables and beat him with an all out attack. That was again against a weaken DG and weaken DG < DG =< Acno <<< RoT Acno. Acno is stronger until proven otherwise. There have been no credible statements to place them at a higher level than Base Acno let alone RoT Acno and they have been in trouble from far less than Acno tier due to hax. Same difference.

Laxus claims that his "Magic power" is like Gildarts. And when people compliment Magic power it doesn't necessarily correlate to their overall stats power. We know for a fact that Suzaku has far less MP then Human Selene (Literally shoke dimensions by just flexing it and corrupting Elentir, none of this which Suzaku could replicate with his own magic power) and yet still stronger then her. So there could be the possibilty that Suzaku may have Gildarts like Magic power but still be stronger then Human Selene. Same goes got Kirin, when he gets a little serious his MP may replicate the same as Gildarts but that doesn't mean Kirin can't be far stornger then Gildarts. Magic power doesn't determine your overall stats power

Why not, do you believe they did nothing throughout the year timeskip? thats very much unlike team Natsu. Its only sensible everyone trained and got a power up compared to their Alvarez selves, Erza compliments Laxus' Growth after shortly seeing his Base in action which further supports that they grew

I thought you meant Merq sine you mentioned "50%", for Aldo; Base Natsu isnt really anything as several are >> him, And when he went DF he pretty much one shot him, and this DF would be stronger then all previous ones as his DF is shown to constantly grow stronger. DGs Are >= Acno, because of the statements of being "at least as strong" as Acno and that they "Surpassed Him", even fighting 50% Merq was compared to Acno. They are >= if not > Acno. If you scroll up you see that it is pre RoT Acno so this short section is Irrelevant and i myself believe the DGs combined lose against him with the RoT Amp. Also Evaluate these "hax". They shouldnt matter as the main point is that DGs are > Pre RoT Acno in stats. there is also no restriction on Selene BFRing and ending the fight

I'm not sure why some people like you would write an essay this lengthy about a discussion regarding imaginary characters.

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@lameliarleo said:
@jdogg said:

@lameliarleo: Read the latest chap lol. They didn't. Only weaker ones like Lucy did. Erza isn't stronger than EoS neither is Natsu. Laxus only got back is asspull from a year ago. Um no, Natsu was getting his ass handed to until he went DF against Aldo and just then was he only turn the tables and beat him with an all out attack. That was again against a weaken DG and weaken DG < DG =< Acno <<< RoT Acno. Acno is stronger until proven otherwise. There have been no credible statements to place them at a higher level than Base Acno let alone RoT Acno and they have been in trouble from far less than Acno tier due to hax. Same difference.

Laxus claims that his "Magic power" is like Gildarts. And when people compliment Magic power it doesn't necessarily correlate to their overall stats power. We know for a fact that Suzaku has far less MP then Human Selene (Literally shoke dimensions by just flexing it and corrupting Elentir, none of this which Suzaku could replicate with his own magic power) and yet still stronger then her. So there could be the possibilty that Suzaku may have Gildarts like Magic power but still be stronger then Human Selene. Same goes got Kirin, when he gets a little serious his MP may replicate the same as Gildarts but that doesn't mean Kirin can't be far stornger then Gildarts. Magic power doesn't determine your overall stats power

Why not, do you believe they did nothing throughout the year timeskip? thats very much unlike team Natsu. Its only sensible everyone trained and got a power up compared to their Alvarez selves, Erza compliments Laxus' Growth after shortly seeing his Base in action which further supports that they grew

I thought you meant Merq sine you mentioned "50%", for Aldo; Base Natsu isnt really anything as several are >> him, And when he went DF he pretty much one shot him, and this DF would be stronger then all previous ones as his DF is shown to constantly grow stronger. DGs Are >= Acno, because of the statements of being "at least as strong" as Acno and that they "Surpassed Him", even fighting 50% Merq was compared to Acno. They are >= if not > Acno. If you scroll up you see that it is pre RoT Acno so this short section is Irrelevant and i myself believe the DGs combined lose against him with the RoT Amp. Also Evaluate these "hax". They shouldnt matter as the main point is that DGs are > Pre RoT Acno in stats. there is also no restriction on Selene BFRing and ending the fight

I'm not sure why some people like you would write an essay this lengthy about a discussion regarding imaginary characters.

Lol thats nothing compared to what we were going threw in this thread

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Well i don't think zeref can travel through dimensions but still acnologia can speedblitz both selene and suzaku before they even do something and kill them

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@lameliarleo: they are only as strong as him not as fast

why the hell would you believe acno to be the faster one, why cant Selene be the faster one? This is just headcanon and bias for Acno

@lameliarleo:also fairy heart zeref has selenes bfr magic bcs he has control over space and time

ColaColaMan has already confirmed it to be Base Zeref, and Not FH Zeref

@lameliarleo: Base Zeref showed TS, teleport, bfr and transmutation/transformation enchantment. It's pretty enough to one-shot Selene.

Timestop which was never used in battle, when has he shown to be able to teleport and do you believe it is on a dimensional scale? He does not have BFR in base as far as i know while the last one is Irrelevant. Selene would be the one that one shots and i say again 100YQ is far above EoS

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actually nvm base zerf still has teleportation and needs to counter jacobs magic so he can counter BFR

Jacob's Magic would likely just be overcome by the massive stat gap such as the other Spriggans (Brandish and Dimaria) and even if he could i doubt it would be on the scale of different dimensions

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@lameliarleo: yes it is complete immunity unless its way above his weight class (llike someone thats solar system level and uses magic for example can obv hurt acno with magic), selene can probably bfr acno but it depends weather her BFR teleports the space/ground around them or just the person (irenes bfr for example) but acno can also eat it

selene said "strongest contender" making kirin indeed stronger then suzaku, and suzakus also a brick meanwhile kirin has hax another thing putting kirin above suzaku

@cocacolaman does zeref have FH or not?

if its complete immunity then he would absolutely no sell even universal hits if they used magic, because it has 0 Effect on him no matter how strong it is. Its Nigh Immunity/Very High Resistance, Selene could just BFR the mountain he is on to Elentir, i really dont see how its something that can be eaten.

Nope, she said "contender for the strongest" of diabolos, which would be every DDSK, i mentioned hax as a way to say Kirin has better hax then Suzaku but Suzaku is physically stronger.

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@lameliarleo said:
@jdogg said:

@lameliarleo: Read the latest chap lol. They didn't. Only weaker ones like Lucy did. Erza isn't stronger than EoS neither is Natsu. Laxus only got back is asspull from a year ago. Um no, Natsu was getting his ass handed to until he went DF against Aldo and just then was he only turn the tables and beat him with an all out attack. That was again against a weaken DG and weaken DG < DG =< Acno <<< RoT Acno. Acno is stronger until proven otherwise. There have been no credible statements to place them at a higher level than Base Acno let alone RoT Acno and they have been in trouble from far less than Acno tier due to hax. Same difference.

Laxus claims that his "Magic power" is like Gildarts. And when people compliment Magic power it doesn't necessarily correlate to their overall stats power. We know for a fact that Suzaku has far less MP then Human Selene (Literally shoke dimensions by just flexing it and corrupting Elentir, none of this which Suzaku could replicate with his own magic power) and yet still stronger then her. So there could be the possibilty that Suzaku may have Gildarts like Magic power but still be stronger then Human Selene. Same goes got Kirin, when he gets a little serious his MP may replicate the same as Gildarts but that doesn't mean Kirin can't be far stornger then Gildarts. Magic power doesn't determine your overall stats power

Why not, do you believe they did nothing throughout the year timeskip? thats very much unlike team Natsu. Its only sensible everyone trained and got a power up compared to their Alvarez selves, Erza compliments Laxus' Growth after shortly seeing his Base in action which further supports that they grew

I thought you meant Merq sine you mentioned "50%", for Aldo; Base Natsu isnt really anything as several are >> him, And when he went DF he pretty much one shot him, and this DF would be stronger then all previous ones as his DF is shown to constantly grow stronger. DGs Are >= Acno, because of the statements of being "at least as strong" as Acno and that they "Surpassed Him", even fighting 50% Merq was compared to Acno. They are >= if not > Acno. If you scroll up you see that it is pre RoT Acno so this short section is Irrelevant and i myself believe the DGs combined lose against him with the RoT Amp. Also Evaluate these "hax". They shouldnt matter as the main point is that DGs are > Pre RoT Acno in stats. there is also no restriction on Selene BFRing and ending the fight

I'm not sure why some people like you would write an essay this lengthy about a discussion regarding imaginary characters.

lmao looking back at it, it does seem long, i often just get ticked off when people are wrong and have a strong urge to prove them wrong, which leads to lengthy explanations/examples or rants

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@lameliarleo: Rewatch his 1st fight with Natsu and Mavis and FT backstory if you ask about his teleport and bfr in Base.

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Acno even hasn't to be here. Zeref stomps fodders and their guild.

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Acno and Zeref still shitstomps

Nobody,besides maybe the final Villain in 100YQ will be some over the top super dragon,will surpass Acno

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@lameliarleo: Rewatch his 1st fight with Natsu and Mavis and FT backstory if you ask about his teleport and bfr in Base.

not that hard to send scans instead of telling me to watch a dozen episodes

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@legend9384 said:

@lameliarleo: they are only as strong as him not as fast

why the hell would you believe acno to be the faster one, why cant Selene be the faster one? This is just headcanon and bias for Acno

acnologia blitzed god serena and erza in human form, meanwhile human selene got blitzed by a weakened suzaku and a stronger suzaku failed to blitz a weakened erza, not to mention that acnologia 400 years ago made selene run all the way to a different continent + he was blitzing dragons as a human

@emperor99 said:

@lameliarleo: Base Zeref showed TS, teleport, bfr and transmutation/transformation enchantment. It's pretty enough to one-shot Selene.

Timestop which was never used in battle,

doesn't means he cant use it, thats like me saying that selene never used BFR in battle, and no she wasn't fighting kyria when she used it

when has he shown to be able to teleport

when he teleported ENDs book into his hands, teleported from natsu when he used time stop and when he got ENDs book

and do you believe it is on a dimensional scale?

???

He does not have BFR in base as far as i know while the last one is Irrelevant.

hows it irrelevant? zeref turns her into an ant and steps on her

Selene would be the one that one shots

not even close

and i say again 100YQ is far above EoS

Isn't

@vex_haid said:

actually nvm base zerf still has teleportation and needs to counter jacobs magic so he can counter BFR

Jacob's Magic would likely just be overcome by the massive stat gap

Jacob bfred brandish who is continental, so yeah jacobs BFR hax doesn't rely on strength, u will need resistance to counter it

such as the other Spriggans (Brandish and Dimaria)

Brandish enlarged gajeel whos stronger then her so....and she was able to shrink augusts wound, neinhart had resistance to her magic (she also enlarged natsus tumor), so neinhart obviously had resistance to her magic for it not to work on her. dimarias TS never failed to work on stronger people

and even if he could i doubt it would be on the scale of different dimensions

jacob literally BFRs people to a dimension where they die... same goes for bloodman and irene (irene brought gajeel back from hell)

@vex_haid said:

@lameliarleo: yes it is complete immunity unless its way above his weight class (llike someone thats solar system level and uses magic for example can obv hurt acno with magic), selene can probably bfr acno but it depends weather her BFR teleports the space/ground around them or just the person (irenes bfr for example) but acno can also eat it

selene said "strongest contender" making kirin indeed stronger then suzaku, and suzakus also a brick meanwhile kirin has hax another thing putting kirin above suzaku

@cocacolaman does zeref have FH or not?

if its complete immunity then he would absolutely no sell even universal hits

It is complete immunity unless its WAY above his paygrade like universal magic power for example

if they used magic, because it has 0 Effect on him no matter how strong it is. Its Nigh Immunity/Very High Resistance, Selene could just BFR the mountain he is on to Elentir, i really dont see how its something that can be eaten.

then she would BFR herself as well...... selenes BFR shows light around it or dust, acno could just eat that GG

Nope, she said "contender for the strongest" of diabolos, which would be every DDSK, i mentioned hax as a way to say Kirin has better hax then Suzaku but Suzaku is physically stronger.

kirin blitzed a healthy laxus, suzaku failed to blitz a weakened erza, that should tell u the massive power difference