Supermen vs Hulk and Beta Ray Bill

Supermen

World War Hulk and Beta Ray Bill

Rules

• Both sides in character, but determined to win.
• No BFR.
• Indestructible Planet.

Round 2

• Same rules as above but Wonder Woman(Pre-New 52) and Worthy Thor join the fight.

Callouts:

The Supermen stomp, in round 2 it just gets sad.

@psychobear01: The Superman stomp WWH and BRB? I'm sorry but that's just wrong.

I'm giving both rounds to Team 2 in a decent fight

Not happening at all.

Anyways, I'm going with Team 2.

Probably 50/50. In character Hulk and BRB are more ruthless and hold back less. Superman however IS Superman.

You beat me to it.

I'll take team 2 in a good fight.

Supermen in a nice fight where their speed advantage, used in an intelligent manner is the deciding factor.

@smoothsanta: @knightsofdarkness2: @nerevarine_11: @indomitableregal: @20damon: What about round 2?

Supermen, Round 1.

Superman and Wonder Woman, Round 2.

@thekinfing:

Not sure about Round 2 TBH. I'll have to think on that for a while.

@thekinfing: Round 2's tough. I'll stick with my pick for now though.

Comes down to whether Superman can finish Beta Ray Bill before Thor finishes Wonder Woman. If Diana goes down first, then team 2, if Bill goes down first, then team 1.

Supermen in a tough fight

Round 1 goes to hulk and BRB, BRB usually doesn't fight with morals, and though wwh does hold back, he holds back a lot less than the supermen do.

In round 2 does ww get her sword? If not I don't think she has what it takes to sway the battle in favor of team superman, but if she does I think it's a little tougher to say.

Hmm, In character yeah, the Supermen could face serious moral issues, 'tis true.

im gonna back team 2 for the first round

and say team 2 just barely by the skin of Hulks insane healing factor

Spite

@phillip33: Wonder Woman does indeed has her sword and the rest of her equipment(Tiara, Lasso, and Bracelets).

cant make a decision, are there any speed feats for BRB? (yeah, I'm being that guy rn lol)

I'll hesitantly go with Superman

Round 1 Can go either way, their morals are not the deciding factor here. Both Supermen are strong enough and fast enough to outfight Hulk and BRB with morals on. Just cus they play nice doesn't mean they forget how to fight here. Like I said, it can go either way, but they need better reasons than attitude.

Round 2 goes to DC team for the sheer fact that Wonder Woman is present. She's easily one of the fastest combatants here and easily has the most HAX due to Hestia's Lasso (Not to mention, it was stated that she can pull a Mr-X and read her opponents moves when her lasso brushes up against them in CQC). Thor is not among the fastest here and Diana's magic is just as HAX as his....Diana also has a permanent solution for defeating Hulk with her lasso.

Round 1 will go to Marvel if the Supermen wouldn't use their speed advantage in a smart way.

Too close to call

Round 1 for smash bros in a close fight

Round 2 depends on Diana's gear

@ancient_0f_days: they aren't gonna fight with speed with morals on and they are gonna be pulling their punches, and neither can take lasting shots from either of these guys. They are both stronger and have better striking power, and without an off the bat speed Blitz imo the supermen are doomed. And with morals on they aren't gonna take full advantage of their speed advantage. Even then BRB has the speed to cope and wwh is no slouch in the speed department either. Round 2 I hesitate to argue because I'm not versed on ww, even though I don't think there's anything she can do to hulk that can't be countered by his healing factor.

@itouchedtheboat: fought in hyperspace against surfer, which means he had to speed up his reactions to do anything at that speed.

In the same fight he blocks a cosmic blast of surfers with stormbreaker and counters a speed Blitz from surfer.

Supermen both rounds.

1. Team 2
2. Probably Team 1

@itouchedtheboat: but superman only flew, he did not fight. That's a travel speed feat. It was not stated how fast the blitz was, but it had to be mftl because surfer did it right as he was catching up to scuttlebutt and BRB, it would have taken mftl speeds to catch and overtake a ship moving through hyperspace. Likewise, it takes extreme reactionary time to be able to fight freely in hyperspace against someone who is also traveling through hyperspace, unaided by a ship.

I just found the scans you were talking about and it checks out, so i guess we can agree that BRB has instances of FTL reaction time? The reason I say instances is because he has been tagged by slower foes while he was in a serious fight, like Thor.

@itouchedtheboat: yes him freeing the slaves would be reactionary, but from apocalipse to earth was strictly travel speed. Doesn't rly matter, we already know supes is fast when he needs to be... plenty of fast people have been tagged by Thor though. Surfer for example. BRB doesn't share the Thor curse of going up against street levelers and being unable to tag them, though I personally believe Thor just jobs a lot when it comes to combat speed

well, i mean so does Surfer (share the curse) since he's been hit by Hulk, Namor, Loki (almost losing to him i think), I seem to remember him getting hit by the Thing but i could be trippin'. Beta Ray Bill has slow feats as well, that put him under light reaction, but that would just put me as the guy saying 'Superman wins because he's faster'. I guess we can just establish that Superman doesn't have the incredible speed advantage against BRB like he does against Thor.

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@itouchedtheboat: well surfer holds back a lot too. But yeah he does have a speed advantage but it's not overwhelming IMO

Bump.

Considering the fact that they consistently do, Round 1 doesn't go to Marvel without a better reason than that......you wouldn't really need me to post how many casual speed-blitz feats they have individually...I'll do it, but you've been here a while, you should know Superman's speed record by now.

If you're going to be condescending, at least read the god damn messages that came before mine to get some context where i already said that Supermen win because they should use it in a smart way where other people were questioning that.

PC Superman is above both, and N52 is prolly above WWH Hulk, barley, but team 1 for a majority round one. Round 2 goes to team as well.

To be specific, the only reason the 2 Supermen win here is because of the speed gap, WWH outclasses them in physicals and BRB outclasses them in sheer power.

Unfortunately speed is a more important attribute then things like strength, durability, healing, striking and damage output.

@emperorthanos: @sly_141: @pansito: @atheistknowledge: Any opinions on the 2nd round?

It is only more important when the other attributes are as close as they are in this case imo.

@thekinfing: WW joins the Supermen and Thor joins WWH/BRB? If so nothing really changes, you just added another fast character with some OP weapons to the Supermen duo while you added another powerful but slow character to WWH and BRB.

Well yea obviously i am talking about characters on the same level. It's not like Supermans speed advantage will help him against someone like Thanos for instance who wipes the floor with powerhouses and herald level characters.

Supermen win. To fast for team 2. Round one still supermen and ww

Agreed