Ok, so I've noticed lately people are saying Thor can win if he uses his powers wisely ... assuming Superman doesn't? Regardless if Thor is every bit as powerful as that, let's assume both of them will fight beyond of their fighting capabilities. So Superman won't stand still to tank Thor's best shot, otherwise it's a mismatch I guess. I also want to know if current Thor has any impressive feats similar to what he had done from few decades ago.
Pre/New 52 Superman.
Earth 616 Worthy Thor.
No amp like Odin-force or Sundip. Full potential of their own powers and physical capabilities (Thor AND Superman). Standard versions, no different timeline versions.
Ok, so I've noticed lately people are saying Thor can win if he uses his powers wisely ... assuming Superman doesn't? Regardless if Thor is every bit as powerful as that, let's assume both of them will fight beyond of their fighting capabilities. So Superman won't stand still to tank Thor's best shot, otherwise it's a mismatch I guess. I also want to know if current Thor has any impressive feats similar to what he had done from few decades ago.
Pre/New 52 Superman.
Earth 616 Worthy Thor.
No amp like Odin-force or Sundip. Full potential of their own powers and physical capabilities (Thor AND Superman). Standard versions, no different timeline versions.
@ghostvortex: There are more recent examples also. Old King Thor blast Gorr light-years away within moments at MFTL speeds yet both he and Thor are able to keep track of him and quickly catch up to his exact location as he was flung through the cosmos.
@blackstaroblivion: Superman is not too fast for Thor. If Superman is too fast for Thor, then I guess enemies like Doomsday and Lex Luthor move as fast as Flash, right?
Superman is not too fast for Thor. If Superman is too fast for Thor, then I guess enemies like Doomsday and Lex Luthor move as fast as Flash, right?
Post Crisis Superman is faster than Thor.
Superman is close to the speed of light in reaction time. Below, Bloodthirst likes to visit earth from time to time and visit earth's greatest champions for sport. Using time dilation, Superman is initially slowed to not being able to move.
But with great effort, Superman is able to exert himself, although clearly....still moving in slow motion. However, Bloodthirst allows Supes to get close to him and destroy the device. Why? As mentioned above, he was testing him:
Thor, at best has microsecond reaction speed. Light travels approximately 300 metres in a microsecond. Thor moved far less than that in a micro second. At best, Thor is around a bullet timer.
That is far slower than someone reacting at close to the speed of light.
Thor reacts to his hammer as it tries to kill him, deflects Hyperion-who has nanosecond fighting speeds, Silver Surfer's energy blast-the same post cosmic that blasts him across a universe in seconds-jukes Surfer hard, deflects a blitzing Sentry, reacts to Gladiator-another nanosecond fighter-and then even overwhelms him with his speed.
Thor is even shown capable of processing the speeds of Scuttlebutt-moving hundreds of times the speed of light-and Gorr when he got blasted by King Odin lightyears away.
And it's stated he's capable of swinging Mjolnir at FTL speeds, to do that he needs to be able to move his arm FTL speeds as well.
Thor had the Odinforce during that fight with Iron Man, and he has another much more recent fight against Rachel where she blasted him with a psi-bolt and he didn't react to it. And that was before she made her own psi-hammer and knocked him on his ass with it.
Thor gets speed blitzed by mangoose who can't even tag spiderman
@dcdikrider: Your scans have been posted by others numerous times; it's nice to see them yet again. No matter how many times Thor fans try to ignore reality, without PIS involved, Slowdinson CANNOT come CLOSE to touching Kal. He has neither the origin, nor powerset to do so. HIs hammer allows him great TRAVEL speed, and can move at vast speeds as well; but Thor HIMSELF gets blitzed by much, MUCH slower people like the ones you have featured in your post.
And it's not just Tom Bresvoot that acknowledges this; writer/editors ranging from the eras of Stan Lee to Roy Thomas to Jim Shooter to Kurt Busiek and on and on and ON have depicted this reality. Unfortunately, because some writers over the years have depicted PIS stories of him hanging with super fast people (the same way that Batman and Slade Wilson have been depicted as hanging with/tagging people like Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Impulse, even though their powerset and origin doesn't justify that) some people who are more FAN than FACT driven will just willfully ignore reality to give Thor a win because they "like" him better.
They won't ever ADMIT this, of course---doesn't change the fact that against Thor-as ALWAYS---SUPERMAN WINS.
@z3ro180: "Origin" not only refers to the way a character began; it refers to if their origin justifies them doing certain things. For instance, if you depicted the Flash moving at FTL speeds, but gave no reason (i.e., ORIGIN) for him doing so, it would be PIS. Batman and Slade don't have the ORIGINS, or reasons to justify them avoiding/tagging the characters I mentioned earlier.
By the same token, Thor does not have the origin to justify his BODY and REFLEXES keeping up with Superman (his HAMMER possibly can, but NOT his body).
@theonewhoknows: don't take this the wrong way but as far a arguments for comic battles go that is by far the weirdest theory I have seen on this site.
@conner_wolf: Actually, everyone including Flash has commented on Doomsday speed. He's genuinely fast and hasn't failed to tag amd react to ridiculously fast characters consistently. Lex is another story but the same can be said about Thor versus street levelers.
Bloodlusted Thor is casual planet buster. are we really that dumb, while Superman to destroy the moon had to charge his punch at full speed to hit the power of a Supernova. Thor wins.
Thor can actually keep up with Superman in Speed due to his time reaction, also Thor always holds back and that is why he is normally kicked by enemies normally he would defeat without problem.
But against the like of Superman, he has fighted without holding back knowing they can take a punch and also Thor has already defeated faster, stronger, durable, trained and the most important thing not having vulnerability to the magic and still won. Holding back is something than this two character does due to their arrogance and power,
@conner_wolf: What are you talking about, not only most of my debates have beeen dine while defending a Marvel chracter, but the fact im the leading defending force for all Hulk related topics in this site and everyone who has been around enough time can confirm that. Regardless, if Thor has more than 10 instances under 6 different writers being slower than street levelers, it isn't really considered low nor inconsistent. Everyone has low showings, but you'll never see Superman stating a street leveler is faster than him or flat out being blitzed by one, which Thor has several instances showing exactly that. Moreover, being tagged by a street leveler is one thing, considering Superman could very easily get himself tagged, but been flat out overpowered speed-wise by a non powered character? F*ck no. Thor is a slug and your accusing me of company-based bias without even knowing me nor what i've done for Hulk.
@ghostravage: Thor is no slug, that's just plain bias against him. Superman is constantly tagged by people who aren't even mach speeds, normal human speeds, go ahead and explain that.
The fact Thor has been portrayed has slow is counteracted by all the times he's been portrayed as fast, ya know, by ACTUAL THOR WRITERS OR ACTUAL AVENGERS WRITERS. The people who make Thor slow tend to be people who don't write Thor, such as the Wolverine fight, it took place in a WOLVERINE COMIC. Why should we take it seriously? He's reacted to FTL attacks far too much to even be considered near slow. Every character has low showings, but the fact people try to say Superman is way faster and his low end feats never count is ridiculous.
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So many times tagged by fighters who aren't FTL, being outsped by bullets, Lobo, The General, Alien Insects, Mongul, Dr. Light, Jailor, Proteus, sound-based attacks, giant robots, etc... all times when Superman got straight up destroyed or even blitzed by fighters who have never been FTL. Even Green Lantern isn't FTL and he straight up blitzed Superman.
@z3ro180: "Origin" not only refers to the way a character began; it refers to if their origin justifies them doing certain things. For instance, if you depicted the Flash moving at FTL speeds, but gave no reason (i.e., ORIGIN) for him doing so, it would be PIS. Batman and Slade don't have the ORIGINS, or reasons to justify them avoiding/tagging the characters I mentioned earlier.
By the same token, Thor does not have the origin to justify his BODY and REFLEXES keeping up with Superman (his HAMMER possibly can, but NOT his body).
he reacts to his hammer, so ?... and if the hammer can keep up with supes then he who is holding the hammer should be able to also right?? anyways he has plenty of combat showing that allow him to hit supes... Supes would eventually get hurt by magical attacks and I would definitely side with the better striking power.. Durability is to close to call with supes having an advantage in pure strength... also thor could go the easy route and bfr him.... To many ways for thor to win....
@conner_wolf: That didn't sound right. Either way, you already took things out of context and given the fact the Wolverine fight didn't happen in a Wolverine comic but a shared one, hell... Its name is Wolverine vs Thor... Not that it matters considering Thor got blitzed by Mongoose twice in 2 different Mighty Thor comics while at the same time failing to do the same against Spider-Man.
I guess taking things out of context and neglect facts is a common factor in Thor defenders... The bad ones at least...
Yeah, Wolverine vs Thor... written by a Wolverine writer, come off it mate.
And in the mighty Thor comics he also showed microsecond reaction speeds, oh wow, look, it's almost as though characters have high and low showings that one needs to acknowledge.
@ghostravage: How does he react to hyperion and the likes of the sentry if he is slower than wolverine.... That comic was really poorly written and right after he said that he caught his foot and threw him across the field...He won the fight too.... Is thor faster than supes? no,, but can he react to supes? yes... We know he can see him as he can see hermes...
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