Superman vs. The Scarlet Witch

Tuff one 4 Supes.

Scarlet Witch is she's fast enough.

I think Scarlet Witch has a damm good chance

As much as I hate Supes, I have to say Supes will pull it off because he moves too fast. If it takes Supes at least 5 seconds to reach her, she wins. "No more Superman" that takes 2 seconds.

Scarlet Witch doesn't have a chance, she's just too slow. Also, I imagine any "no more whatever" crap would fail for the same reason Omega Beams can't kill Superman. He's too important to the universe to just be erased like that.

wanda ftw

Wanda loses. Too slow, and reality warping requires substantial emotional trauma. Kal-El won't be killing her fake babies before the match. 

Superman wins, hes already immune or at least highly resistant to reality warping

I think Wanda would win.
His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well.
& Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him. 

"Superman wins, hes already immune or at least highly resistant to reality warping "

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

"Superman wins, hes already immune or at least highly resistant to reality warping "

Since when? "

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

That's in Superman's head. 

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She has been train to utilize magic which helped her probability powers "

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

" @Charmix said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She has been train to utilize magic which helped her probability powers "

But her upgrades are related to magic, so I'm sure they'd have some effect on superman. "

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Charmix said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She has been train to utilize magic which helped her probability powers "

But her upgrades are related to magic, so I'm sure they'd have some effect on superman. "

Either way, Scarlet Witch has the win, magic or not. Her powers are immense. 
@Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

She doesn't need to cast anything, she could probably slow down time against Superman and instantly kill him. "

She doesn't need reality warping. I refuse to include that in this discussion, since we've only witnessed one effect.
 
I stand by my statement that her magically enhanced/affiliated powers would stop Supes.

" @Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

But would Superman even know what she would be doing?  All she needs to do is raise her hand. No words or anything. "

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Charmix said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She has been train to utilize magic which helped her probability powers "

But her upgrades are related to magic, so I'm sure they'd have some effect on superman. "

Either way, Scarlet Witch has the win, magic or not. Her powers are immense. 
@Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

She doesn't need to cast anything, she could probably slow down time against Superman and instantly kill him. "

@Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

She doesn't need to cast anything, she could probably slow down time against Superman and instantly kill him. "

Slow down time, against a person who can fly above lightspeed at will? has she ever done something like that against someone like Northstar? It's not that I don't believe you, I've just never seen her slow down a speedster. "

@Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

She doesn't need to cast anything, she could probably slow down time against Superman and instantly kill him. "

When has she ever slowed down time? And even if she could, Superman moves at light speed on Earth, she would have to slow down time to 1/1000 to even be able to see Supes before he takes her head off  Also the only time I saw her powers being immense was during HOM "

" @Dane said:  

@Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

She doesn't need to cast anything, she could probably slow down time against Superman and instantly kill him. "

Slow down time, against a person who can fly above lightspeed at will? has she ever done something like that against someone like Northstar? It's not that I don't believe you, I've just never seen her slow down a speedster. "

Thats the beauty of probability, you never whats gonna happen until it does (;
 
@Neon_Nemesis said:

@Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

She doesn't need to cast anything, she could probably slow down time against Superman and instantly kill him. "

When has she ever slowed down time? And even if she could, Superman moves at light speed on Earth, she would have to slow down time to 1/1000 to even be able to see Supes before he takes her head off  Also the only time I saw her powers being immense was during HOM "

Like I said before, that's the beauty of probability, you never know what's gonna happen until it does. And HoM was great but did you back trap all her past stunts? Because Wanda has taken on powerful foes in the past. "

Necro much?

Supes blitzes her. Scarlet Witch isn't fast enough, bottom line.

@Neon_Nemesis said:

@Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

She doesn't need to cast anything, she could probably slow down time against Superman and instantly kill him. "

When has she ever slowed down time? And even if she could, Superman moves at light speed on Earth, she would have to slow down time to 1/1000 to even be able to see Supes before he takes her head off  Also the only time I saw her powers being immense was during HOM "

Like I said before, that's the beauty of probability, you never know what's gonna happen until it does. And HoM was great but did you back trap all her past stunts? Because Wanda has taken on powerful foes in the past. "

So basically, she's never done this then, so it isn't a viable defense for her "

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

But would Superman even know what she would be doing?  All she needs to do is raise her hand. No words or anything. "

In a battle thread it should reasonably assumed that they're both trying to fight one another. Although it's in character for Superman to never throw the first punch I think if he took her seriously as a threat he'd just restrain her straight away.
 
@Charmix said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Charmix said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She has been train to utilize magic which helped her probability powers "

But her upgrades are related to magic, so I'm sure they'd have some effect on superman. "

Either way, Scarlet Witch has the win, magic or not. Her powers are immense. 
@Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

She doesn't need to cast anything, she could probably slow down time against Superman and instantly kill him. "

Slow down time, against a person who can fly above lightspeed at will? has she ever done something like that against someone like Northstar? It's not that I don't believe you, I've just never seen her slow down a speedster. "

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

But would Superman even know what she would be doing?  All she needs to do is raise her hand. No words or anything. "

In a battle thread it should reasonably assumed that they're both trying to fight one another. Although it's in character for Superman to never throw the first punch I think if he took her seriously as a threat he'd just restrain her straight away.
 

Superman is not weak to magic. He is as vulnerable as an ordinary person, and yet his inherent durability still offers some protection. He has been hit by the lightning of Captain Marvel and soldiered on; I don't think hex bolts will stop him. 

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

@Neon_Nemesis said:

@Dane said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" I think Wanda would win. His main weakness is magic ... which Scarlet Witch controls quite well. & Her powers of 'bad luck' can turn everything against him.  "

Her powers are reality warping and not magic "

She's been trained in magic by Agatha Harkness.  the magic was one of the things that enhanced her hex bolts to reality warping. "

Superman probably moves too fast. It's unlikely she'd have the time to cast anything before he restrained her. "

She doesn't need to cast anything, she could probably slow down time against Superman and instantly kill him. "

When has she ever slowed down time? And even if she could, Superman moves at light speed on Earth, she would have to slow down time to 1/1000 to even be able to see Supes before he takes her head off  Also the only time I saw her powers being immense was during HOM "

Like I said before, that's the beauty of probability, you never know what's gonna happen until it does. And HoM was great but did you back trap all her past stunts? Because Wanda has taken on powerful foes in the past. "

So basically, she's never done this then, so it isn't a viable defense for her "

Never said she hadn't, she manage to stop the flow of one of Hawkeyes arrow, making it loose it's momentum.  And can you please tell me which issue was it that you said Superman was immune to reality warping? I would love to read it, too see if it fits with the current timeline. (: "

@Charmix said: Like I said before, that's the beauty of probability, you never know what's gonna happen until it does. And HoM was great but did you back trap all her past stunts? Because Wanda has taken on powerful foes in the past. "

So basically, she's never done this then, so it isn't a viable defense for her "

" @Charmix: I agree that Scarlet Witch has a very interesting power-set. I don't agree that she has ever taken down anyone with powers comparable to Superman. To put it in context, it'd be like Scarlet Witch taking out Gladiator or the Silver Surfer.   Durability-wise I think her powers will affect him but I just don't think she's fast enough. Even if she hit him with a hex-bolt, which is a pretty big what if considering he's traveling so fast she couldn't see him coming if he was flying from the Moon, he has fought through powerful debilitating magical attacks and kryptonite poisoning. I don't think she could do enough to incapacitate him before he had time to restrain her. And that's with character morals on. "

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

@Charmix said: Like I said before, that's the beauty of probability, you never know what's gonna happen until it does. And HoM was great but did you back trap all her past stunts? Because Wanda has taken on powerful foes in the past. "

So basically, she's never done this then, so it isn't a viable defense for her "

 Never said she hadn't, she manage to stop the flow of one of Hawkeyes arrow, making it loose it's momentum.
 

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

@Charmix said: Like I said before, that's the beauty of probability, you never know what's gonna happen until it does. And HoM was great but did you back trap all her past stunts? Because Wanda has taken on powerful foes in the past. "

So basically, she's never done this then, so it isn't a viable defense for her "

 Never said she hadn't, she manage to stop the flow of one of Hawkeyes arrow, making it loose it's momentum.
 
And can you please tell me which issue was it that you said Superman was immune to reality warping? I would love to read it, too see if it fits with the current timeline. (:  
 
@Dane said:

" @Charmix: I agree that Scarlet Witch has a very interesting power-set. I don't agree that she has ever taken down anyone with powers comparable to Superman. To put it in context, it'd be like Scarlet Witch taking out Gladiator or the Silver Surfer.   Durability-wise I think her powers will affect him but I just don't think she's fast enough. Even if she hit him with a hex-bolt, which is a pretty big what if considering he's traveling so fast she couldn't see him coming if he was flying from the Moon, he has fought through powerful debilitating magical attacks and kryptonite poisoning. I don't think she could do enough to incapacitate him before he had time to restrain her. And that's with character morals on. "

Her hexes has transform into more, reality warping, the hexes were limited version of it, but a hex bolt isn't a blast of hex, simply all she needs to do is focus for it to happen. Have you read Avenger's Disassembled? Which could show you how she manage to defeat and kill some Avengers. She could even make another version of himself to fight for her against him. While she plans her tactics, and as a former field leader, she can strategical pretty good. "

" @Charmix said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

@Charmix said: Like I said before, that's the beauty of probability, you never know what's gonna happen until it does. And HoM was great but did you back trap all her past stunts? Because Wanda has taken on powerful foes in the past. "

So basically, she's never done this then, so it isn't a viable defense for her "

 Never said she hadn't, she manage to stop the flow of one of Hawkeyes arrow, making it loose it's momentum.
 

That doesn't mean she stopped or slowed down time "

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @Charmix said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

@Charmix said: Like I said before, that's the beauty of probability, you never know what's gonna happen until it does. And HoM was great but did you back trap all her past stunts? Because Wanda has taken on powerful foes in the past. "

So basically, she's never done this then, so it isn't a viable defense for her "

 Never said she hadn't, she manage to stop the flow of one of Hawkeyes arrow, making it loose it's momentum.
 

That doesn't mean she stopped or slowed down time "

then the same process could be use against Superman, and can you please tell me the issue of that scan please, the art looks stuning xD (: "

" @Charmix: I agree that Scarlet Witch has a very interesting power-set. I don't agree that she has ever taken down anyone with powers comparable to Superman. To put it in context, it'd be like Scarlet Witch taking out Gladiator or the Silver Surfer.   Durability-wise I think her powers will affect him but I just don't think she's fast enough. Even if she hit him with a hex-bolt, which is a pretty big what if considering he's traveling so fast she couldn't see him coming if he was flying from the Moon, he has fought through powerful debilitating magical attacks and kryptonite poisoning. I don't think she could do enough to incapacitate him before he had time to restrain her. And that's with character morals on. "Her hexes has transform into more, reality warping, the hexes were limited version of it, but a hex bolt isn't a blast of hex, simply all she needs to do is focus for it to happen. Have you read Avenger's Disassembled? Which could show you how she manage to defeat and kill some Avengers. She could even make another version of himself to fight for her against him. While she plans her tactics, and as a former field leader, she can strategical pretty good. "Avengers Disassembled was, if I remember rightly, an unconscious display of her power that was caused by an prolonged build up of mental stress and anguish. Her mind was cracked in that storyline. I still don't see how she can affect him when he's moving so fast that she can't even see him. It's been stated a number of times in Superman/Justice League books that only the Flashes can see Superman when he's traveling at a portion of his speed. "

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @Charmix said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

@Charmix said: Like I said before, that's the beauty of probability, you never know what's gonna happen until it does. And HoM was great but did you back trap all her past stunts? Because Wanda has taken on powerful foes in the past. "

So basically, she's never done this then, so it isn't a viable defense for her "

 Never said she hadn't, she manage to stop the flow of one of Hawkeyes arrow, making it loose it's momentum.
 

That doesn't mean she stopped or slowed down time "

then the same process could be use against Superman, and can you please tell me the issue of that scan please, the art looks stuning xD (: "

" @CosmicSpiral:  You underestimate Wanda,  Her 'hex bolts' are more powerful Captain Marvels thunder.  They can affect the elements. Cause molecules to disintegrate into nothing or decay, combust objects etc ... "

" @Charmix: Well, it depends what mental state she's in. But I doubt Superman killed her children just before the battle starts. "

" @Charmix said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @Charmix said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

@Charmix said: Like I said before, that's the beauty of probability, you never know what's gonna happen until it does. And HoM was great but did you back trap all her past stunts? Because Wanda has taken on powerful foes in the past. "

So basically, she's never done this then, so it isn't a viable defense for her "

 Never said she hadn't, she manage to stop the flow of one of Hawkeyes arrow, making it loose it's momentum.
 

That doesn't mean she stopped or slowed down time "

then the same process could be use against Superman, and can you please tell me the issue of that scan please, the art looks stuning xD (: "

No she wouldn't be able to, for one, he moves too fast for her, second if she forced the arrow to lose momentum, she would have to use enough force to halt Supes, isn't going to happen
 
I don't know the issue where those scans came from, I found them on moviecodec

I don't think she is going to make anything happen, she couldn't stop Nefaria from blitzing her Yellow Jacket and Captain America

Giving the win to Superman. His speed is a crucial factor here.

" @AngelFrost said:

" @CosmicSpiral:  You underestimate Wanda,  Her 'hex bolts' are more powerful Captain Marvels thunder.  They can affect the elements. Cause molecules to disintegrate into nothing or decay, combust objects etc ... "

No they aren't, people have survived her hex bolts before, hell they weren't even able to harm Nefaria, Captain Marvel's lightning has harm Superman, Alan Scott, and even the Spectre "

" @Charmix: Well I would agree, but she's never shown those feats without a mental breakdown. So theres no evidence she can do anything on that scale without going bat-sh#t insane. "

" @Dane said:

" @Charmix: Well I would agree, but she's never shown those feats without a mental breakdown. So theres no evidence she can do anything on that scale without going bat-sh#t insane. "

It's okay that's why this is debating(: voicing our opinions. "

" @Neon_Nemesis said:

" @AngelFrost said:

" @CosmicSpiral:  You underestimate Wanda,  Her 'hex bolts' are more powerful Captain Marvels thunder.  They can affect the elements. Cause molecules to disintegrate into nothing or decay, combust objects etc ... "

No they aren't, people have survived her hex bolts before, hell they weren't even able to harm Nefaria, Captain Marvel's lightning has harm Superman, Alan Scott, and even the Spectre "

  Because she hasn't alowed them too. At full force she could do damage. & it's a known fact that Superman is weakened against magic forces. "