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#51 Posted by BlackPantherisBoss (355 posts) - - Show Bio


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#52 Posted by deactivated-5b3daad020468 (2228 posts) - - Show Bio

Mm easily

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#53 Posted by Jacthripper (14996 posts) - - Show Bio


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#54 Posted by Trickyman86 (1288 posts) - - Show Bio

Stomp for real

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#55 Posted by anthonysmyth (142 posts) - - Show Bio

Without telepathy or intangibilty Superman wins

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#56 Posted by echostarlord117 (5617 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's the deal with Superman... from what I've gathered, it doesn't matter who he fights. So long as that character is ROUGHLY as powerful as he is, he will win no matter what. That's just the kind of hero he is. Stupid, but true...

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#57 Posted by Sy8000 (35729 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn still has intangibility.

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#58 Posted by YodaPrime (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

Without intangibility or TP I think Superman wins. I think he's stronger, probably more durable, has better fighting skills, and probably faster.

This. Supes win. 9/10 Low-Mid Diff

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#59 Posted by xXxcarzellxXx (3918 posts) - - Show Bio

@echostarlord117: yet he's been beat by Wonder Woman and Martian manhuntee before

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#60 Posted by echostarlord117 (5617 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxxcarzellxxx: To be honest, I'm not a huge DC buff, but as far as I know, Superman only ever loses to people when he's holding back. He does so for various reasons, but if he were to really try, would be unstoppable. At least by people of his power level. And it's simply because of how the writers write him. Also, just because WW and MMH have beaten him before doesn't mean Superman hasn't beaten them on occasion either. Actually, I'd be willing to bet Superman has beaten both of them more times than they've beaten him.

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#62 Posted by xXxcarzellxXx (3918 posts) - - Show Bio

@echostarlord117: no is bs willing that They've beaten him more or they tied Wonder Woman has kicked supermans ass and even fought him in the sun lol while superman admitted that he's glad Martian manhunter is on his team or else he' isn't sure he could stop him . Oh and when superman and Wonder Woman fought he tried to kill her and wasn't holding back

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#63 Posted by NotoriousLe (300 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals off and no TP or intangibility? Superman takes this handily

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#64 Posted by depinhom (13506 posts) - - Show Bio

@coolguyr99: MM already wouldn't be able to win and then some of his best abilities taken away? Can I ask why?

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#65 Edited by BlackPantherisBoss (355 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly even if the Martian had intag I still give it to supes because he can vibrate into intag plus supes has much better physicals and could light mm on fire wth heat vison

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#66 Posted by deactivated-579e79a09210d (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight in Superman's favor. (MMH can't use TP even if you didn't restrict it)

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#67 Edited by Dhanraj (118 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: can martian shape shift himself into kryptonite and beat superman's ass ??

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#68 Posted by comic_bruh777 (1695 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman. Stronger, faster, more experienced from fighting tougher foes, more durable. Could easily use fire to his advantage where Martian Manhunter would likely not find Kryptonite laying around and most certainly can't create it.

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#69 Posted by APEX_pretador (21314 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman. Although shape shifting and invisibility give MMH a decent shot.

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#70 Posted by bowlt_swagg_320 (2260 posts) - - Show Bio


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#71 Posted by omriamar (7068 posts) - - Show Bio


stronger faster and more durable

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#72 Posted by FearSinestro (251 posts) - - Show Bio

Jonn with some difficulty

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#73 Posted by BlackStarOblivion (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

`So, effectively the two things that would normally give Jonn the win are taken away. Superman wins this.

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#74 Posted by Dhanraj (118 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: can martian manhunter shapeshift himself into a kryptonite and defeat him ??

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#75 Posted by deactivated-5aeee927346fb (1531 posts) - - Show Bio
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#76 Posted by Dhanraj (118 posts) - - Show Bio
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#77 Posted by WollfMyth209 (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

@dhanraj: He can make himself look like kryptonite, he can't make his molecule components the same as that of kryptonite.

He can defeat him through other means, though.

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#80 Posted by blackpantherisb (7337 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman has a massive speed advantage, a solid strength advantage, slightly superior striking, and massively, massively superior durability, J'ohn's only advantage is regen, but Superman can punch him down, blitz him, tank his hits, over power him, and finish him off with HV since MMH has very very low energy durability, and a fire weakness.

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#81 Edited by ProteusXManRxis (4460 posts) - - Show Bio


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#82 Posted by comic_book_fan (11645 posts) - - Show Bio


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#84 Posted by KanyeCosby (7252 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman wrecks him under these conditions.

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#85 Posted by KratoDaManto (894 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian Manhunter

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#86 Posted by thebuckaronatr (1918 posts) - - Show Bio

How unfair, Clark wins of course like that.

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#88 Posted by KratoDaManto (894 posts) - - Show Bio
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#89 Posted by ProteusXManRxis (4460 posts) - - Show Bio

Supes under these conditions. Intangibility is pretty much what would save J'onnz from being hit by HT.

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#90 Edited by TheOneWhoKnows (4916 posts) - - Show Bio

Even with TP and intangibility, Superman can win against Manhunter 50% of the time, because:


TP Resistance Feats (Including Against J'onn More Than Once):

TP-The following scans and links are Superman, in order, resisting Dominus http://i.imgur.com/2GnY2dp.jpg;

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Martian Manhunter on at least three occasions, including in Martian Manhunter issue 20 when J'onn remarks that Kryptonian brains are different than others, and Kal can't be affected/detected if Kal doesn't wish it; and the above incident (note how a shocked Jonn' states that Supes, quote, "forced me out" of Kal's mind-there are few beings who could even momentarily STALL the Martian, much less do THAT); Braniac http://imgur.com/a/VCnVG (note how, despite Braniac amping up ever increasing "more power" in his TP assault, he is not able to take over Kal, ultimately destroying HIMSELF in his attempts); Maxwell Lord, even after several months of clandestine work, and finally having Supes under his control is not able to force Kal to kill http://i.imgur.com/Y1oio8F.jpg resists mind domination attacks from Neron;

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above, defies Eradicator (note how, as Superman resists Eradicator, he helpfully remembers several OTHER powerful TP's that he has resisted over the years; shortly after Kal soon uses his devastating heat vision to achieve victory);

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Eclipso in "Superman The Man Of Steel Annual I" 1"http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/72524/3164188-1885471987-30567.jpg -Superman remarks afterwards that over the years he's built up resistance to telepathy; resists the simultaneous mental AND spiritual assault of "The Light Of Heaven" from Asmodel the Angel, which when effective results in instant madness http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/wonder-woman-vs-magneto-1714954/?page=5(post 209; click the "spoilers" icon, it's the third scan); and Superman resists the being known as Hfuhruhurr, or "Union" despite this adversary having TP derived from the power of countless stolen brains throughout the universe. Note how the shocked telepath shouts "Impossible! He's broken free" during their battle

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Superman soon goes on to beat Union up for his effrontery.

There's more, so the above examples show there is an excellent chance Superman can hold off J'onn's TP long enough to defeat him-and/or. the Martian might not even get the chance to try using that tactic because of Kal's

(A) Superior Combat Speed

-Superman has consistently beaten to the punch people as fast, or even faster than him, as he combines his combat speed and skills in ways above others similar to him

Superman has: caught the Flashhttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/sm_709_dylux_-9-copy-e1300679300858.jpghttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130781/3556932-1976765855-26290.jpg this catching Barry Allen Flash incident-where Barry was moving so fast he was, quote, "running faster than time" and warping reality-was confirmed as an attosecond feat by the DC sanctioned writer of the story Chris Roberson (and the two heroes were not moving in a strictly straight, line, so this was not a travel feat);

blitzed his Earth 3, Has-All-His Powers counterpart Ultra Man and Superwoman

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Was fast enough to, almost with casual effort strike a streaking Professor Zoom (causing the villain to state Kal's speed "rivals" his) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/125391/2868061-2630107_supeszoom2.jpg and blitzes Zod and Ursa, two Kryptonians http://imgur.com/a/ieEGm All these characters have great combat speed of their own, yet Supes beat them to the punch, and there's many other examples on standby (another poster in another thread layed out over 80 instances of Superman's speedblitzes). So if Superman can out react all of those super fast characters, J'onn will be no different.

J'onn's Intangibility-

Going intangible won't help J'onn-

Superman's heat vision can affect ghost like, or intangible opponents like here http://i.imgur.com/XtHpJwz.jpg and here, against The Weird, who can alter his body to phase, and/or achieve an intangible state http://i.imgur.com/nJM7Kp6.jpg And since Post Crisis Supes, due to the "Rebirth" story line, is now combined with the history, experiences, and abilities of N52 Superman---Kal can freeze intangible opponents with a flash freeze http://i.imgur.com/cqvteCC.jpg ; his breath is powerful enough to freeze his equal Bizarro in place http://i.imgur.com/HGLESCH.jpg

Since Superman's heat vision's powerful enough to:

disrupt and break through force fields with infinite event horizons...

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...and the heat vision is even capable of repairing reality itself http://i.imgur.com/qa9CHtW.jpg

...the above is more evidence Superman can affect J'onn whether he is intangible or not (although, since the character has been physically affected by opponents many times, the point is moot).

Translation: Even with TP and intangibility, the Kryptonian has an even chance of defeating the Martian.

Without it:

Superman wins.

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#91 Posted by MightyKalEl (2209 posts) - - Show Bio


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#92 Posted by ITACHI_IS_GAWD (472 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian Manhunter.

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#93 Posted by Breaking_Brads_Void (1080 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Clark.

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#94 Posted by KratoDaManto (894 posts) - - Show Bio

@theonewhoknows: what the hell?? Heat vision can affect him even if intangible? Geez never knew it was that worthy

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#95 Posted by emperorthanos- (16600 posts) - - Show Bio

Under these conditions superman could win.

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#96 Posted by KratoDaManto (894 posts) - - Show Bio

Anywys i still beliee jonzz wins

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#97 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12367 posts) - - Show Bio

Supermans wins in these conditions as this is also bloodlusted battle meaning Superman wont try to put him down with brawling as MMH can still regerate and shape shift.

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#99 Posted by Charan_ (1400 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman under these stipulations.

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#100 Edited by comic_book_fan (11645 posts) - - Show Bio