Superman Vs. Magneto

" @Shattered007: Fact: Superman is stronger than wonder woman. I exaggerated, true. But he is still stronger than wonder woman. Fact: Superman can't breath in space it's a known fact. Silver Age superman could. Superboy prime probably could. Modern Superman can't breath in space or underwater. I beginning to think I know more about Superman than the fan boys. "

supes

"@Shattered007:  And Magneto is pathetic?  BB- 100 tonner, flight, voice, final punch, photon manipulation which allows him to increase his durability and create elements out of thin air and he has control over the EM spectrum,regeneration Namor- 100 tonner, flight, hydrokinesis, extremely old, regeneration, able to mimic any marine traits for himself BP- a supergenius, one of marvel's top ten I believe.   You need to read up on Marvel. Well, my bad but still. Superman would not be able to keep up. Did you not read my last comment completely? Writers and artists do that to keep us from being bored cause if they did it realistically, well, space travel would take a really long time. I mean, do you want to read a comic just them traveling in space forever? Marvel has done it with there supersonic fliers as well.   Like I said, would be close but no curbstomp. And Cyke overloaded Bishop, who has shown a near infinite level of energy absorption and only one to do so. And no, I hate Cyclops but now how strong he is at full strength. "

" @Neon_Nemesis: Bad writing. He can't breath in space. "

" @Neon_Nemesis: Bad writing. He can't breath in space. "

More bad writing on the way
 

" @Shattered007: No, he is not. He is a 100 tonner. He is in the tops of Marvel. And yes Namor does have Hydrokinesis in 616. Blackbolt can increase his physical strength due to his photon manipulation. Gambit- Has unknown limits to how much energy he can charge an object with. Cable- Overcharged Bishop after Bishop had already charged up.   So, yeah, you obviously are a DC fan. I know Superman will win in the end but will be no curbstomp. Not at all. "

Superman, no question. 

" @Shattered007: No, he is not. He is a 100 tonner. He is in the tops of Marvel. And yes Namor does have Hydrokinesis in 616. Blackbolt can increase his physical strength due to his photon manipulation. Gambit- Has unknown limits to how much energy he can charge an object with. Cable- Overcharged Bishop after Bishop had already charged up.   So, yeah, you obviously are a DC fan. I know Superman will win in the end but will be no curbstomp. Not at all. "

" @Waffle Fries: No what I' m saying is that after the post-crisis superman has defined power levels. Writers take it upon themselves to increase and decrease at will. No other character is this exceptable except superman. If Spider-man was shown flying and running at the speed of sound everyone would be crying out "bad writing, spider-man doesn't have those powers" Superman on the other hand is okay. If Superman develops and loses new powers and power levels at will then how do you gauge it? "

"Superman, no question.  "

"@jstarzyk said:

"Superman, no question.  "

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" @Neon_Nemesis: superman fans the Tea Party of Comicvine 
 
 

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" @Neon_Nemesis: Not bashing. just stating facts. You guys twist and turn the facts to your whim. You have lots of pretty scans that just prove my point. He's inconsistent. Hasn't been consistent from one series to the next since John Byrne.  "

" @Neon_Nemesis: I do research, like I said I read Superman comics. I know how inconsistent he's been since COIE the facts are he can't reach light speed, and he isn't even half as powerful as he was before COIE. For every scan you have of him doing an seemingly impossible feat there are two of him getting tagged by some jobber, or straining to do things he used to do without breaking a sweat. I don't have a scanner so I can't put them up here but I'm sure there are plenty on this site. That's why I don't put any stock in your scans. Inconsistent. Read everything, post everything, not just the stuff you like. I keep going back to Byrne b/c that's where his current power set goes back to. If Byrne said he shouldn't be able to do it then, then that's how it's meant to be. It was a conscious move on DC's part to power Superman down to make it easier on writers to not have superman be a Dues ex Machina. "

" @Neon_Nemesis: No, I beg to differ. Superman getting tagged isn't PIS. He can be tagged, I actually like the version of Superman where he isn't all-powerful, it makes for a better story. Again that started after Crisis. When you start adding powers unexplained then that's PIS. I'm give you this, if superman can move and react at light speed, why did he get tagged by doomsday? How does Master Jailer and Neutron get the jump on him? Why didn't he just take out Libra and Doomsday by himself during Final Crisis? How does Metallo's kryptonite weaken him if could travel faster then the actual radiation that is supposedly harming him? Where is the consistent light speed? "

" @Neon_Nemesis: you mean when booster gold commented that he was faster than flash? That is your evidence? Is that an analogy, or an observation? So that means doomsday can travel faster than light speed too? Does Doomsday have ties to the speed force too? I don't know? Educate me son! "

" @Neon_Nemesis: That was an obvious exaggeration. i said that to make a point. Superman is stronger than wonder woman. She's a better fighter, you know amazon training and all that stuff, but he is physically stronger. Also answer the question, can doomsday travel faster than light?  "

" @Neon_Nemesis: Also you said if Superman gets hit then that's PIS. So in your mind Superman should never get hit and one-hit every opponent he ever faces? "

" @Neon_Nemesis: Actually I'm taking all of his showings and putting them up against the superman right after COIE. If he didn't show those abilities then and there is no explanation then I consider it PIS. If he gets tagged by somebody he shouldn't get tagged by then that's PIS as well. Post-Crisis Superman didn't travel light speed. Maybe after a sunbath he could, but he couldn't before a sunbath. Doomsday isn't a light speed traveler either. The point is superman's powers change issue to issue, the only real consistency was right after Crisis. If he is lower or higher then his post crisis level I don't negate the story but I don't feel it's an accurate interpretation of his power set. Hopefully the next volume of Who's Who will clear it up, but until then I say Who's Who v2 and post crisis Byrne era Superman is the definitive power set. "

You assume I don't know anything about the character. 1.) like I said I read superman comics. My like/dislike for the character depends on the writer. 2.) This isn't a quiz, I really don't care where you scans come from or what they show, they have no bearing of my opinion. 3.) If I'm not obsessed with superman that means I'm a hater? 3.) I think I listed my supporting chronology and you've dismissed that just as I have your scans. We basically agree to disagree. 

" You assume I don't know anything about the character. 1.) like I said I read superman comics. My like/dislike for the character depends on the writer. 2.) This isn't a quiz, I really don't care where you scans come from or what they show, they have no bearing of my opinion. 3.) If I'm not obsessed with superman that means I'm a hater? 3.) I think I listed my supporting chronology and you've dismissed that just as I have your scans. We basically agree to disagree.  "

Tagging Superman is not completely PIS . While I mostly have seen him being tagged by things rather than characters .

1. I've been reading off and on since Byrne.  
2. So haven't you listed any other issues where scans disprove you. I don't care what issue a particular scan comes from they hold little bearing on the issue. 
3. I think you knowledge of the character is inflated. You seem to only recount the feats which go towards your point, there are plenty of issues that don't. You use the same bad writing excuse as I did when the issues point otherwise 
4. I'm right your half wrong. The important half.

" 1. I've been reading off and on since Byrne.  
2. So haven't you listed any other issues where scans disprove you. I don't care what issue a particular scan comes from they hold little bearing on the issue. 
3. I think you knowledge of the character is inflated. You seem to only recount the feats which go towards your point, there are plenty of issues that don't. You use the same bad writing excuse as I did when the issues point otherwise 4. I'm right your half wrong. The important half. "

" http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion/1/how-fast-can-superman-fly/664/ "

Awesome response, a thread made over 3 years ago, heck even the last post has the scans of Superman flying from Vegeta to Earth in minutes, over 25 light years in distance
 
Oh but of course...its baaaad writing /rolls eyes

It's relevant to the argument. Same as this one no consensus to it just like this. But I thought that maybe someone else who thought supeman wasn't light speed who obviously had knowledge of the character might put a little validity to the argument. 

" It's relevant to the argument. Same as this one no consensus to it just like this. But I thought that maybe someone else who thought supeman wasn't light speed who obviously had knowledge of the character might put a little validity to the argument.  "

Actually I was talking about the link he posted. Try this link  http://forums.comicbookresources.com/archive/index.php/t-53103.html 
 
Specifically this part: 

Even better, hiding behind a bunch of irrelevant post from another site, Awesome

" Wow good copy paste but the ON SCREEN FEATS say otherwise. Now keep posting nonsense. "

Sorry I'm so late posting this but....