Superman Vs. Magneto

"If both are at full power level I think Mags takes it. That master of magnetism gimmick is hard to get around. I don't care if you can move at the speed of light, if you can't control the electromagnetic bonds of your own atoms then you can't win. Magneto rarely goes all out but if he does even superman can't take him. sorry fanboys :) "

Magneto is Better  character but superman is just over powered

" @The Mjolnir Wielder: Sorry, that whole speed of light thing doesn't cut it. That's the only argument you can make for superman. I don't think he's going to take down magneto. He still has red blood cells, he still has atoms which are bonding by magnetism, and he still has nerves which send electromagnetic pulses. I don't want to bash on supes, i just think everyone is underrating Magneto. "

" @Night Thrasher said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder: Sorry, that whole speed of light thing doesn't cut it. That's the only argument you can make for superman. I don't think he's going to take down magneto. He still has red blood cells, he still has atoms which are bonding by magnetism, and he still has nerves which send electromagnetic pulses. I don't want to bash on supes, i just think everyone is underrating Magneto. "

 I agree that he often gets a bad wrap on this site, but Superman would still end this fight prior to Magneto realizing that it had even started. "

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" @Night Thrasher said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder: Sorry, that whole speed of light thing doesn't cut it. That's the only argument you can make for superman. I don't think he's going to take down magneto. He still has red blood cells, he still has atoms which are bonding by magnetism, and he still has nerves which send electromagnetic pulses. I don't want to bash on supes, i just think everyone is underrating Magneto. "

 I agree that he often gets a bad wrap on this site, but Superman would still end this fight prior to Magneto realizing that it had even started. "

Okay let's play out the scenario. If Superman is the aggressor then he could catch Magneto off guard. But in character then Magneto would be the aggressor and thereby getting the first blow. Now, knowing Magneto has the first blow (and probably a pretty powerful one), Supes would retaliate. Going at Mags he would probably run into one of those shields Mags likes to throw up. Getting by this would be difficult. Knowing Supes he's going to try punch through it first. That won't work, so he'll try his heat vision. Now, while Supes is trying to get through this shield, Mags is gauging him, approximating his strength, speed and power assortment. While doing this he is also probing his bloodstream for iron. Through his shield he pulls all the Fe out of Supes system and thereby the oxygen. Superman dies of asphyxiation. Good day sir :) "

" @The Mjolnir Wielder: I know a lot about Superman. It's just I don't overhype him like everyone else. His powers are his powers, I don't like to invent or exaggerate to prove a point. 1.) Superman can't go faster than light. He has NEAR  light speed, but not faster than light. Anything otherwise is PIS. 2.) He no longer can breath in space. Could before COIE, can't now. 3.) Can't move planets by hand. Once again, could before COIE, can't now. If he could the kryptonians wouldn't have to invent anything to move the moon from Jupiter to New Krypton.   P.S. For the record I do actually collect Superman comics. Depends on the writer, I love James Robinson's take as I did Joe Kelly's. Didn't care to much for Jeph Loeb, but am looking forward to JMS. Just because I don't think Superman can single handedly beat any and everything doesn't mean I am ignorant to the character. "

" @The Mjolnir Wielder: 1.) It's officially his speed level. He can't go past light speed unless he sunbaths. 2.) True enough, but not to the degree some (not necessarily you) have made it seem. 3.) Never said you did, but some actually make that argument, so I addressed it here.   Still I think people are underestimating Magneto and Overestimating Superman. Pre-Crisis Superman would take Mags out no problem. Current Superman would have trouble. The problem with Superman is he has too many exaggerated feats b/c writers escalate and deescalate his powers every week to make him seem unbeatable. I don't like using one time feats as canon b/c in the very next issue he could be shown not be able to accomplish half of the that feat. "

Couldn't Magneto just rip the iron out of Superman's blood and defeat him?

" @The Mjolnir Wielder: No he hasn't. After COIE his speed and strength were drastically reduced. His official power stats are supposed to be at the same level as John Byrne's run after COIE. Writers have bent the rules so much that he's getting back up to those same Pre-Crisis levels. Why do you think Superboy Prime was so much more powerful than both superman and superboy? "

" @Night Thrasher said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder: No he hasn't. After COIE his speed and strength were drastically reduced. His official power stats are supposed to be at the same level as John Byrne's run after COIE. Writers have bent the rules so much that he's getting back up to those same Pre-Crisis levels. Why do you think Superboy Prime was so much more powerful than both superman and superboy? "

He has traveled, or fought, at FTL speeds on numerous occasions following COIE (I can post a few scans if you want me to). "

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" @Night Thrasher said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder: No he hasn't. After COIE his speed and strength were drastically reduced. His official power stats are supposed to be at the same level as John Byrne's run after COIE. Writers have bent the rules so much that he's getting back up to those same Pre-Crisis levels. Why do you think Superboy Prime was so much more powerful than both superman and superboy? "

He has traveled, or fought, at FTL speeds on numerous occasions following COIE (I can post a few scans if you want me to). "

No need. It just goes to my point. Officially Superman can't go FTL. That's the way it is. After COIE retcon he was depowered. Writers take liberty with the character to enhance and depower him at will. You can have scans of him fighting FTL, and someone else can have scans of him getting hit by a bullet. There is no consistency. His official stats say that he can't go FTL. "

" Couldn't Magneto just rip the iron out of Superman's blood and defeat him? "

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" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" @Night Thrasher said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder: No he hasn't. After COIE his speed and strength were drastically reduced. His official power stats are supposed to be at the same level as John Byrne's run after COIE. Writers have bent the rules so much that he's getting back up to those same Pre-Crisis levels. Why do you think Superboy Prime was so much more powerful than both superman and superboy? "

He has traveled, or fought, at FTL speeds on numerous occasions following COIE (I can post a few scans if you want me to). "

No need. It just goes to my point. Officially Superman can't go FTL. That's the way it is. After COIE retcon he was depowered. Writers take liberty with the character to enhance and depower him at will. You can have scans of him fighting FTL, and someone else can have scans of him getting hit by a bullet. There is no consistency. His official stats say that he can't go FTL. "

Just out of curiosity, where did you get his official stats? "

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" @The Mjolnir Wielder: No he hasn't. After COIE his speed and strength were drastically reduced. His official power stats are supposed to be at the same level as John Byrne's run after COIE. Writers have bent the rules so much that he's getting back up to those same Pre-Crisis levels. Why do you think Superboy Prime was so much more powerful than both superman and superboy? "

He has traveled, or fought, at FTL speeds on numerous occasions following COIE (I can post a few scans if you want me to). "

No need. It just goes to my point. Officially Superman can't go FTL. That's the way it is. After COIE retcon he was depowered. Writers take liberty with the character to enhance and depower him at will. You can have scans of him fighting FTL, and someone else can have scans of him getting hit by a bullet. There is no consistency. His official stats say that he can't go FTL. "

Just out of curiosity, where did you get his official stats? "

My fault I feel asleep. But if you look at the Who's Who v2 it shows that supes speed is dropped from being able to breach time to faster than sound. There is another directory I read somewhere that says that only people connected to the speed force can break light speed. "

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" @victorymaker:  magneto wouldn't be able to do this simply due to the speed and the reaction time differential, magneto can not react to someone moving at the speed of light, he would be dead before he completes his blink "

 Enhanced Reaction Time / Plucking Northstar out of the air with his hand (X-Men Vol. 2 #113) "

superman is way to fast for magneto to beat him or do any damge

Superman takes this

" @Neon_Nemesis: Officially he's not that fast. His "feats" vary so often, you can't gauge anything on them. He's been punched by people like master jailer and then the next panel he's one shotting neutron. I don't go by one-off feats. Officially he's a sound barrier speedster. One panel you can go on for years with varying power levels for supes he's one the most inconsistently written characters in history. "

" @Neon_Nemesis: Officially he's not that fast. His "feats" vary so often, you can't gauge anything on them. He's been punched by people like master jailer and then the next panel he's one shotting neutron. I don't go by one-off feats. Officially he's a sound barrier speedster. One panel you can go on for years with varying power levels for supes he's one the most inconsistently written characters in history. "

Why is post crisis Superman not suppose to be that fast? He consistently shows FTL speeds.  You can't argue against consistency period.  
 
He didn't one shot Wonder Woman because her physical stats are near his

" @Neon_Nemesis: She's nowhere near light speed. I don't even think she can break the sound barrier. What are you talking about. According to your logic, he's been shown traveling faster than light consistently (which he hasn't), he's moved planets (which she's nowhere near close to doing), he outclasses her by ten classes. That's what I mean by inconsistent, based on the crossovers and special events, superman is near spectre level powerful but in his own series he's not that powerful. Most of the feats where he's that fast are in crossovers or major story lines. Issue to issue in his own series he's not that fast. "

Both are faster then light, numerous scans and evidence have been shown 
You can deny it all you like, but it is still true

" @Waffle Fries: Like I said, bad writing. Post-crisis Super-Man isn't supposed to be that fast. They gradually increase and decrease his powers with every story. John Byrne and the editors made it a specific point to drop Supes speed and super hypnotism, and other ridiculous powers to reasonable levels. He occasionally goes FTL which I take as bad writing b/c he doesn't consistently do it like SS. Supes ex Machina in any normal story doesn't go FTL, he isn't invulnerable to punches from anyone other than GOD ALMIGHTY himself, and he can't lift the solar system by himself. Show the consistency in comic after comic. If that's the case why didn't he one shot WW in Infinite Crisis? I go to the John Byrne stories for the official power levels Post Crisis. "

Alright, they cannot keep up with the Flash at full speed. He is the only character who can break the speed of light and the Flash family as well as Zoom. Another thing, has been stated that Superman Prime's top speed is the speed of light and during IC #7 Prime left Superman in his shadow. So, no Superman cannot move at the speed of light. Then on to the dense of his blood cells, that would mean he would have more iron present in them which would allow Magneto to detect him due to the higher hemoglobin amount. As Night Thrasher said, in crossovers, Superman is not shown to be as strong as he is in his solo series.  I could upload the image from IC #7 right now. He cannot reach SA feats anymore due to the depowering of Superman during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.  
 
People are overrating Superman in this thread. 

"Alright, they cannot keep up with the Flash at full speed. He is the only character who can break the speed of light and the Flash family as well as Zoom. Another thing, has been stated that Superman Prime's top speed is the speed of light and during IC #7 Prime left Superman in his shadow. So, no Superman cannot move at the speed of light. Then on to the dense of his blood cells, that would mean he would have more iron present in them which would allow Magneto to detect him due to the higher hemoglobin amount. As Night Thrasher said, in crossovers, Superman is not shown to be as strong as he is in his solo series.  I could upload the image from IC #7 right now. He cannot reach SA feats anymore due to the depowering of Superman during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.   People are overrating Superman in this thread.  "

Weren't you the same guy that said Cyclops can destroy half a planet? No offense but you shouldn't talk about overrating anyone 
 
Superman can move faster then light, I have no idea what that is such a hard concept for people to grasp...there has many plenty of scans and evidence to show this 
 
Superboy Prime was also as fast as Pre Crisis Superman shown during COIE, and he was never retconned, so he is much faster then light 
 
Superman flying from Earth to Saturn in 4 minutes would make him 18-20x faster then light

 
Superman flying from Vega to Earth in mere minutes in Death of the New Gods 1 would make him several million times faster then light at least [Vega is 25 light years from Earth]

" @Shattered007:  Actually, I did and that is Cyke's blast at full power. Does he use it? No. But seriously, he may be able to do that after sunbathing but not without it. And no, Superman Prime's full speed is light speed. The only characters that are able to go past light speed are the Flash family. Cause when they do, they go back in time. That is just inconsistent writing there. But both companies do it. Having heroe/villains make space travel in matter of minutes. Just cause none of us want to see a comic just contemplating space travel. Superman Prime when he was infused with the power of a Guardian was able to fly FTL and when he did so, he would change to different dimensions and such. So, once you go FTL time stops and reverses and Superman has not shown the ability to do so by himself without sunbathing. Would Superman win? Yes but would be no curbstomp. Would be a close fight. "

consistent

"@crimsonspider89: I had to give up on them. Rationality is lost on some. Now I know how Obama feels. "