@Shawnbaby said:
@Lady_Liberty said:
@Shawnbaby: There is no reason someone couldn't life a black hole. Its an object with rest mass, so as long as you could avoid getting pulled apart by the gravitational forces I can think of no reason someone wouldn't be able to move it if they were strong enough.
I have a problem with Superman being able to do any of that. He can't move the earth by himself but he can contain a Black Hole in his fist? Also, even if Superman could survive it, the rest of the league would have been dead before he ever got his hand around it anyway. None of this is to say that Gladiator would beat Superman though. Supes other strength Feats clearly put him over Gladiator.
The instance of Superman needing help to move the Earth in JLA #75 is taken out of context. He wasn't in peak condition. He'd been dead underground for thousands of years and then just suddenly brought back to life. He wasn't fully charged. He'd actually moved a planet previously. While with help, it was under a red sun, and IIRC many times more massive than Earth. And the Mageddon example would also qualify considering how many times larger it was than Earth, what he did use his strength to power and move the clockwork-like gears would be planet-sized effort. And he has other feats more impressive than this, or even the black hole thing.
@venomoushatred1001 said:
@Delta1938 said:
Has Gladiator held his own against those with Above Top-Tier Strength? Superman has, and beaten some.
Thor, Hulk, and Supreme to name a few.
@Lady_Liberty said:
What does that have to do with strength? Neither Thor or Surfer have enough raw strength to challenge him. Thor's best strength feats are almost two decades old, and hard to define. Clark is physically much stronger then both of them.
And I agree that fighting Surfer isn't something he could do effortlessly. I think he would lose against Surfer. But again, that has little to do with an arm wrestling match.
Thor has had some recent strength feats such as moving the World Engine (1996) and harming Galactus with pure strength (2011) to name a few. Thor is indeed in Superman's strength class.
Anyway, thats not the point. The point is saying Gladiator "isn't nearly" as strong as Superman ,despite his many impressive feats, is completely ludicrous. Gladiator may not be quite as strong as Supes, but hes close to it.
Since when was Thor above Top-Tier in strength? And Superman's a lot stronger. Hulk it depends on the incarnation. And the only example I'm aware of where they fought he did poorly. Yes, I know the context, but I don't think that's something worth using when saying Gladiator's fought those physically above Top-Tier. Supreme? Dunno if that was canon or not(I'm assuming you mean the crossover with Rob Liefeld's Supreme), but I remember Gladiator doing rather poorly. And I don't even know if Supreme is physically above Top-Tier, I only read a handful of his appearances. So if he is, I'd have to take your word for it.
@venomoushatred1001 said:
@Lady_Liberty said:
@venomoushatred1001: I wouldn't say those two feats put him in Clark's class at all. But that has been debated up and down the 8,000,000,000 Thor vs. Superman threads, until there really isn't anything new to say on the subject.
Back to Gladiator.
Yes, I would say Gladiator doesn't have anywhere near the feats to show he is close to as strong as Clark. For example he has struggled with the Hulk in combat. If he was anywhere near Clark's strength he would just one shot him and move on.
Finally, we agree on something.
Back to Glads, the only reason he struggled with Hulk was because he was weakened due to radiation. At full strength, he should have no problem dealing with Hulk. The only reason I put Supes above Glads in strength is due to better feats. Other than that I would have considered them equals.
Superman also has examples where he's either overcoming multiple Top-Tiers(physically, plus some Mid-Tiers) who are restraining him or making them struggle to restrain him. Gladiator have any of those examples?
@Shawnbaby said:
@Lady_Liberty said:
@venomoushatred1001: I wouldn't say those two feats put him in Clark's class at all. But that has been debated up and down the 8,000,000,000 Thor vs. Superman threads, until there really isn't anything new to say on the subject.
Back to Gladiator.
Yes, I would say Gladiator doesn't have anywhere near the feats to show he is close to as strong as Clark. For example he has struggled with the Hulk in combat. If he was anywhere near Clark's strength he would just one shot him and move on.
@Shawnbaby: The size of a black hole can be calculated very exactly from its mass, and the reverse is also true. We could measure Clark's height in the scans, and the size of the black hole, and by that get an idea of how large it is.
From that we could then extrapolate how much mass it had, and from that how great its gravitational field was and how long it would last before Hawking radiation burned it out. (Realistically one that size would last less then a thousandth of a second.)
That's a little past my interest in the subject though, as it would take a considerable effort for me do.
Diana could survive a black hole with no problems. If you can move faster then light, you can escape any gravitational field. (It should be really easy for Clark to fly though them, for example.)
But I agree that Bruce should be in serious trouble. I guess his bat-gravity-nullification device saved him ;-)
I didn't think Diana had light speed capability...that's one to grow on. Do you know exactly what happens after that scan though...Superman is standign there saying he doesn't know how long he can hold it...i mean obviously it works out...im jus tkinda curious how they explain what happens...does it just burn out? Does Superman eat it?
Later him and Green Lantern take it to a wormhole. Green Lantern helps reduce the pressure along the way, then I guess when they get there contains it(wasn't clear if he contained it or not from what I recall) so Superman can "produce static electricity in tremendous quanities" which GL had corralled with a magnetic field to give it a more stable containment field, then Superman threw it into the wormhole like a baseball.
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