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Superman has the same mindset as when he was fighting Damage, so speed is equalized here. Everyone has to fight using their physicals alone, no flying. All fights are in a UFC octagon.

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  • Morals on for everyone, In-Character
  • No flying or any powers except physicals
  • Win by submission, or KO
  • This is true Rebirth Superman, so all feats after Post Crisis onwards
  • 616 Marvel
  • No special equipment or weapons, just physicals

Here's the Rounds:

  1. Wolverine
  2. Colossus
  3. Ironman
  4. Red Hulk
  5. Silver Surfer
  6. Thor Odinson
  7. Hulk (regular Savage version)
  8. Ben "The Thing" Grimm
  9. Odin
  10. World War Hulk
  11. Zeus
  12. Classic Drax
  13. Mangog
  14. Thanos
  15. Galactus (starving)
  16. Galactus (fully fed)
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Stops at Odin

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#3  Edited By blackpantherisb

LOL why the hell is Ben above Hulk? Anyway stops at Odin who should be waayyyy higher.

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If Wolverine has his claws/healing factor/adamantium skeleton, frankly he stops there with speed equalized. Otherwise stops at Savage Hulk.

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  1. Wolverine - Lol
  2. Colossus - Superman
  3. Ironman - Superman
  4. Red Hulk - Superman
  5. Silver Surfer - Eh it depends, Silver Surfer usually isn’t that impressive physically (that might have changed with his most recent incarnation in Silver Surfer Black but I haven’t read it), he usually uses the power cosmic to either increase his stats or enhance his strikes
  6. Thor Odinson - Superman
  7. Hulk (regular Savage version) - Superman
  8. Ben "The Thing" Grimm - Superman
  9. Odin - Odin‘s prime days are long, long gone for the past years he’s consistently been depicted as around Thor level if not below so Superman again
  10. World War Hulk - Hulk has an insane healing factor plus rage empowerment, I don’t see Superman being able to overcome these without employing any of his other powers
  11. Zeus - Don’t know too much about Zeus, if he does and can operate at the level where he bullied the shit out of Hulk then he obviously wins
  12. Classic Drax - Drax I guess though again I don’t know too much about him
  13. Mangog - Mangog is so weird, the vast majority of his feats are beating Thor and other Thor level characters, his real asset is his godly durability, then again he got killed in the Sun lol
  14. Thanos - Thanos obviously
  15. Galactus (starving) - Lol
  16. Galactus (fully fed) - Lol
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If this was completely skill based he'd possibly stop at 3 but since physicals play a huge factor in this he stops at 9 or possibly 5

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LOL why the hell is Ben above Hulk? Anyway stops at Odin who should be waayyyy higher.

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@whathappened: So Ben is above Banner because he can win 1 out of 10 times?

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Shit order. Could stop at Savage Hulk. Brawling with a being who can heal and get stronger is not the best idea. Unless he KOes him before that happens. He definitely loses to Green Scar.

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Could stop at 5 since surfer can amp himself, but I do remember him somewhat struggling with a holding back thing so there’s that, he could also possibly stop at Thor but I don’t see him getting past hulk

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@alphamon: Can you show me Surfer amping his physicals? I always hear it being argued, but not once have anyone actually proved this ability, it's pretty much hearsay

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@alphamon: Thanks buddy. I don't think Surfer uses that ability often, clearly. But in this thread, all powers are not allowed. You gotta use your base strength.

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Toss up at Thor. Stops clean at Savage Hulk, through.

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Shit order. Could stop at Savage Hulk. Brawling with a being who can heal and get stronger is not the best idea. Unless he KOes him before that happens. He definitely loses to Green Scar.

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@whathappened: your welcome and dosen’t the thread state you can only use physical powers and wouldn’t this fall into that category ?

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This seems a little out of order. Here is my take:

  1. Wolverine- Superman easy
  2. Colossus- Superman easy
  3. Ironman- Superman easy
  4. Red Hulk- Superman Mid-Hard Difficulty
  5. Silver Surfer- Superman Mid Difficulty
  6. Thor Odinson- Toss up. Probably Thor. With speed being equal Thor has better skill, and same strength range.
  7. Hulk (regular Savage version)- Most likely Hulk. More savage fighting style will give him the advantage for any openings.
  8. Ben "The Thing" Grimm- Superman easy-mid difficulty
  9. Odin- Superman should be better against an odin with only physicals
  10. World War Hulk- Hulk
  11. Zeus- Loss
  12. Classic Drax- Similar to thor fight.
  13. Mangog- Loss
  14. Thanos- Loss
  15. Galactus (starving)- Loss
  16. Galactus (fully fed)- Loss
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@coolcat4 said:

This seems a little out of order. Here is my take:

  1. Wolverine- Superman easy
  2. Colossus- Superman easy
  3. Ironman- Superman easy
  4. Red Hulk- Superman Mid-Hard Difficulty
  5. Silver Surfer- Superman Mid Difficulty
  6. Thor Odinson- Toss up. Probably Thor. With speed being equal Thor has better skill, and same strength range.
  7. Hulk (regular Savage version)- Most likely Hulk. More savage fighting style will give him the advantage for any openings.
  8. Ben "The Thing" Grimm- Superman easy-mid difficulty
  9. Odin- Superman should be better against an odin with only physicals
  10. World War Hulk- Hulk
  11. Zeus- Loss
  12. Classic Drax- Similar to thor fight.
  13. Mangog- Loss
  14. Thanos- Loss
  15. Galactus (starving)- Loss
  16. Galactus (fully fed)- Loss

Thor having better skill then Superman is debatable, especially since Thor has no weapon here

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Stops at wolverine. Claws are part of his physicals.

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@lilbroomstick: That is true, but on average i would say you see Thor having better skill. Or at least more experience.

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Order is trash. Stops at 7 or 9.

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@coolcat4 said:

@lilbroomstick: That is true, but on average i would say you see Thor having better skill. Or at least more experience.

Thor is more skilled when it comes to weapons. Hand to hand, Superman is absolutely superior to him by feats, while Thor got choked out by Hercules (who's objectively far weaker than Superman). But this is h2h, what consistent feats match Superman lifting and moving earth or punching out moons?

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Stops at Odin

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#25  Edited By coolcat4

I wouldn't say Hercules is weaker than superman. He separated the heavens and the earth as well as many other good feats.

Thors feats that puts him in the same range as superman are: pushing the world engine, producing the force to knock a planet out of orbit, pulling a moon together, lifting his arm under a score of planets, lifting the World serpent. These should put him in the same ball park.

You could argue that old king Thor wasn't amping his strength when he had thrown a sun and planet. But i wouldn't use that.

And since this is rebirth superman only he doesn't have many skill feats. His striking is getting pretty good though.

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#26  Edited By Whathappened

@coolcat4: Your last two sentences tells me you didn't read the OP, which means your posts should be taken with a grain of salt. Also, most of those feats you mentioned are either outliers or non-feats, like for example the midgard serpent feat being a dream and never actually happened. Consistency is what I said.

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@lilbroomstick: Thing > Immortal Hulk > Savage Hulk

Can't tell if serious or completely inept as to what context or ABC logic is.

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@brucerogers said:

Shit order. Could stop at Savage Hulk. Brawling with a being who can heal and get stronger is not the best idea. Unless he KOes him before that happens. He definitely loses to Green Scar.

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Stops at Thanos

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@lilbroomstick: Yea i was suspecting, it's just hard to tell on comicvine considering all the things some people believe.

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Stops at 5.

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@underfire47: OP isn't trolling, it's just because XLR8's concept of tiering is really strange

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@whathappened: From my knowledge the Midgard serpent feat did happen. Also if those are all in the same range how is it inconsistent or outliers. He has demonstrated striking that is more impressive than these lifting feats consistently. So i would not say they are outliers.

And this is rebirth superman so how do my statements not match the op.

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#40  Edited By Whathappened

@darkhoudini: In your opinion, how strong do you think Thor & Surfer is? I always said he was around continent level using just his strength, but it seems many disagree since Thor has a bunch of feats putting him on earth-size strength (Superman level strength). And as for Surfer, the Thing was outmuscling him before he amped himself, and to me it seems like Thor is definitely the physically stronger one whenever they meet up (Norrin's mainly a blaster so it makes sense). But then again, Beta Ray Bill both lost and defeated Surfer, so it gets a little confusing.

@underfire47 said:
@whathappened said:

@lilbroomstick: Thing > Immortal Hulk > Savage Hulk

Can't tell if serious or completely inept as to what context or ABC logic is.

It was actually a joke about that meme, buddy. Does that answer your question?

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@coolcat4 said:

@whathappened: From my knowledge the Midgard serpent feat did happen. Also if those are all in the same range how is it inconsistent or outliers. He has demonstrated striking that is more impressive than these lifting feats consistently. So i would not say they are outliers.

And this is rebirth superman so how do my statements not match the op.

I may have worded it wrong, but I meant both Post Crisis and all feats after apply. We know this Superman is the exact same guy who did all that kung fu Kryptonian martial arts and training with Batman back in Pre-52. Also, check this out, the midgard serpent feat debunk:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/thor-vs-superman-in-durability-and-strength-745816/?page=1#js-message-8971609

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@whathappened: I think Thor is like small planet level+ but not quite capable of Earth level feats. Most of his high end strength feats actually have context. Like for example the midgard serpent feat or him and Herc supposedly almost arm wrestling a planet out of orbit which is actually an alternate univese future iirc. I don't know where I would place Surfer to be honest, I'd have to look over his feats again but he almost never fights purely h2h.

Btw you're not right in saying all of Post Crisis feats apply, a hell of a lot has been changed between continuities. You mentioned Superman's "kung fu Kryptonian martial arts" for example, well his martial arts feats during the New Krypton storyline in Post Crisis definitely WOULDN'T apply since that storyline never happened in Rebirth.

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@whathappened: Ah alright that did confuse me. Then Superman does have some good skill feats.

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@whathappened: I think Thor is like small planet level+ but not quite capable of Earth level feats. Most of his high end strength feats actually have context. Like for example the midgard serpent feat or him and Herc supposedly almost arm wrestling a planet out of orbit which is actually an alternate univese future iirc. I don't know where I would place Surfer to be honest, I'd have to look over his feats again but he almost never fights purely h2h.

Btw you're not right in saying all of Post Crisis feats apply, a hell of a lot has been changed between continuities. You mentioned Superman's "kung fu Kryptonian martial arts" for example, well his martial arts feats during the New Krypton storyline in Post Crisis definitely WOULDN'T apply since that storyline never happened in Rebirth.

I mean modern Thor does have 2 good planetary strength feats now that I think about it, that of him tossing a planet sized ship and Jane Thor and Hercules overpowering the force of the earth rapidly overrotating, which even individually should be over planetary.

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Superman being a better h2h fighter than Thor? Really not so sure about that. They are both above average.

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Superman being a better h2h fighter than Thor? Really not so sure about that. They are both above average.

I dunno if he is better at H2H, but he sure as hell hits a lot harder with his fists, so i don't think he would stop there.

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@battle123axe: He didnt‘t toss that ship like it was a baseball, according to the comic he fastened the ship to one of his hammers and then sent/commanded said hammer to fly though space... It was Jane plus Herc plus another a mutant which I’m forgetting the name of right now, surely an impressive feat but still shared between a number of characters, that‘s why I believe Thor to be close to (Earth sized) planetary in terms of raw strength but still not quite there.

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@underfire47: No, I don't think he would lose to Thor. He does have an edge in strength and raw durability. I see it going down like JLA/Avengers imo.

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@battle123axe: He didnt‘t toss that ship like it was a baseball, according to the comic he fastened the ship to one of his hammers and then sent/commanded said hammer to fly though space... It was Jane plus Herc plus another a mutant which I’m forgetting the name of right now, surely an impressive feat but still shared between a number of characters, that‘s why I believe Thor to be close to (Earth sized) planetary in terms of raw strength but still not quite there.

I mean that doesn't really make sense, the comic said that he "sent it flying", and it shows the hammer hurtling away a panel after you see him spinning it like he does when throwing every other hammer. Thor just letting the hammer go and commanding it to fly away wouldn't be something that i've ever seen him do, especially with a non-mjolnir hammer, and there's no reason why he wouldn't throw it.

Well, it was initially just Jane and Herc and then an amped Sunspot later joined in, and regardless at the pace the planet was spinning at slowing it's rotation to that degree would be earth level planetary even split up among the three of them.

I think there's good basis for him to be about Earth level planetary, maybe not much above that and maybe a bit below but around there, at least in the modern era.

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@battle123axe: I was always under the impression from all the Thor comics I’ve read that Thor could control his hammers after he’s thrown them and command them beyond where his raw strength would allow him to throw them to. The first instance that pops into mind is when he sent Mjolnir to the other side of the galaxy (even though the hammer was sent back by Odin before it could reach), I never read it as though Thor having enough strength to literally toss the hammer that distance, rather he threw it yes, providing some of the initial power but most of the distance would have been covered simply because Thor commanded the hammer to travel said distance... There’s probably a lot more appropriate examples but you know what I’m talking about. I think something similar happened it the instance we’re discussing, he definitely tossed the hammer like he always does but it was his command that made the hammer move all that distance and so achieve the necessary speed to take the prison planet with it.