Oh boy...Here we go then.
@zane240 said:
Prime is immune to magic and unless Umar is capable of universal + damage she isn't putting prime down for good
Otherwise she gets reality shattering punches to the face
She is capable of that and her feats back in Strange Tales#152/153, DSSS#22/Doctor Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts#71 and Doctor Strange#173 shows that Umar indeed operates at said level or maybe even higher by casually effecting/threatening entire realities(In the plural), not only that, but she scales directly from characters who are at least this powerful. Honestly, I also find funny you say she gets a reality-shattering punch to the face when even Strange's magic(Someone whose magic is far inferior to her per the official handbooks themselves and showings) allowed him to passively resist and be practically fine after reality broke like glass in Doctor Strange: Into Shamballa, as well other reality-effecting attacks like being compressed into 2D in Doctor Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts#27. Umar herself has a showing that could be used to argue against this too, but I'll get more into it below.
@zane240 said:
How does Umar defeat prime?
Prime is far stronger and more durable than she is. He's also immune to her magic so how does Umar win?
How about you give reasons instead of shit posting
Prime is far stronger, sure, but no more durable when his best quantifiable feat is taking the energy explosion of Monarch's armor...Umar herself was perfectly fine after taking to the face Dormammu's outburst that was destroying the whole Dark Dimension in DSSS#24, a pan-universal reality with an infinite number of spatial dimensions...As for the whole magic resistance thing, it's almost the same thing for Umar regarding physical attacks as Giant-Size Avengers#4 hints they might not be as effective against her given her physiology and it's reinforced by the fact that her brother is stated to be almost outright immune to them per Strange himself in Amazing Spider-Man Vol.2#57. Besides, Umar's powers follow the same lines as her brother's, which are more in the veins of cosmic powers than magic itself anyway.
And geeze, dude...Calm down a bit. Are you what? Twelve years old? There's no reason to get sassy with the guy for basically nothing, it's kinda of a juvenile attitude.
You know who has all those powers you mentioned? Most of the DC heroes superman prime beat in a weaker state as superboy prime
Heck even silver surfer possess those powers yet he would get stomped by prime
Having the same powers =/= Having the same powers, but at the same level. Just because someone has the power of telepathy, I wouldn't automatically say that is equal to the likes of Charles Xavier and so on. Basic logic, dude.
Versatility means nothing when you can't hurt the person you are fighting to begin with.
That's once again, hilarious. Versatility is for when you can't directly hurt your opponent since certain attacks or abilities bypass normal durability. Umar herself could just drain him like did with the allegedly multiversal powers of Eternity's DefendersVol.3#5 and be done with it, for example. Now, I could go on with this and address your other claims, some quite ridiculous like Mordru stomping her, although given you pretty much said this:
The fact is to defeat superman prime it would take nothing less than universal+ level attacks
Umar is not on that level thus she losses
It's quite enough, Umar does have feats on that level and did defeat opponents at least on that tier like her brother in Doctor Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts#9, so by your own words, she wins here. One thing I do find extremely interesting about your posts is that you admitted that doesn't know about Umar by asking others for her feats and my personal impression of your first post here, but right after assumes to know at what level she operates without any doubts in mind(Even though still kept asking for feats). Seems very hypocrite and downright pretentious of your part, if you ask me.
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