Superman (DCEU) & Neo VS Thor & Captain Marvel (MCU)

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Posted by BaneCapital (1157 posts) 2 months, 17 days ago

Poll: Superman (DCEU) & Neo VS Thor & Captain Marvel (MCU) (74 votes)

Superman & Neo 72%
Thor & Captain Marvel 28%
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#1 Posted by TheVVitchKing (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

Neo is too much

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#2 Posted by Eobard21 (6411 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

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#3 Posted by KanyeCosby (7342 posts) - - Show Bio

Neo solostomps everyone here.

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#4 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (17592 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman and Neo in the same team 😤😤😤

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#5 Edited by Waking_Dreamer (730 posts) - - Show Bio

Neo can only fly inside the Matrix...

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#6 Posted by DammeFavour (8519 posts) - - Show Bio

Either on team 1 solos

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#7 Posted by MattyBoi (1860 posts) - - Show Bio
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#8 Posted by Eredin12 (895 posts) - - Show Bio

Neo or Superman solo with complete ease

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#9 Posted by destinyman75 (15562 posts) - - Show Bio

Neo>>Anyone here so his team

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#10 Posted by Flashkings (300 posts) - - Show Bio

Leo solo while superman dig 2 graves and buy 2 casket🤣😂

RIP thor and CM

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#11 Edited by Richubs (6550 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman solos.

Neo bends his spoons on the sidelines and watch the small fight.

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#12 Edited by deactivated-5cd6fe3f211bb (353 posts) - - Show Bio

team 1 8/10

only b/c of superman though

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#14 Posted by BaneCapital (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

@waking_dreamer: It's obvious that everyone is within the Matrix as Neo's barely active outside it and of course Neo is not at his godlike peak level of his powers while Superman, Thor and Captain Marvel are using their abilities they've shown outside the Matrix and not the potential of everyone within it as described in Matrix lore. Let's say that Neo is training in some artificial reality simulation of Morpheus like in the first film or that the Matrix was created in a crossover universe where both Marvel and DC superheroes existed before Ultron or some doomsday scenario led to the dystopian future of the Matrix where the machines conquered all Earth and replicated the superheroes that existed before its fall so they are puppets of the Matrix. Superman is convinced by Neo but Thor and Captain Marvel are still bluepills because of their arrogance, which makes them so confident of their supposed godhood that they are ignoring the divine influence of the Matrix over their lives of fake glory. Superman and especially Henry Cavill's version is very humble and insecure on a degree that's probably too much, so he's closer to Neo and opposed to Thor's and Captain Marvel's pride more similar to Wonder Woman's.

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#15 Posted by FlashGreaterSignEveryone (1897 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by FlashGreaterSignEveryone (1897 posts) - - Show Bio

Neo>>Anyone here so his team

False, Superman is slightly stronger.

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#17 Posted by BaneCapital (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashgreatersigneveryone: I think that both Superman and Neo are slightly stronger than Thor and Carol Danvers but they are not as skilled as the Marvel characters, considering their lack of experience since they are only shown practicing how to use their powers for a few years or even less, with Neo being too inexperienced despite saying "I know kung fu" a mere second after being completely clueless about it, because Morpheus and the rest who taught him are clearly below Neo's status as "The One" which is needed against those comic characters, while Carol Danvers was shown to have costantly fought across the universe for over two decades while Thor is centuries old as the greatest warrior of his powerful Asgardian race.

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#18 Posted by blackpantherisb (7431 posts) - - Show Bio

Both Superman and Neo can solo. Team 1 curbstomps.

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#19 Posted by BaneCapital (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackpantherisb: Yeah I think a lot of people overrate Thor and Carol Danvers so explain yourself. I think Supes is stronger than either of them but way weaker than anyone who could solo both of them since they apparently like each other.

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#20 Posted by nightgate (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@banecapital: Supes bodies them both in a 1v1, and Carol loses more than Thor would.

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#21 Posted by BaneCapital (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightgate: You may be right but many more people consider Carol Danvers overpowered rather than Thor who's believed to be surpassed by Carol while Hulk was already considered too powerful to be the protagonist of MCU films just like Carol who got hated for her solo film. So explain yourself. And comparing Thor to both Carol and Hulk reminds me of She-Hulk deserving to be Marvel's most powerful female superhero instead of Carol.

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#22 Posted by blacharrt (1937 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2 with Neo being the weakest link. If Neo could stop bullets he would get killed by them. On top of that smith whom was hos equal was still beating him to death. His emp pulse would be useless here.

Thor has the highest damage output with storm breaker which was able to overpower all thr infinity stones. Thor Lightning cloak also give him add protection from assault.

Carol just on powerset and durability is the most powerful being here. Best strength feat holding off a skyscraper size planet killing missle. Best durability feat able to take a punch for the power gem wield by Thanos, shred through his massive ship like swiss cheese with no damage at all and take his bombardment with no damage. If this were CM movie pre awakening Supes would have a chance to hurt her. She is also a confirmed light speef character, best feat moving light speed while carrying speed ships.

Team 2 wins

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#23 Posted by nightgate (1363 posts) - - Show Bio
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#24 Posted by nightgate (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@blacharrt: Her lightspeed flight isn’t used in combat. Also, why can’t she be hurt again?

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#25 Posted by BaneCapital (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightgate: Why everyone saying that Carol Danvers is OP compared to either Superman or Thor are wrong?

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#26 Posted by captain_inverse (2377 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 handily

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#31 Edited by Eredin12 (895 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashgreatersigneveryone: "False, Superman is slightly stronger."

Superman is the only strogner in lifting strength, Neo is stronger in striking strength and is faster

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Neo And Smith with their punch created city-sized shockwaves that expands much faster than lighting which means that their punch was waster as well

Neo is more durable in blunt force durability than Superman.

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#32 Posted by FlashGreaterSignEveryone (1897 posts) - - Show Bio
@eredin12 said:

@flashgreatersigneveryone: "False, Superman is slightly stronger."

Superman is the only strogner in lifting strength, Neo is stronger in striking strength and is faster

Neo And Smith with their punch created city-sized shockwaves that expands much faster than lighting which means that their punch was waster as well

Neo is more durable in blunt force durability than Superman.

Those shockwaves did no damage to the surrounding buildings, even when the fought near the buildings the shockwaves didn't even knock out a window. Those strikes were weak af, all they did was push the rain away...

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#33 Posted by blackpantherisb (7431 posts) - - Show Bio

Both on the people on team 1 could probably solo, Neo definitely can.

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#34 Posted by TheVVitchKing (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

Neo solos all three of them honestly

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#35 Edited by BaneCapital (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: @blackpantherisb: @thevvitchking: @flashgreatersigneveryone: Well Superman in Man of Steel crushed countless buildings across half of Metropolis like some pieces of paper and he obviously wasn't doing that on purpose and considering how untrained and unfocused he was he should be much above his debut movie feats considering that Neo's feats from the third film are mentioned.

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#36 Posted by Eredin12 (895 posts) - - Show Bio

@banecapital: "Well Superman in Man of Steel crushed countless buildings across half of Metropolis"
I know but my point is Neo striking strength is just much better, same is with his speed and skill and blunt force durability.

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#37 Edited by Eredin12 (895 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashgreatersigneveryone:

"Those shockwaves did no damage to the surrounding buildings, even when the fought near the buildings the shockwaves didn't even knock out a window. Those strikes were weak af, all they did was push the rain away..."

You are missing point force needed to create a city-sized shockwave that expands that fast is extreme, much greater than anything Superman did , Superman could only create a mini 1-meter shockwave, those striking are extremly powerful

They are calculated to be like decent sized nukes, this is text from one of those calculations

"The shockwave is able to outpace lightning making Neo and Smith's attack in this scene relative to the speed of lighting which is 220,000 mph = 354,056 kmh = Mach 286.7. this does not take into account that the shockwave of their attack traveled 14 times faster than the detonation velocity of tnt. Their punches would have had the power of decent sized nukes behind them."

, the only reason it did not damage buildings is becase they were far too much away from buildings to do damage,

Like Nuke in BVS did nothing to the city.

this is what weakest and extremly extremly small shockwave they created did it when they were closer to city

And this is what also what much much much weaker and smaller shockwave then City shockwave did when they where closer to city

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It created a massive crater and destroyed a large portion of street

. This attack outputs the force of 1 kiloton bomb.

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Neo easily punched Smith through the building and send him flying hundreds of meters as Superman and Zod did, That is a best striking feat of Superman and Zod and that is fodder to Neo, he does that effortlessly

So again Neo is strogner in striking, Faster and more skilled and more durable in blunt force

"Those strikes were weak af"

I mean considering that Aquaman and Batman regularly tanked strikes from Angry Sueprman and even Wolf tanked them with ease and he was easily stomped by 3 parademons and Batman can beat few parademons, it is not that weak, right? Let's not lowball here, it's extremly good. That last shockwave did much more than damage windows.

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#38 Posted by Supermanforever (9322 posts) - - Show Bio

Neo solostomps everyone. He survived a punch from Smith that caused shockwave beyond megapolis level.

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#39 Posted by FlashGreaterSignEveryone (1897 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: you're trying to high ball and it is really obvious if you watched The Matrix. The only "Strike" Bodyslam that caused a shockwave that damaged anything above a window was this one. They do not punch with the power of nukes because a nuke dropped from this height would vaporize the city. In fact, Nukes a usually detonated above the ground for maximum damage....

Visually, the shockwaves look cool, but they do nothing but push rain.

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#40 Posted by BaneCapital (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: Superman was holding back when fighting Batman and Aquaman in Justice League.

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#41 Edited by Eredin12 (895 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashgreatersigneveryone:

"you're trying to high ball and it is really obvious if you watched The Matrix"

I do not, i think that you are overeating Superman.

. The only "Strike" Bodyslam that caused a shockwave that damaged anything above a window was this one. They do not punch with the power of nukes because a nuke dropped from this height would vaporize the city. In fact, Nukes a usually detonated above the ground for maximum damage....

Not really, strike or Slam is relevant shockwave did that damage and shockwave created by their strike was much bigger than their slam in ground

Shockwave in that video you posted now, destroyed large part of the street and that was calculated to be like 1 kiloton bomb, now their biggest city-sized shockwave that is much much more powerful than htis shockwave, the only reason it did not destroy something is becase they where far too much away from city to do that like nuke in BVS, and that is like decent sized nuke

"because a nuke dropped from this height would vaporize the city."

You are missing point, they where far too much away, nuke does not explode at this distance, same is how nuke in BVS Did not damage anything, their much weaker shockwave was like kiloton bomb , and most importantly its not always about collateral damage, for example, MCU Hulk can dent and heavily damage thick vibranum wall, much weaker vibranium can no sell city block busting attack and vbrnaium tanked city busting attack(Sokavia) Yet Hulk nearly destroyed it , does that mean that every strike from Hulk will vaporize city?. NoDCEU superman never even busted house. Same is here. Force needed to create a shockwave that expands faster than lightning is a force of decent sized nuke, shockwaves prove how powerful punch was, it does not matter if they dont destroy everything, Superman with his best strikes created only very samll shockwaves. Neo strikes are just much more powerful and that is fact.

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#42 Posted by FlashGreaterSignEveryone (1897 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: the nuke in BvS was detonated in low earth orbit dude..... Smith and Neo's shockwave was slightly above a city (which is where nukes are usually detonated to vaporize the city).

You are obviously high balling. That Thor Sokavia feat was not solely done by Thor it was Ironman and Thor overloading the spire that destroyed the city. That is the Third time you left out context for feats you are making claims for. You're either trolling or you purposely being ingenuous. I am no longer going to be responding to you if you are going to leave out context and high ball feats so shamelessly.

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#43 Edited by Eredin12 (895 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashgreatersigneveryone:

"Smith and Neo's shockwave was slightly above a city (which is where nukes are usually detonated to vaporize the city"

Again it's not always about collateral damage like i siad, to create a city-sized shockwave that expands faster than lighting you need the power of nuke behind it, my point is they where far away from city and much weaker shockwave they created destroyed large part of street

"You are obviously high balling. That Thor Sokavia feat was not solely done by Thor it was Ironman and Thor overloading the spire that destroyed the city. That is the Third time you left out context for feats you are making claims for. You're either trolling or you purposely being ingenuous. I am no longer going to be responding to you if you are going to leave out context and high ball feats so shamelessly.

hahaha I know that Thor is not City buster, i never said he was City Buster, i said VIBRANIUM TANKED CITY BUSTING and THOR TANKED THAT AS WELL, and Hulk almost destroyed thick vibranium, and Thanos 3 shotted Thor and almost killed him, does that mean that every punch from Hulk and Thanos will vaporize entire city? NO. but that is how powerful Hulk punches can be, they can destroy something that tanked city busting attack, it's not always about collateral damage, collateral dmaage is a very good way to prove the power of something but there are other ways as well that are just as good.

Superman never busted city block with his punch, but that does not mean that somone who can tank house busting is immune to punches from DCEU superman? No.

my point that is why Neo strikes are much more powerful than Superman. I never did anything without context, you simply misunderstood that i said

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#44 Posted by BaneCapital (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: Superman was striking his much weaker Kryptonian counterparts with obviously much more force than the one required to demolish entire buildings as merely collateral damage that was nevertheless much heavier than the shockwave caused by Neo and Smith in their final fight. Neo's physical strength is much lower than Superman's but I'm not lowballing him since he knows Kung Fu to make him Superman's equal.

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#45 Edited by Eredin12 (895 posts) - - Show Bio

@banecapital: Not really, Superman never really busted building when he fought Faora, Zod is not much weaker than Superman, He only punched someone through building, Neo and Smith did the same with ease, Superman is strogner than Neo in Lifting Strength but Neo is strogner than Sueprman in Striking Strength, even if Superman busted building( In fight with Zod) that is nothing comparable to city-sized shockwave that expands faster than lighting, that is power of decent sized nuke behind punch, like i said its not always about collateral damage. Superman can only create very samll shockwaves.

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#46 Posted by PsychicSpy (86 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

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#47 Posted by icec0ld (1421 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman wins easily.

1.) Neo has no powers, he can do crazy things in the matrix but that's irrelevant since the matrix is a digital reality, it's not real. And there he's simply a Superman clone anyway and what you can do is limited only by your self awareness and will power.

Outside of the matrix he's literally just a human.

2.) Thor gets laid out near instantly. He's been beaten in five punches or less by weaker than Superman, Thanos, hell, Ultron, kurse, and hulk all have beaten him down in short order. Clark would do it faster.

3.) Carol is the best match up here but she gets brutalized. Clark's faster stronger and far more durable. He steam rolls her.

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#48 Edited by Eredin12 (895 posts) - - Show Bio

@icec0ld: Neo only have powers in the matrix but the rule on the comic vine is that everyone has a source of their powers, for example, Vader only has powers in his universe, in DCEU unvierse force does not exist so he would not have powers. Flash only has powers in his unvierse, SPEED FORCE does not exist in Marvel so he would not have those powers there. but we assume that Neo has matrix powers in a fight like we assume that Vader has THE FORCE and Flash has SPEED FORCE.

And that is not true, i mean what you said for Thor, that is lowballing. Like, say for example Cyborg hurt and staggered Superman with very weak energy blast so Thor's lighting cloak one shoots him. I mean really?

Hulk never really hurt Thor, he was beating him with full force and there was not even scratch on Thor's face, he was not anywhere near knocked out, the same hulk almost thick destroyed vibranium with a punch, you know much weaker vibranium no solid city busting strike like nothing, and Vibranium tanked city busting, yet Hulk almost destroyed it , Thanos beating Thor is feat for Thanos, Ultron never beated Thor , neither did Kruse, Kurse did hurt him but that is feat for Kurse, and that was PHASE 1 Thor.