Superman and The Flash vs. Silver Surfer

Superman and Wally West VS Silver Surfer

-First round, in character.

-Second round, bloodlusted

-Fight takes place in Manhattan. Silver Surfer starts on his board at ground level. Superman and Flash are grounded(at the start) as well.

-Start 1,000 feet apart

-Win is by K.O, being otherwise incapacitated, or death.

-No destroying the planet as a means of victory.

I don't see how Superman or Flash can deal with the power cosmic. It allows for cosmic awareness, which instantly gives Surfer an idea on how to defeat them.

I give it to Norin both rounds because in round 1, I don't see Superman or Flash blitzing until they know what Surfer is all about, and by that time it would be too late. Round two seems like a no brainer to me. Bloodlusted Surfer is scary.

Is BFR allowed? If so Surfer wins this easier.

Round 1 - SS absorbs Supes solar energy and Wally is hit with 0.001% of the power cosmic and he's down for the count because with out his speed advantage he's just a regular huy 
Round 2 - Superman and Wally get a few shots in but no morals Surfer doesn't even bother absorbing his solar energy he just lets loose 
 
SS in a stomp both rounds

The Surfer takes both of them out in every scenario. He's not just faster than light in straightline speed, but combat and reaction speed as well. Not to mention every single other power he has at his disposal as well.

lol

Scans showing SS being able to react to someone as fast, or close to the same speed, as Wally?

Round 1- The Surfer has good chance here, he would most likely lose but in character his chances are actually pretty good.

Round 2- Wally solos, way too fast for Surfer and bloodlusted he can end the fight quickly.

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

Scans showing SS being able to react to someone as fast, or close to the same speed, as Wally?

Surfer has nano second reaction time I'm pretty sure. I'll flip through a few books and see if I can find some pages and I'll take pics.

Can you provide a scan of Wally speed blitzing against and unknown opponent who is comparable to Surfer?

@ToO_RaW said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

Scans showing SS being able to react to someone as fast, or close to the same speed, as Wally?

Surfer has nano second reaction time I'm pretty sure. I'll flip through a few books and see if I can find some pages and I'll take pics.

Superman and Flash both have better reaction feats than that.

Can you provide a scan of Wally speed blitzing against and unknown opponent who is comparable to Surfer?

Um, Thawne? Every single time they fight?

You realize Surfer has never blitzed anyone in his life, right? Ever?

@CitizenBane said:

@ToO_RaW said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

Scans showing SS being able to react to someone as fast, or close to the same speed, as Wally?

Surfer has nano second reaction time I'm pretty sure. I'll flip through a few books and see if I can find some pages and I'll take pics.

Superman and Flash both have better reaction feats than that.

Can you provide a scan of Wally speed blitzing against and unknown opponent who is comparable to Surfer?

Um, Thawne? Every single time they fight?

You realize Surfer has never blitzed anyone in his life, right? Ever?

So Wally just blitzes unfamiliar beings without thinking? lol I doubt he'd be that careless in round one.

And why would Surfer blitz anyone when he has so many other options?

@ToO_RaW said:

@CitizenBane said:

@ToO_RaW said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

Scans showing SS being able to react to someone as fast, or close to the same speed, as Wally?

Surfer has nano second reaction time I'm pretty sure. I'll flip through a few books and see if I can find some pages and I'll take pics.

Superman and Flash both have better reaction feats than that.

Can you provide a scan of Wally speed blitzing against and unknown opponent who is comparable to Surfer?

Um, Thawne? Every single time they fight?

You realize Surfer has never blitzed anyone in his life, right? Ever?

So Wally just blitzes unfamiliar beings without thinking? lol I doubt he'd be that careless in round one.

And why would Surfer blitz anyone when he has so many other options?

I was talking about Round 2.

Nice attempt at side-stepping the fact that Surfer has never blitzed anyone in his life.

@ToO_RaW said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

Scans showing SS being able to react to someone as fast, or close to the same speed, as Wally?

Surfer has nano second reaction time I'm pretty sure. I'll flip through a few books and see if I can find some pages and I'll take pics.

Can you provide a scan of Wally speed blitzing against and unknown opponent who is comparable to Surfer?

Wally has much faster reaction time than just nanosecond, and I believe his travel/combat speed are even faster than his reaction's.

No, but this scan does show how fast he is, and I have never seen a scan of SS being anywhere near this fast.

@TheMightyAvenger said:

Round 1- The Surfer has good chance here, he would most likely lose but in character his chances are actually pretty good.

Round 2- Wally solos, way too fast for Surfer and bloodlusted he can end the fight quickly.

How is Wally going to hurt Surfer?

@202122 said:

How is Wally going to hurt Surfer?

@202122 said:

@TheMightyAvenger said:

Round 1- The Surfer has good chance here, he would most likely lose but in character his chances are actually pretty good.

Round 2- Wally solos, way too fast for Surfer and bloodlusted he can end the fight quickly.

How is Wally going to hurt Surfer?

Would speed stealing not work on SS?

Or IMP/Speed force?

@202122 said:

@TheMightyAvenger said:

Round 1- The Surfer has good chance here, he would most likely lose but in character his chances are actually pretty good.

Round 2- Wally solos, way too fast for Surfer and bloodlusted he can end the fight quickly.

How is Wally going to hurt Surfer?

By hitting him? They all start on the ground, 1000 feet isn't a big distance. Surfer isn't going to dodge Wally in round 2.

@xeon1cs said:

@202122 said:

@TheMightyAvenger said:

Round 1- The Surfer has good chance here, he would most likely lose but in character his chances are actually pretty good.

Round 2- Wally solos, way too fast for Surfer and bloodlusted he can end the fight quickly.

How is Wally going to hurt Surfer?

By hitting him? They all start on the ground, 1000 feet isn't a big distance. Surfer isn't going to dodge Wally in round 2.

QFT

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Surfer is just as fast as Wally in what?

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Scans please. Surfer is not as fast as Wally Lol

I'm pretty sure he isn't even close to being as fast as him.

The scan I posted of Flash saving those 500k people shows him going at 10(?) trillion times the speed of light. Where has SS ever gone anywhere near that fast?

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Scans please. Surfer is not as fast as Wally Lol

I'm pretty sure he isn't even close to being as fast as him.

The scan I posted of Flash saving those 500k people shows him going at 10(?) trillion times the speed of light. Where has SS ever gone anywhere near that fast?

search the whole planet in seconds people need to wake up about SS speed

@jackofspades said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Scans please. Surfer is not as fast as Wally Lol

I'm pretty sure he isn't even close to being as fast as him.

The scan I posted of Flash saving those 500k people shows him going at 10(?) trillion times the speed of light. Where has SS ever gone anywhere near that fast?

search the whole planet in seconds people need to wake up about SS speed

I don't think you understand how fast 10 trillion times the speed of light is...

@jackofspades said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Scans please. Surfer is not as fast as Wally Lol

I'm pretty sure he isn't even close to being as fast as him.

The scan I posted of Flash saving those 500k people shows him going at 10(?) trillion times the speed of light. Where has SS ever gone anywhere near that fast?

search the whole planet in seconds people need to wake up about SS speed

Indeed. The Surfer is superliminal in reaction/combat speed as well. I copied my comment from a previous thread regarding the SS search of the plantet feat from SS Annual 5:

A common feat shown for reaction time is the Surfer's searching of the planet in only seconds (in the time it takes Dr Strange to utter a sentence and a 1/2). Many assume that the Surfer utilizes his cosmic senses to perform the search. This is incorrect. First of all, he would not have to leave to perform the search if he was going to search that way. Secondly, Strange already attempted a search of the planet in astral form, although he was blocked by Shanzar. The Surfer, realizing this, would have concluded a physical search was necessary if a search by astral form was unsuccessful (after all in SS Annual 2, it clearly indicates that Strage is on par with the Surfer in terms of search capabilities...). This is underscored by Hulk's comment upon his returrn, "That was impressive". Furthermore, after Delphi reveals to Strange that Namor/Rick Jones is at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean, once under water, Norrin, now utilizing his other senses (his far reaching vision in this instance) sees a light quite some way up ahead. Strange even comments about how glad he was that Surfer used his vision on that occasion. Therefore, in the span of about five seconds, The Surfer searched 5 billion people all over the entire planet. That is easily a superliminal feat, when you consider that, travelling in a straight line, one would have to circle the globe just over five times in a second to travel at light speed. In five seconds, the Surfer covered, not linear miles, but tens of millions of square miles (NOTE: this means in order for him to be completely thorough as he said he was, he would have to have searched utilizing his phasing abilities). Yeah, he has faster than light reflexes. Piece of cake.

A note about the Surfer: The Surfer has so many powers, its easier to talk about what he can't do. So when people write the Surfer, they don't think often in terms of his speed in relation to combat. That is because he usually uses energy strikes of some sort or energy/matter manipulation. But as the above feat indicates as well as numerous others, the Surfer is beyond light speed in terms of combat speed and reaction speed. Will we ever see him portrayed like a typical DC speedster? Nope. Particularly, when said DC speedsters main power is...speed. Not that they don't have some neat tricks like vibrating through solid matter, speed steal, etc...but chronicling Norrin's speed and emphasizing it the way writer's do for the DC speedsters you won't see. But is he faster than light? Oh yeah.

@Malevolent1 said:

@jackofspades said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Scans please. Surfer is not as fast as Wally Lol

I'm pretty sure he isn't even close to being as fast as him.

The scan I posted of Flash saving those 500k people shows him going at 10(?) trillion times the speed of light. Where has SS ever gone anywhere near that fast?

search the whole planet in seconds people need to wake up about SS speed

Indeed. The Surfer is superliminal in reaction/combat speed as well. I copied my comment from a previous thread regarding the SS search of the plantet feat from SS Annual 5:

A common feat shown for reaction time is the Surfer's searching of the planet in only seconds (in the time it takes Dr Strange to utter a sentence and a 1/2). Many assume that the Surfer utilizes his cosmic senses to perform the search. This is incorrect. First of all, he would not have to leave to perform the search if he was going to search that way. Secondly, Strange already attempted a search of the planet in astral form, although he was blocked by Shanzar. The Surfer, realizing this, would have concluded a physical search was necessary if a search by astral form was unsuccessful (after all in SS Annual 2, it clearly indicates that Strage is on par with the Surfer in terms of search capabilities...). This is underscored by Hulk's comment upon his returrn, "That was impressive". Furthermore, after Delphi reveals to Strange that Namor/Rick Jones is at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean, once under water, Norrin, now utilizing his other senses (his far reaching vision in this instance) sees a light quite some way up ahead. Strange even comments about how glad he was that Surfer used his vision on that occasion. Therefore, in the span of about five seconds, The Surfer searched 5 billion people all over the entire planet. That is easily a superliminal feat, when you consider that, travelling in a straight line, one would have to circle the globe just over five times in a second to travel at light speed. In five seconds, the Surfer covered, not linear miles, but tens of millions of square miles (NOTE: this means in order for him to be completely thorough as he said he was, he would have to have searched utilizing his phasing abilities). Yeah, he has faster than light reflexes. Piece of cake.

A note about the Surfer: The Surfer has so many powers, its easier to talk about what he can't do. So when people write the Surfer, they don't think often in terms of his speed in relation to combat. That is because he usually uses energy strikes of some sort or energy/matter manipulation. But as the above feat indicates as well as numerous others, the Surfer is beyond light speed in terms of combat speed and reaction speed. Will we ever see him portrayed like a typical DC speedster? Nope. Particularly, when said DC speedsters main power is...speed. Not that they don't have some neat tricks like vibrating through solid matter, speed steal, etc...but chronicling Norrin's speed and emphasizing it the way writer's do for the DC speedsters you won't see. But is he faster than light? Oh yeah.

thank you beautifully put

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@jackofspades said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Scans please. Surfer is not as fast as Wally Lol

I'm pretty sure he isn't even close to being as fast as him.

The scan I posted of Flash saving those 500k people shows him going at 10(?) trillion times the speed of light. Where has SS ever gone anywhere near that fast?

search the whole planet in seconds people need to wake up about SS speed

I don't think you understand how fast 10 trillion times the speed of light is...

and you do understand how fast he would have to go to search the whole planet or you just don't want to understand

@ToO_RaW said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

Scans showing SS being able to react to someone as fast, or close to the same speed, as Wally?

Surfer has nano second reaction time I'm pretty sure. I'll flip through a few books and see if I can find some pages and I'll take pics.

Can you provide a scan of Wally speed blitzing against and unknown opponent who is comparable to Surfer?

Flash has attosecond reaction time which is a billion times faster than nano second

On top of that Flash is 13 trillion times faster than light

I know the Surfer fans will cry but the fact is a blood lusted Flash would kill Surfer in the blink of an eye

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Scans please. Surfer is not as fast as Wally Lol

I'm pretty sure he isn't even close to being as fast as him.

The scan I posted of Flash saving those 500k people shows him going at 10(?) trillion times the speed of light. Where has SS ever gone anywhere near that fast?

It states in the scan that he's going just below the speed of light.

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Surfer isn't on the same planet as Wally when it comes to speed. By the time Surfer blinks Flash can and will kill him,

@jackofspades said:

and you do understand how fast he would have to go to search the whole planet or you just don't want to understand

The earth is 25,000 miles wide. 25,000 x 25,000 625,000,000 miles. Strange was able to talk to Hulk for a few seconds when Surfer went to check the planet. So I'd say 4-5 seconds. That would mean if Surfer searched the planet inch by inch he would of gone 840x the speed of light

13 Trillion>>840

Surfer isn't 0.00000001% as fast as Flash and can do nothing to stop a blitz. I know Surfer fans will cry their eyes out but Flash blood lusted would murder Surfer

@Sideslash said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Scans please. Surfer is not as fast as Wally Lol

I'm pretty sure he isn't even close to being as fast as him.

The scan I posted of Flash saving those 500k people shows him going at 10(?) trillion times the speed of light. Where has SS ever gone anywhere near that fast?

It states in the scan that he's going just below the speed of light.

The writer made a mistake, mathematically speaking it's 13 trillion times faster than light. By the time Surfer blinks he will be killed.

Surfer stomps both rounds way to easy, he is faster and stronger than both as proved above.

@Sideslash: It could state he's going 5 miles per hour. Time and distance is provided, we can do the math.

@overachiver said:

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Surfer isn't on the same planet as Wally when it comes to speed. By the time Surfer blinks Flash can and will kill him,

@jackofspades said:

and you do understand how fast he would have to go to search the whole planet or you just don't want to understand

The earth is 25,000 miles wide. 25,000 x 25,000 625,000,000 miles. Strange was able to talk to Hulk for a few seconds when Surfer went to check the planet. So I'd say 4-5 seconds. That would mean if Surfer searched the planet inch by inch he would of gone 840x the speed of light

13 Trillion>>840

Surfer isn't 0.00000001% as fast as Flash and can do nothing to stop a blitz. I know Surfer fans will cry their eyes out but Flash blood lusted would murder Surfer

@Sideslash said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@202122 said:

@xeon1cs: You realise Surfer is just as fast as Wally, yeah he'll get some hits in but nothing that will do even a little damage

@ImBoredLetsDebate: Not when Surfer is just as fast as Wally

Scans please. Surfer is not as fast as Wally Lol

I'm pretty sure he isn't even close to being as fast as him.

The scan I posted of Flash saving those 500k people shows him going at 10(?) trillion times the speed of light. Where has SS ever gone anywhere near that fast?

It states in the scan that he's going just below the speed of light.

The writer made a mistake, mathematically speaking it's 13 trillion times faster than light. By the time Surfer blinks he will be killed.

This guy gets it.

On top of the fact that slow losers like Thor Thanos and Hulk have tagged Surfer. Supes can stand back while Flash beats Surfer to death

This will be Surfer after he gets steamrolled by Flash

@ImBoredLetsDebate:Superman is faster than Surfer when it comes to reaction and combat speed. Surfer is faster in travel speed

In both reaction and travel speed Flash leaves both in the dust though

Flash doesn't even stand a chance, surfer wins.

@overachiver: really? Surfer reacted to the runner who is faster than everybody in this thread.

@Pyrogram said:

@overachiver: really? Surfer reacted to the runner who is faster than everybody in this thread.

Let me know when Runner can run across the universe in an instant, let me know when Runner can run through the time stream, let me know when Runner can outrun the freaking Big Bang

Actually, let me know when Runner stops losing to Makarri in a race

Surfer also got destroyed by the Runner.

@overachiver said:

@Pyrogram said:

@overachiver: really? Surfer reacted to the runner who is faster than everybody in this thread.

Let me know when Runner can run across the universe in an instant, let me know when Runner can run through the time stream, let me know when Runner can outrun the freaking Big Bang

Surfer also got destroyed by the Runner.

Lol the runner can do those while sleeping.

@overachiver:

Reacting to him.

@Pyrogram: That isn't reacting to him, Runner was toying with Surfer before he ended up bashing his face in

And again, Makkari beat Runner in a race.

@overachiver: He smacked him in this face that is reacting.

@Pyrogram said:

@overachiver said:

@Pyrogram said:

@overachiver: really? Surfer reacted to the runner who is faster than everybody in this thread.

Let me know when Runner can run across the universe in an instant, let me know when Runner can run through the time stream, let me know when Runner can outrun the freaking Big Bang

Surfer also got destroyed by the Runner.

Lol the runner can do those while sleeping.

lol Runner can do those while sleeping..must explain why he couldn't beat Makkari in a race...

@Pyrogram said:

@overachiver:

Reacting to him.

Lol@saying SS can react to The Runner. The scan clearly shows otherwise. Nice of you to ignore the first scan and move on to the fight where The Runner is playing with him

@ImBoredLetsDebate: He obviously can or else how did they engage in H2H?

@Pyrogram said:

@overachiver: He smacked him in this face that is reacting.

Not if he's toying with him.

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

Lol@saying SS can react to The Runner. The scan clearly shows otherwise.

Exactly, a guy who isn't as fast as Makkari beat Surfer's ass. Runner is dangerous with the space gem, without it Runner is a chump .

@overachiver: That is like saying without the cosmic energy Surfer is weak, without the hammer Thor is weak. That is not fair.

@Pyrogram said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate: He obviously can or else how did they engage in H2H?

Sweet Jesus do you listen to yourself?? Runner kicked Surfer's ass. Runner was toying with him and he still destroyed him.

@Pyrogram said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate: He obviously can or else how did they engage in H2H?

The Runner was obviously playing with him the entire time. He allowed H2H engagement just to spite SS.

@overachiver: Proof in scans > Maths.

The Flash didn't go FTL in that scan. And it's irrelevant since the nuke feat is New 52 and the Flash that performed that feat was Barry Allen, not Wally West.

@Pyrogram said:

@overachiver: That is like saying without the cosmic energy Surfer is weak, without the hammer Thor is weak. That is not fair.

No, the power cosmic is Surfer's power, Mjolnir is Thor's standard equipment, the space gem is something that anyone who wields it will become powerful.