Superman and Hulk vs Hal Jorden and Wonder Woman

RULES

• PRE 52 versions for dc characters
• 616 immortal hulk
• Morals off
• No bfr
• Perfect Teamwork
• Starts 50 m away from each other
• Standard Gear
• No prep

BATTLEFIELD

Who Wins ?

Superman can solo

Team 1.

@randybutternubs: lol definitely not

WW allout can take him

Who says Superman isn't going out as well? lol idk about that, only reason why i think he could solo is due to the op allowing pre-crisis

@randybutternubs:

I think he probably just means post crisis.

I assume supes would also, but IMO WW superior skill/weapons/smarter fighter is what gets her the win even though not as powerful.

Was going to say team 2 with Hal being able to BFR Hulk but now its even tougher for them.

It does say pre....but if he meant post crisis then he wouldn't solo but i still think team 1 wins.

Yes WW is formidable fighter the best in the JL her weapons can harm Clark but if they are going all out I don't see her being able to tag him. That's where the downfall i believe in this fight, that;s what Superman has the advantage over, I'm aware shes fast as well but Supes is faster, if this is going all out like I said I don't really see how shes going to be tagging him much. and not to mention he does have abilities of his own, he doesn't have to fight up close.

Serious Superman>Serious Diana but thats just IMO

@randybutternubs:

Supes speed advantage is ONLY his flight speed(traveling), Fighting/reaction speed WW takes him at that point. This has actually been established post crisis.

Wonder woman is faster than anyone here in terms of fighting/combat speed

Hal Jordan is the most versatile in this battle next is maybe WW/Superman

Superman is definitely the strongest here and arguably more durable

Hulk is either the most durable or second, and his strength is more than WW nd Hal

The only thing that can outright kill wonder woman is piercing weapon which superman nd hulk lacks, and wonder women's sword can pierce both sups nd hulk, and hal can BFR hulk

I'd give Wonder woman nd Hal the slight edge 6/10

Superman has some good Fighting/Reaction speeds

Superman throwing over 3,200 punches in less than a second.

Superman fighting Wonder Woman from the Earth to the Sun and back in under two minutes. Light takes about 8 minutes for a one-way trip.

Theres a few

Hal > Superman = Hulk > Wonder Woman

Team 1 takes out Wonder Woman and 2v1 Hal or Hal takes out Hulk or Superman before Wonder Woman go down and 2v1.

Either way, I think team 1 takes the majority here.

@randybutternubs: I'm not saying he doesn't have great speed feat reactions just that it has been established directly in comparison that WW is faster(it's been actually stated), even by third party ala batman(who knows there capabilities better then anyone pertty much) has said this.

I don't have the scans sadly but maybe someone can help out with that

Even so, If i'm not mistaken, hasn't Clark won the majority when they had fought each other?

I believe Hal makes all the difference here in terms of versatility. And Hulk only has brute force versus Diane's lasso and Hal's constructs. Don't think brute strength is an answer to either of these elements.

Hal is the MVP, but Wonder Woman is a weak link, so it depends how they play it.

Backing team 2, though.

Team 1 in a stomp

Superman or hulk both curbstomp wonder woman, and then hal gets double team stomped.

Team 2.

How? Diana is a non factor with both superman and hulk here, the latter who can easily one shot her since he can crack thor level opponents' skulls in one hit. Plus, his healing factor is wayyyyyy too good for her to do anything to him.

@kalkent: Well, it's far from being easy, I think they can pull it off due to Hal's hax, and I wouldn't say Diana is a non factor.

Superman shown as faster than WW in multiple direct comparisons/showings in different comic book series including WW’s own book, Comic Vine: I sleep

Batman once saying WW is faster than Clark, Comic Vine: Real shit?

OT: Team 1 handily.

Diana is already inferior to a blood-lusted superman, Hulk, who has the ability to literally one shot kill her combined with the fact that she can't inflict any serious harm on him, is the icing on the cake. There is no way Hal is taking superman+ another opponent above superman at once.

@kalkent: Being inferior doesn't instantly mean being fodder. And I don't think Hal can take Superman/Hulk at the same time, but with Diana, it's a different story.

@randybutternubs:

Not really. They really never had a true battle where circumstance and context are not heavily a factor one way or the other for one of them.

Maxwell Lord brain washed fight is best Indicator really, where we got a allout supes, can argue also had somewhat of a sun amp within that fight vs a not allout WW

Still don't see her beating all out Superman.

team 1

Hulk solos under these conditions.

And he only said that because she was walking in front of him, looking at her booty

Team 1 easily. They can't put down Hulk and WW is kind of a weak link.

Depends on if PIS is involved. If it is, then Superman one shots Diana and Hal jobs as a joker.

Without it, Wonder Woman can take on Superman and incapacitate him same way she did when Max took control over him while Hal puts down the Hulk.

Team 2 wins.

With PIS, Superman solo stomps.

When has Superman stomped WW in a canon DC story. Pre52 at that.

That Maxwell thing got explained to Death here some people are just that ignorant

@lightingjack:

Care to elaborate?!

Team 1.