Post Crisis Supergirl
Win by any means
@jagernutt please dont get mad for calling you out but I noticed you debate well for both of these.
Considering that Mjolnir broke off Juggernaut's face, Kara isn't so much as denting Cain physically.
She would have to abuse her speed to hope for BFR, which isn't at all in her character to do.
Supergirl can't hurt him and unless she abuses her speed really well (which I have never seen her do), she can best hope for a stalemate or BFR.
It's actually in character for her to abuse speed if she realizes strength won't work. She used it against the Female Furies in Superman/Supergirl: Maelstrom #5:
Then there's her BFRing Maelstrom into space in the same issue:
Kara BFRs Clayface via speed:
She also doesn't neccessarily need to blitz to BFR him. She can just freeze-breath him like she did Clayface:
This is, quite interestingly, a tactic that worked well on Cain in the past:
On topic: Obviously, Juggernaut has the advantage in the durability and strength department, but he isn't packing anything Kara hasn't dealt with. Her edges in speed and versatility should give her the win in a good fight.
@wollfmyth209: While I agree BFR is on the table, in your scans she very clearly isn't doing it before the BFRees can register what is happening, given the fact that we clearly see them interact with her en route. Doing something like that against Juggernaut is a very bad idea since that will allow him to grab and overpower her.
As for the Iceman instance, I would chalk it up to a glaring inconsistency since Iceman has failed to do just that multiple times in the past. Also, is her freeze breath as powerful as his ice powers to begin with?
@brucerogers: While I agree BFR is on the table, in your scans she very clearly isn't doing it before the BFRees can register what is happening, given the fact that we clearly see them interact with her en route. Doing something like that against Juggernaut is a very bad idea since that will allow him to grab and overpower her.
In her defense, she wasn't exactly going taking the Furies or Clayface seriously. She took Maelstrom into space immediately after one sentence. Then she only talked to 'Strom again in space while she was losing air.
As for the Iceman instance, I would chalk it up to a glaring inconsistency since Iceman has failed to do just that multiple times in the past.
I don't recall him failing any time before, other than his teenage self who still managed to restrain him for a few seconds. But I don't think it's fair to compare 16 year old Bobby and a much more powerful and mature Robert. This Iceman did fail before, but that's because, much like any hero, he doesn't go all-out immediately off the bat. The moment he realized he has to end the fight, he just BFRed him.
Also, is her freeze breath as powerful as his ice powers to begin with?
It was powerful enough to freeze Ultraman and Doomsday. I'd wager it can restrain Juggernaut long enough for her to do something of note.
@wollfmyth209: So do you have any instances of her doing it faster than thought?
I need to check but I am pretty sure a grown up Bobby has failed to freeze Juggs too. But even if she does freeze him, what is she going to do next? Short of BFR.
Even if she resorts to a BFR, how is she going to move him?
If she immobilizes him in a block of ice or some environmental hazard, like Deadpool burying him in cement, then she could just burrow underground and throw the chunk of ground he's standing on into space.
@brucerogers: So do you have any instances of her doing it faster than thought?
Well, the example with Maelstrom was instantaneous. She flew her into space in-between sentences, basically. It's not exactly outside of Supergirl's capabilities to fly at such speeds.
I need to check but I am pretty sure a grown up Bobby has failed to freeze Juggs too.
Possible, though she won't need to restrain him for long.
But even if she does freeze him, what is she going to do next? Short of BFR.
Honestly, she could then resort to beating the devil into him while he's immobilized like she did the Doomsday clone, but I think a BFR would be her smartest move.
@wollfmyth209: Yeah I wasn't doubting her speed but I just want to know if she can do it before he can process a thought. I mean, Maelstorm clearly did get words in before the scene is cut to space. We don't know if that meant that she did it faster than thought or it was just a simple jump cut between pages, which is done to conserve details.
Again disregarding BFR, I honestly doubt her ability to do any actual damage to him.
And if you don't mind, can you post the Doomsday instance or give an issue number?.
@saren: I really hope you're not seriously using the PIS instance of Deadpool cementing Cain as the base of your argument.
Why not? There isn't any substantial difference between that and any other time an environmental hazard has been used to immobilize Juggernaut, like Spider-Man dumping Cain in cement or Iceman dumping him in a pool of water/freezing him in a block of ice.
Unless Supergirl's an idiot, she wins. People forget that Juggernaut, like most '60s Marvel villains, has a classic personality flaw: he's not clever enough to fully understand what he can do with his abilities, or to think up ways to use them to counteract his cleverer enemies' plans. Every time he moves on from that to become something else, he's rubber-banded back to that state so they can tell the same story again.
Supergirl, on the other hand, is often written as impetuous and prone to mistakes when she doesn't stop and think, but after that, she just as often saves the day through intelligent use of her abilities as she does by overwhelming her enemy with sheer force. She's exactly the sort to go up against Juggernaut in a story and, after a momentary set-back, beat him in some way that, well, at least the writer feels it's clever.
People wonder why Juggernaut has been beaten so often, and it's because that's the heart of Juggernaut's story, that his britches are too big for him, rather than the other way around. After all, this is a guy who was granted the power to thrash the gods of ancient myth, but for years, he used it to 1) smash up his brother's house, 2) rob banks and 3) act as muscle for hire. He's sort of a tragic figure, if not a terribly sympathetic one in most stories.
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