Supergirl vs Juggernaut

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#1 Posted by MaiitoGuy8 (491 posts) - - Show Bio
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Post Crisis Supergirl

Win by any means

Who wins?

@jagernutt please dont get mad for calling you out but I noticed you debate well for both of these.

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#2 Posted by PhoenixTitan (899 posts) - - Show Bio

Kara

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#4 Posted by ParagonNate (4661 posts) - - Show Bio

Supergirl

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#5 Posted by BruceRogers (17775 posts) - - Show Bio

Supergirl can't hurt him and unless she abuses her speed really well (which I have never seen her do), she can best hope for a stalemate or BFR.

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#6 Posted by ProteusXManRxis (4493 posts) - - Show Bio

Supergirl can't hurt him and unless she abuses her speed really well (which I have never seen her do), she can best hope for a stalemate or BFR.

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#7 Edited by decaf_wizard (17257 posts) - - Show Bio

Considering that Mjolnir broke off Juggernaut's face, Kara isn't so much as denting Cain physically.

She would have to abuse her speed to hope for BFR, which isn't at all in her character to do.

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#8 Posted by TonyStark6999 (2735 posts) - - Show Bio

Supergirl can't hurt him and unless she abuses her speed really well (which I have never seen her do), she can best hope for a stalemate or BFR.

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#9 Posted by KeyserSoze (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Kara balls here, obviously

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#10 Posted by Toratorn (8296 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggs is too tough. Especially considering current Cain is supposed to be the strongest version of Juggs.

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#11 Edited by WollfMyth209 (17488 posts) - - Show Bio
@decaf_wizard said:

Considering that Mjolnir broke off Juggernaut's face, Kara isn't so much as denting Cain physically.

She would have to abuse her speed to hope for BFR, which isn't at all in her character to do.

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Supergirl can't hurt him and unless she abuses her speed really well (which I have never seen her do), she can best hope for a stalemate or BFR.

It's actually in character for her to abuse speed if she realizes strength won't work. She used it against the Female Furies in Superman/Supergirl: Maelstrom #5:

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Then there's her BFRing Maelstrom into space in the same issue:

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Kara BFRs Clayface via speed:

Superman/Batman #19
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She also doesn't neccessarily need to blitz to BFR him. She can just freeze-breath him like she did Clayface:

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Supergirl #33

This is, quite interestingly, a tactic that worked well on Cain in the past:

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Iceman #5

On topic: Obviously, Juggernaut has the advantage in the durability and strength department, but he isn't packing anything Kara hasn't dealt with. Her edges in speed and versatility should give her the win in a good fight.

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#12 Edited by BruceRogers (17775 posts) - - Show Bio

@wollfmyth209: While I agree BFR is on the table, in your scans she very clearly isn't doing it before the BFRees can register what is happening, given the fact that we clearly see them interact with her en route. Doing something like that against Juggernaut is a very bad idea since that will allow him to grab and overpower her.

As for the Iceman instance, I would chalk it up to a glaring inconsistency since Iceman has failed to do just that multiple times in the past. Also, is her freeze breath as powerful as his ice powers to begin with?

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#13 Posted by WollfMyth209 (17488 posts) - - Show Bio

@brucerogers: While I agree BFR is on the table, in your scans she very clearly isn't doing it before the BFRees can register what is happening, given the fact that we clearly see them interact with her en route. Doing something like that against Juggernaut is a very bad idea since that will allow him to grab and overpower her.

In her defense, she wasn't exactly going taking the Furies or Clayface seriously. She took Maelstrom into space immediately after one sentence. Then she only talked to 'Strom again in space while she was losing air.

As for the Iceman instance, I would chalk it up to a glaring inconsistency since Iceman has failed to do just that multiple times in the past.

I don't recall him failing any time before, other than his teenage self who still managed to restrain him for a few seconds. But I don't think it's fair to compare 16 year old Bobby and a much more powerful and mature Robert. This Iceman did fail before, but that's because, much like any hero, he doesn't go all-out immediately off the bat. The moment he realized he has to end the fight, he just BFRed him.

Also, is her freeze breath as powerful as his ice powers to begin with?

It was powerful enough to freeze Ultraman and Doomsday. I'd wager it can restrain Juggernaut long enough for her to do something of note.

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

Even if she resorts to a BFR, how is she going to move him?

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#15 Edited by BruceRogers (17775 posts) - - Show Bio

@wollfmyth209: So do you have any instances of her doing it faster than thought?

I need to check but I am pretty sure a grown up Bobby has failed to freeze Juggs too. But even if she does freeze him, what is she going to do next? Short of BFR.

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#16 Posted by Saren (27941 posts) - - Show Bio

Even if she resorts to a BFR, how is she going to move him?

If she immobilizes him in a block of ice or some environmental hazard, like Deadpool burying him in cement, then she could just burrow underground and throw the chunk of ground he's standing on into space.

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#17 Posted by Lord_of_Light (192 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut wrecks her.

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#18 Posted by Toratorn (8296 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: I really hope you're not seriously using the PIS instance of Deadpool cementing Cain as the base of your argument.

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#19 Posted by WollfMyth209 (17488 posts) - - Show Bio

@brucerogers: So do you have any instances of her doing it faster than thought?

Well, the example with Maelstrom was instantaneous. She flew her into space in-between sentences, basically. It's not exactly outside of Supergirl's capabilities to fly at such speeds.

I need to check but I am pretty sure a grown up Bobby has failed to freeze Juggs too.

Possible, though she won't need to restrain him for long.

But even if she does freeze him, what is she going to do next? Short of BFR.

Honestly, she could then resort to beating the devil into him while he's immobilized like she did the Doomsday clone, but I think a BFR would be her smartest move.

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#20 Edited by BruceRogers (17775 posts) - - Show Bio

@wollfmyth209: Yeah I wasn't doubting her speed but I just want to know if she can do it before he can process a thought. I mean, Maelstorm clearly did get words in before the scene is cut to space. We don't know if that meant that she did it faster than thought or it was just a simple jump cut between pages, which is done to conserve details.

Again disregarding BFR, I honestly doubt her ability to do any actual damage to him.

And if you don't mind, can you post the Doomsday instance or give an issue number?.

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#21 Posted by Saren (27941 posts) - - Show Bio

@toratorn said:

@saren: I really hope you're not seriously using the PIS instance of Deadpool cementing Cain as the base of your argument.

Why not? There isn't any substantial difference between that and any other time an environmental hazard has been used to immobilize Juggernaut, like Spider-Man dumping Cain in cement or Iceman dumping him in a pool of water/freezing him in a block of ice.

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#22 Posted by jagernutt (17805 posts) - - Show Bio

@maiitoguy8:

Wow. I accidentally happened on a personal call out.lol. Im flattened actually.

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#23 Posted by GreatKirbysGhost (321 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless Supergirl's an idiot, she wins. People forget that Juggernaut, like most '60s Marvel villains, has a classic personality flaw: he's not clever enough to fully understand what he can do with his abilities, or to think up ways to use them to counteract his cleverer enemies' plans. Every time he moves on from that to become something else, he's rubber-banded back to that state so they can tell the same story again.

Supergirl, on the other hand, is often written as impetuous and prone to mistakes when she doesn't stop and think, but after that, she just as often saves the day through intelligent use of her abilities as she does by overwhelming her enemy with sheer force. She's exactly the sort to go up against Juggernaut in a story and, after a momentary set-back, beat him in some way that, well, at least the writer feels it's clever.

People wonder why Juggernaut has been beaten so often, and it's because that's the heart of Juggernaut's story, that his britches are too big for him, rather than the other way around. After all, this is a guy who was granted the power to thrash the gods of ancient myth, but for years, he used it to 1) smash up his brother's house, 2) rob banks and 3) act as muscle for hire. He's sort of a tragic figure, if not a terribly sympathetic one in most stories.

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#24 Posted by xMangog__Beastx (4756 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut.

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#25 Posted by Taskofwar (600 posts) - - Show Bio

Kara

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#26 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12367 posts) - - Show Bio

Supergirl uses her speed properly she wins. Unlike Power Girl she also BFRs a lot.

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#27 Posted by MaiitoGuy8 (491 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#28 Edited by DESPERO_Z_AMAZO (440 posts) - - Show Bio

Cain.

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#29 Posted by King-Ragnar (4914 posts) - - Show Bio

Cain rips her spine out.

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#30 Posted by WollfMyth209 (17488 posts) - - Show Bio

Why was this bumped? Juggs smacks her, unless Kara manages to BFR him.

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#31 Posted by EternalDarkFury (3404 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggs.

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#32 Posted by Kidolio (1560 posts) - - Show Bio

Kara eventually, juggernaut is to slow. BFR is her only option though

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#33 Posted by The_Red_Devil (5113 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut stomps.

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#34 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio

juggy

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#35 Posted by Consciouskeeper (2596 posts) - - Show Bio

Kara

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#36 Posted by FireStarLord73194 (5706 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut is stronger and has better durability. I see him winning more often than naught

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#37 Posted by X_SuperKal-El_X (56 posts) - - Show Bio

Supergirl

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#38 Posted by eri123 (5282 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut

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#39 Posted by Jormungandr-Jay (128 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut.

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#40 Posted by TakenStew22 (4517 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggs.

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#41 Posted by Kidolio (1560 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay don’t know why people are saying juggernaut he’s slow and Kara isn’t her cousin that likes to tank everything. She’s gonna win eventually, Bfr is not off.

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#42 Edited by Rac95 (5708 posts) - - Show Bio

It's one of those classic Juggernaut fights, BFR on and his enemy wins, without it Cain takes it

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#43 Posted by King-Ragnar (4914 posts) - - Show Bio

Needless bump.

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#44 Edited by Bayman007 (2498 posts) - - Show Bio

Kara

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#45 Posted by Idancedance (38 posts) - - Show Bio

@rac95 said:

It's one of those classic Juggernaut fights, BFR on and his enemy wins, without it Cain takes it