Fight in NYC. No morals no BFR no amp ups standard levels. As pictured.
Superboy Prime,H'el Vs Darkseid,Thanos.
Going with Team 1. H'el can hold off Darkseid long enough for Prime to beat Thanos. Then they take turns whupping ass as a double team.
Thinking about siding with team one due to Prime. But I want to hear what Hel can due because he was an interesting character and havent heard from him in a while.
Going with Team 1. H'el can hold off Darkseid long enough for Prime to beat Thanos. Then they take turns whupping ass as a double team.
prime will just blitz darkseid easly. so its pretty much 2 vs 1 here.
@supermanforever: Prime would stomp Darkseid but H'el would lose badly to Thanos. If the matchup swings that way, it'd be a 1v1 again between Prime and Thanos after the weak links are cut loose.
@supermanforever: I don't recall Prime blitzing people that often, if at all.
@supermanforever: I don't recall Prime blitzing people that often, if at all.
he is more than fast enough to do it. He also has used combat speed to his advantage couple of times. Besides he wont need to blitz to take down Darkseid. He is faaar above new 52 darkseid.
@supermanforever: Prime would stomp Darkseid but H'el would lose badly to Thanos. If the matchup swings that way, it'd be a 1v1 again between Prime and Thanos after the weak links are cut loose.
i think they would lose to thanos due to hax and draining etc. But maybe some people think different if prime can take on thanos or not.
@supermanforever: He may be fast enough but I don't recall Prime using his speed in combat to his advantage that often. In fact, I don't remember him overwhelming anyone with speed at all. He was scary because of his strength and lack of morals.
This is a good Matchup. Darkseid power is no joke. Hel powers is no joke either. Prime is pretty powerful. Not sure how it will play out. This would be interesting. Not even sure how this will work out for Thanos. With no amps, I could see Thanos going down to prime. Hel could take him down too. This freaking Darkseid is too powerful.
Just gonna mention that New 52/Rebirth Darkseid could not KO New 52/Rebirth Wonder Woman with his Omega beams
Just gonna mention that New 52/Rebirth Darkseid could not KO New 52/Rebirth Wonder Woman with his Omega beams
because she deflected with bracellets she wouldnt take it if she got hit. Grails omega beams destroyed her bracellets though.
Just gonna mention that New 52/Rebirth Darkseid could not KO New 52/Rebirth Wonder Woman with his Omega beams
because she deflected with bracellets she wouldnt take it if she got hit. Grails omega beams destroyed her bracellets though.
In the recent WW comic it seems he defeated her and is about to fight Zeus of all people. We'll see how that goes.
@supermanforever: She wasn't deflecting anything, they were flat out hitting here without KOing her.
@all-father: He outright stated he is weaker in that form. Not to mention that he needed her alive. So he wasn't going for the kill and he was weaker.
He outright stated he is weaker in that form.
Whilst also saying he is superior to Wonder Woman at this age despite being less powerful
Not to mention that he needed her alive. So he wasn't going for the kill and he was weaker.
I didn't saying anything about killing her, i was talking about KOing her.
@all-father: The fact that he was superior to Diana even in his weaker form is actually impressive so I'm not sure why you are bringing that up. And him not KOing her still doesn't matter because he did not want to kill her. Obviously he was holding back. It's not like he knows how much force is necessary to KO Diana.
@supermanforever: She wasn't deflecting anything, they were flat out hitting here without KOing her.
He was weak af in that form lol, he even stated it. Darkseid in his strongest one shotted superman and he had superior durability to wonder woman in new 52. Also he didnt want to kill wonder woman there.
This essentially comes down to Prime vs. Thanos, which SBP wins quite easily if Thanos doesn’t use telepathy.
Prime Solo stomps. He owned Mxy and even though it was PIS Mxy is well above both of these when they're amped.
@clownprinceofcrime1995: That was Superman Prime, who is an amped version of Superboy Prime.
@clownprinceofcrime1995: That was Superman Prime, who is an amped version of Superboy Prime.
PIS still counts and he's not amped that much. The only ones able to touch SBP were the Flash family and they could only BFR him.
Team 2, Thanos could potentially solo.
Boy prime isn't taking Thanos, Hel could stalemate Darksied but Thanos aids him if he needs it after taking out the boy
@clownprinceofcrime1995: That was Superman Prime, who is an amped version of Superboy Prime.
PIS still counts and he's not amped that much. The only ones able to touch SBP were the Flash family and they could only BFR him.
This isn't true. Bart drew blood in Infinite Crisis after blitzing him. Prime ran away. After Bart came back in LOTW, he blitzed Prime again and staggerted him, Prime ran away. Krypto drew blood from him, Kal El and Kal L blitzed him together, MMH staggered him... The entire Teen Titans took him out...
yes that last instance is referenced just to rustle some jimmies, not to be taken legitimately.
Who were the ones who were actually able to beat him?
Kal El beat him after him and Kal L flew Prime through a red sun, depowering them all, and then Prime beat Kal L to death. Kal El then knocked him out. Bart beat him since Prime BFR'd himself out of pure fear. The Flash family beat him through BFR, The Teen Titans beat him through straight KO'ing him.
Why would Prime even beat Thanos? His only advantage is speed, which he never uses by the way. Actually when you look at it Prime's actual combat and reaction time speed feats are almost non existing, at least compared to Superman. Thanos is just as strong, way more durable (based on consistency, if you want to count outliers then Thanos is still more durable), more versatile and has way more impressive energy projection. What does Prime bring to the table? One galaxy level feat (which is an outlier, and Thanos has way more impressive durability feat which is also an outlier) and inconsistent "retcon punches" which we might as well call plot devices?
Why would Prime even beat Thanos? His only advantage is speed, which he never uses by the way. Actually when you look at it Prime's actual combat and reaction time speed feats are almost non existing, at least compared to Superman. Thanos is just as strong, way more durable (based on consistency, if you want to count outliers then Thanos is still more durable), more versatile and has way more impressive energy projection. What does Prime bring to the table? One galaxy level feat (which is an outlier, and Thanos has way more impressive durability feat which is also an outlier) and inconsistent "retcon punches" which we might as well call plot devices?
while agree that prime loses against thanos. Strenght/speed is prime all day long. His striking abilities quite decent aswell. he bullrushes and one shotted OA 500 miles thick willpower wall. States that he could one shot planet at light speed. He also one shotted antimonitor who walked out of galaxy level explosionand was unharmed.
Thanos would win due to versatility hax etx. However if thanos lets say goes into hand to hand against prime he will get manhandled. Prime might have hardly any speedblitzing feats. however his showen that he can fight speedsters and counter them aswell. Even though 5 vs 1 speedster won via bfr, he was still capable of seeing their movements etc and nearly killed bart or wally dont remember exactly. In their second battle during sinestro core war he easly countered jay and barry allen while they had entire earth heroes on their side and prime didnt even see sunlight longgg time. Also aside from speedsters and supermen hardly anyone could blitz him or anything. Most of them didnt bother him cause his durability was more than enough to not even bother. His monarch explosion feat arguably happened after his guardian enegery was finished aswell.
@krleavenger: Prime casually moving planets across the universe at MFTL speeds is vastly superior to anything Thanos has done in strength. In what way is Thanos more durable? I know that Prime has his share of low showings, but so does Thanos. By the way, I’m not doubting you, but can you show me some scans of Thanos showings feats above galaxy level durability. I think we can both agree that times like him losing to the Teen Titans is obvious PIS, especially when he was able to take on a large portion of the Green Lantern Corp, and shown the ability to one shot Post Crisis Superman level characters on multiple occasions. Can I see some of these energy projection feats you are talking about? While Prime doesn’t necessarily use his super speed on combat much, once he becomes agitated that Thanos is capable of taking his best punches, he would be more likely to use that super speed to his advantage. By the way, I’m not saying Thanos doesn’t have a chance. He can still beat him with telepathy. It’s just a closer fight than you are making it sound.
Who were the ones who were actually able to beat him?
Kal El beat him after him and Kal L flew Prime through a red sun, depowering them all, and then Prime beat Kal L to death. Kal El then knocked him out. Bart beat him since Prime BFR'd himself out of pure fear. The Flash family beat him through BFR, The Teen Titans beat him through straight KO'ing him.
So we have PIS which doesn't count here and the Flash family through BFR (which he escaped) then CIS as he has a phobia of the flash after that.
Just gonna mention that New 52/Rebirth Darkseid could not KO New 52/Rebirth Wonder Woman with his Omega beams
EH, half an Omega Beam KO'd New 52 Supes in JL vol 1 though. It's just inconsistent because Rebirth Wonder Woman is hella inconsistent.
I still think H'El is OP as fuck and would win. He'd just teleport Thanos's face infront of Omega Beams repeatedly while holding Darkseid utterly immobile with his TK.
Remember, H'El's TK was enough to completely immobilized Superman/Wonder Woman simultaneously, while his reaction speed was fast enough to forcibly teleport the Barry Allen in motion.
Forcible Teleportation is a ridiculously crazy superpower.
Especially when it's coupled with presence concealment powerful enough to make it so that New 52 Superman couldn't find him (actively searching with senses) when he was right behind him.
I don't even see how Thanos or Darkseid could know where H'El was if H'El didn't want them to know.
I know superboy prime and know of H’el but nothing specific
However I highly doubt his physicals and powers are enough to take down Thanos and DS that quickly. Both of them take hits like a sponge and have tremendous durability
IMO it would take DS and Thanos a couple of blows from him till one of them figures out how to best react
Team 2 FTW
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