Superboy Prime vs. Superman Army

Superman Army

Post-Crisis/Pre-52 versions unless specified otherwise.

• Post-Crisis Superman
• New 52 Superman
• General Zod
• Bizarro
• Red Son Superman
• Val Zod
• Sodam Yat
• Ultraman
• Injustice Superman
• Eradicator
• Cyborg Superman
• Steel
• Supergirl
• Power Girl
• Superboy (Kon-El)
• All-Star Superman
• Kingdom Come Superman
• Krypto
• Earth-Two Superman (Kal-L)
• Brutaal
• Mon-El

Note: Superboy Prime is wearing his Solar Suit, if it makes any difference.

The Scenario

The Superman Army is at a park just loitering.

Superboy Prime is elsewhere, going along with his day, until for some inexplicable reason he suddenly believes that these Supermen/Kryptonians have brutally tortured, violated, and murdered his girlfriend and parents.

Superboy Prime is sent into a maddening berserker state and bloodlusted rampage like never before. He will stop at nothing short of their complete annihilation. And so, Superboy Prime rockets himself to the park like a meteor and instantly charges at them to kill by any means and at all costs.

The other Supermen/Kryptonians team up to defend themselves and to defeat him.

Who wins?

Make sure you read the OP, folks.

Callouts

Army stomps 10/10. There is no scenario in which Prime wins this.

Umm thats not true. Some of these guys don't even have the feats that come close to Prime. PG for example or Steel.

I'm gonna go out on a limp and say the team wins, but suffers heavy casualties by a berserking Prime.

Team, especially with Conner there as a near-equal due to CIS and PIS.

@wf_mxyzptlk:

PIS/CIS/WIS and inconsistencies/bullshit aside, who wins?

Don't forget Krypto :D

@mysticmedivh:

Bullshit aside, a Prime who is this angry attacking a group of guys who are relatively unprepared probably just massacres them. He's too fast, too strong, and "Heat Vision GG" is still on the table. He can just dive-bomb through the group over and over again and they'll never be able to stop him. That said, if he goes in for a brawling fistfight, he ends up getting dogpiled.

@wf_mxyzptlk:

Added a couple more characters to the roster.

@nerevarine_11: Because they're non-factors. I never said any of the fodder would contribute. Prime is going to decapitate people like Steel, Power Girl, Injustice Superman, Zod, Lar Gand, etc immediately.

However, there are people on this list that would give him a good fight alone. Grouped up, they would put him down quick. KC Superman, All-Star Superman, Earth 2 Superman, and Red Son Superman would, combined, pummel Prime into the ground.

@voidstar: You think they're gonna pummel prime "EASILY" into the ground when hes basically bloodlusted and many of them are within the range of being decimated by a few hits?

That seems contradictory. Yes there is a minority of people who can handle Prime, but when you consider the battle conditions of him not only being bloodlusted but in his solar suit....it doesn't look good for the team.

I still think they can win, but there may be 2-3 of the best heavy hitters not in pieces.

There was no need.

That dive bomb tactic will only work until he grabs KC Superman, All-Star, or Red Son. At which point he's going to receive a punch harder than from everyone else he attempted to dive bomb. He's in no way faster than All-Star Supes, and only marginally stronger.

All-Star Superman would lose in the long run, but would last long enough for the others of his tier to join in and collectively stomp Prime.

@mysticmedivh: Team wins. Yat is MVP

@wf_mxyzptlk: @nerevarine_11:

You do have a point with that scan though. Honestly, I've never understood why Kon-El was written to be a near equal to Prime, when Prime was stomping people who were much stronger than him (such as Pre-52 Superman).

@voidstar: Because Prime needed a good sacrifice lol.

@reaverlation:

Yat has no GL Ring or Ion entity, for the record.

This is just regular Yat.

Same goes for Cyborg Superman. He has no GL or YL Rings.

Does this affect your opinion on the outcome of this battle?

Apparently you didn't read what I said correctly.

Most of this list are non-factors. Whether they are included or not literally does not change the outcome of this fight at all, since they'd be killed in a few hits. Nothing I said was contradictory.

People in Power Girl, Zod, and Mon-El's tier have no business in this fight. If you remove them, it still doesn't change the fact that Red Son, All-Star, Kingdom Come, and Earth 2 Superman are the only ones required to get this job done.

Also, the solar-suit has never, ever been that much of an amp for Prime. In fact, technically his suit isn't even an amp at all. The suit was designed so that he could retain his normal levels of power because he was de-powered prior to creating the suit.

There is nothing Superboy Prime is more capable of doing with the suit than he is without it.

TL;DR: Other teammates don't matter, since only 4 Supermen are required to put down Prime. His suit isn't even an amp, it makes no difference.

Prime is many times faster than All-Star, and by feats so much stronger its not even comparable. Frankly, by feats All-Star barely even measures up to regular old New Earth Superman. 200 Quintillion tons is a joke. RSS is the scariest member of this team, by far, since he has near solar-system level durability and pretty insane physicals. That said, at the end of the day, they can't counter Prime moving at full speed, and his heat vision is lethal enough to put down virtually all of them except RSS. RSS is going to take a massive extended slug-match to put down, but nobody here is stopping repeated dive-bombs.

Lets also recall that Prime is basically out of his mind in this scenario, and it usually takes Supermen of all stripes time to get completely serious. This is a huge advantage, especially since Prime's powers seem to be some extent psionic in the same manner as SA Kryptonians (when he pushes, there really isn't much of an upper limit.)

Prime stomps .

• Post-Crisis Superman
• New 52 Superman
• General Zod
• Bizarro
• Red Son Superman
• Val Zod
• Sodam Yat
• Ultraman
• Injustice Superman
• Eradicator
• Cyborg Superman
• Steel
• Supergirl
• Power Girl
• Superboy (Kon-El)
• All-Star Superman
• Kingdom Come Superman
• Krypto
• Earth-Two Superman (Kal-L)
• Brutaal
• Mon-El

Bolded guys are the deciding factors in my opinion. Many of the team doesn't have feats to be a threat to Prime, they could be good distractions. I back team for a slight majority. Most of the team dies.

Why? Wasn't he already manhandled by Prime?

@mightykalel:

Cyborg Superman isn't a factor?

Jw.

Oh man, I forgot about him. He is a factor.

Prime wins, possibly even if Yat had Ion entity

@wf_mxyzptlk:

Prime is many times faster than All-Star, and by feats so much stronger its not even comparable.

Wrong, you obviously haven't read anything by All-Star Superman.

He flew 5 light years in 20 minutes, which makes him over a 100,000x FTL.

200 Quintillion tons is a joke.

Lol is that the only feat you know regarding AS Superman?

Firstly, let me tell you why your assertion is fallacious. You are insinuating that 200 Quintillion tons is even anywhere near his limit. Not only did he lift that with one hand, he nearly broke the machine while doing so.

200 Quintillion was the maximum amount of weight the machine was able to output, and Superman still was lifting it effortlessly. 200 Quintillion tons is roughly 1/3 of the Earth's weight, which AS Superman was lifting with one hand effortlessly, which means that he can lift absurdly more with both hands.

Also fought an army of Bizarro clones who were just as strong as normal Kryptonians.

Featwise, AS Superman is definitely within Prime's tier, albeit slightly below. Like I said, alone, he'd get pummeled, but with the team specified, AS Superman would help wreck face.

Especially considering Prime's durability isn't the greatest. He was already hurt by Martian Manhunter while wearing his solar suit (which isn't an amp).

I'm still not seeing any evidence that Prime could take this team on, especially considering only 3 Kryptonians gave him trouble before.

No one's giving any reasons Prime wins, just making claims.

@voidstar said:

@wf_mxyzptlk:

Prime is many times faster than All-Star, and by feats so much stronger its not even comparable.

Wrong, you obviously haven't read anything by All-Star Superman.

He flew 5 light years in 20 minutes, which makes him over a 100,000x FTL.

200 Quintillion tons is a joke.

Lol is that the only feat you know regarding AS Superman?

Firstly, let me tell you why your assertion is fallacious. You are insinuating that 200 Quintillion tons is even anywhere near his limit. Not only did he lift that with one hand, he nearly broke the machine while doing so.

200 Quintillion was the maximum amount of weight the machine was able to output, and Superman still was lifting it effortlessly. 200 Quintillion tons is roughly 1/3 of the Earth's weight, which AS Superman was lifting with one hand effortlessly, which means that he can lift absurdly more with both hands.

Also fought an army of Bizarro clones who were just as strong as normal Kryptonians.

Featwise, AS Superman is definitely within Prime's tier, albeit slightly below. Like I said, alone, he'd get pummeled, but with the team specified, AS Superman would help wreck face.

Especially considering Prime's durability isn't the greatest. He was already hurt by Martian Manhunter while wearing his solar suit (which isn't an amp).

Prime was moving planets FTL with ease as if they were chess pieces. Prime would snap All Star Superman's arm off. What feats do these Bizarro clones have that would put it on Prime being able to one shot Sodam Yat who was more powerful than when he had the Ion entity? Especially since Yat easily survived a planetary explosion before he obtained Ion? Lol at Prime's durability not being good when I can only think of 2 times of him being officially KO'd: when he was depowered and his PIS showing against the Teen Titans. Prime can one shot ASSuperman with his heat vision. Prime stomps All Star Superman with ease

Sodam Yat alone gave SBP a good fight, Supermen together will wreck shop 10/10. We have heavy hitters like AS, PC, New52 and KC here.

@voidstar:

Wrong, you obviously haven't read anything by All-Star Superman.

He flew 5 light years in 20 minutes, which makes him over a 100,000x FTL.

I have read All Star Superman. The only question is have you read any other Superman comics, ever?

Obviously not if you think that's impressive by Superman travel speed standards. New Earth Superman has done something way better by travelling from Vega to earth (25-ish light years) in a shorter period of time. Not that its an isolated case. Occasions of enormously faster than light speed travel are a dime a dozen among supermen. They've travelled across the entire universe (millions of light years) before.

Prime moved across the entire universe so fast as to be undectable by the guardians, and he was pushing planets while doing it.

Lol is that the only feat you know regarding AS Superman?

Firstly, let me tell you why your assertion is fallacious. You are insinuating that 200 Quintillion tons is even anywhere near his limit. Not only did he lift that with one hand, he nearly broke the machine while doing so.

200 Quintillion was the maximum amount of weight the machine was able to output, and Superman still was lifting it effortlessly. 200 Quintillion tons is roughly 1/3 of the Earth's weight, which AS Superman was lifting with one hand effortlessly, which means that he can lift absurdly more with both hands.

I'm not asserting its his limit. However, its literally the best strength feat he has, and a total joke compared to what Prime can do.

200 Quintillion tons is not even close to 1/3 of the Earth's weight. You're off by a factor of 10. So, pretty freaking pathetic compared to prime. Also, he wasn't lifting it with just one hand. He had his entire body braced under it. Its not like he was bicep curling the weight or anything. He'd be stronger with two, but to a lesser degree than you'd think.

Also fought an army of Bizarro clones who were just as strong as normal Kryptonians.

It was stated that the 200 Quintillion ton lift was more than three times ASS's normal record. So, normal kryptonians are pretty pathetic in this world. Furthermore, its pretty laughable you think that compares to prime.

Especially considering Prime's durability isn't the greatest. He was already hurt by Martian Manhunter while wearing his solar suit (which isn't an amp).

Prime was 'hurt' by plenty of people, but almost nobody has put him down. If you actually look what it takes to knock Prime out (excluding that cancerous teen titans appearance), you'll find its been universally quite extreme.

Basically, I'm not even sold that ASS can tank even something as simple as Prime's heat vision, or eat more than a few punches.

@sirneko: Prime one shotted Yat when Yat was even more powerful in Lo3W.

Superman team takes this with heavy casualties.

Pretty reasonable.

@reaverlation:

Prime was moving planets FTL with ease as if they were chess pieces.

Scans?

Prime being able to one shot Sodam Yat who was more powerful than when he had the Ion entity?

Prime never one shot Sodam Yat. While he admittedly beat him solidly, he was visibly being hurt by Yat and exchanging blows with him. Moreover, the Yat he beat was not more powerful than when he had Ion at all. Where is this coming from?

If we're being honest here, in their second encounter, Prime looked like he wasn't capable of putting down Yat at all.

Especially since Yat easily survived a planetary explosion before he obtained Ion?

No he hasn't, what are you talking about?

Prime can one shot ASSuperman with his heat vision.

No, he can't. He has never one shot anyone who wasn't nameless fodder with his heat vision. In fact, he hasn't done any lasting damage to ANYONE worth naming with his heat vision. It didn't even scrape Ion.

What feats do these Bizarro clones have that would put it on Prime being able to one shot Sodam Yat who was more powerful than when he had the Ion entity?

The clones only showed up for a single issue. They were, however, created by the same lab that created Bizarro, so it's safe to assume they are just as powerful as him. These same people made a replica Doomsday, asserting that they aren't as powerful as Bizarro is just nitpicking, since there would be no logical reason for a lab to design weaker clones of Bizarro to defeat AS Superman, when Bizarro himself couldn't even complete the task.

Prime stomps All Star Superman with ease

No he doesn't. AS Superman was helping restrain a creature that a 5th dimensional imp had trouble with. His strength is comparable to the likes of KC Superman, and his durability is just as high as well.

AS Superman has the feats to prove he could give Prime a decent fight. He would eventually lose, of course, but with the help of people with comparable strength, there's no way Prime stands a chance of winning this.

Read Lo3w.

@voidstar said:

@reaverlation:

Prime was moving planets FTL with ease as if they were chess pieces.

Scans?

Prime being able to one shot Sodam Yat who was more powerful than when he had the Ion entity?

Prime never one shot Sodam Yat. While he admittedly beat him solidly, he was visibly being hurt by Yat and exchanging blows with him. Moreover, the Yat he beat was not more powerful than when he had Ion at all. Where is this coming from?

If we're being honest here, in their second encounter, Prime looked like he wasn't capable of putting down Yat at all.

Especially since Yat easily survived a planetary explosion before he obtained Ion?

No he hasn't, what are you talking about?

Prime can one shot ASSuperman with his heat vision.

No, he can't. He has never one shot anyone who wasn't nameless fodder with his heat vision. In fact, he hasn't done any lasting damage to ANYONE worth naming with his heat vision. It didn't even scrape Ion.

What feats do these Bizarro clones have that would put it on Prime being able to one shot Sodam Yat who was more powerful than when he had the Ion entity?

The clones only showed up for a single issue. They were, however, created by the same lab that created Bizarro, so it's safe to assume they are just as powerful as him. These same people made a replica Doomsday, asserting that they aren't as powerful as Bizarro is just nitpicking, since there would be no logical reason for a lab to design weaker clones of Bizarro to defeat AS Superman, when Bizarro himself couldn't even complete the task.

Prime stomps All Star Superman with ease

No he doesn't. AS Superman was helping restrain a creature that a 5th dimensional imp had trouble with. His strength is comparable to the likes of KC Superman, and his durability is just as high as well.

AS Superman has the feats to prove he could give Prime a decent fight. He would eventually lose, of course, but with the help of people with comparable strength, there's no way Prime stands a chance of winning this.

Literally a better strength feat than ASS can hope to accomplish

Prime one shotted Yat in Lo3W.

Yat easily survived a planetary explosion before receiving the Ion Entity.

Nameless Green Lanterns have casually been in the center of suns. His heat vision went through Superman's shoulder when Prime was nearly depleted of sunlight and it went through Superman's hand like a hot knife through butter.

So featless Bizarros compared to featless Doomsday. Don't mention this worthless feat again.

So featless 5th Imp then. And in no way is ASS on KC Superman's level. ASS has no feats on Prime's level like being able to take on the JLA, JSA, 2 different Lantern Corps and the Guardians as well. ASS gets destroyed. I'm curious who's alt. this is BTW

@wf_mxyzptlk:

I'm not asserting its his limit. However, its literally the best strength feat he has, and a total joke compared to what Prime can do.

200 Quintillion tons is not even close to 1/3 of the Earth's weight. You're off by a factor of 10. So, pretty freaking pathetic compared to prime. Also, he wasn't lifting it with just one hand. He had his entire body braced under it. Its not like he was bicep curling the weight or anything. He'd be stronger with two, but to a lesser degree than you'd think.

That's not even his best strength feat. This is:

It was stated that the 200 Quintillion ton lift was more than three times ASS's normal record. So, normal kryptonians are pretty pathetic in this world. Furthermore, its pretty laughable you think that compares to prime.

Again, stop making claims about comics you haven't read. Superman was depowered prior to this, much weaker than he normally is. Also, Kryptonians in this universe are by no means weak. One casually threw Superman toward the moon and cracked it in half, which is quite above what most versions of Superman "casually" do.

He had his entire body braced under it. Its not like he was bicep curling the weight or anything.

Because that's literally the angle the machine is pointing down toward. Did you even see the scan?

Prime moved across the entire universe so fast as to be undectable by the guardians, and he was pushing planets while doing it.

It never said anywhere how fast Prime was moving those planets.

Prime was 'hurt' by plenty of people, but almost nobody has put him down. If you actually look what it takes to knock Prime out (excluding that cancerous teen titans appearance), you'll find its been universally quite extreme.

Because Prime never fought anyone who was stronger than Earth 2 Superman.

Basically, I'm not even sold that ASS can tank even something as simple as Prime's heat vision, or eat more than a few punches.

Quite literally every single version of Superman that Prime has fought has tanked his heat vision, and several punches.

sbp blitzes

@reaverlation: @reaverlation:

Prime one shotted Yat in Lo3W.

This is not a scan.

Yat easily survived a planetary explosion before receiving the Ion Entity.

You said this earlier, I told you to prove it, and you said the same thing again.

Nameless Green Lanterns have casually been in the center of suns.

So...again...featless. Okay.

His heat vision went through Superman's shoulder when Prime was nearly depleted of sunlight and it went through Superman's hand like a hot knife through butter.

An inconsistency, seeing as how Prime has fired heat vision at Superman before and didn't burn through him, and even fired heat vision at Power Girl and it didn't burn through her either.

So featless Bizarros compared to featless Doomsday. Don't mention this worthless feat again.

LOL but in your mind it's okay to bring up featless Green Lanterns who are consistently weaker than average Kryptonians? At least the Bizarro clones have reasonable belief to be as strong as Bizarro. It even says Bizarro clones in the scan. (Considering AS Superman no-sold attacks by Bizarro, and they were designed by the exact same laboratory.)

So featless 5th Imp then.

Every 5th Imp we've ever seen before in DC Comics has demonstrated the ability to manipulate reality in any way they see fit.

By your flawed logic, any Celestial we've never seen actually do anything on panel isn't worth bringing up as a feat for a character? By your logic, any Celestial that isn't Scathan, Arishem, etc are weak and thus shouldn't be brought up at all? What about Kryptonians? Lol, that logic is such a reach.

And in no way is ASS on KC Superman's level. ASS has no feats on Prime's level like being able to take on the JLA, JSA, 2 different Lantern Corps and the Guardians as well. ASS gets destroyed.

How many times do I have to iterate that AS Superman is not on Prime's level? He's strong enough to hurt Prime and trade blows with him and not be immediately killed. Combine this with three other versions of Superman that are STRONGER than him, and Prime has no chance.

Moreover, AS Superman has never exerted himself in his entire series. Based on what we've seen, it's highly likely that he is on KC's level.

I'm curious who's alt. this is BTW

No one's, I made an account recently.

@voidstar:

That's not even his best strength feat. This is:

Come now, thats absurd. Absolutely featless and unquantifiable. Klyzyzk isn't even a pureblood imp, and he barely did anything in DC1M. Also, any instance where a 3D character interacts physically with a 5D character is by definition PIS. Furthermore, he was pulling on 5D chains. In all, there's too many variables to quantify it, the feat is worthless.

Again, stop making claims about comics you haven't read. Superman was depowered prior to this, much weaker than he normally is. Also, Kryptonians in this universe are by no means weak. One casually threw Superman toward the moon and cracked it in half, which is quite above what most versions of Superman "casually" do.

Superman's all-time lifting record on that machine was made when he was depowered? Doesn't sound reasonable. Do you have any feats for the Bizarro creatures proving they're on normal Kryptonian level. If anything, they are low-quality bizarro knock-offs.

Because that's literally the angle the machine is pointing down toward. Did you even see the scan?

Yes, I did. That's the whole point, silly. The lift allows him to use his whole body, so its not much weaker than it would be with two hands. Certainly not 30 times weaker.

Also, I noticed that you brushed the point about 200 quintillion tons being "1/3 of the earth's weight" under the rug real quick. Lets just forget that ASS's best lifting feat is 1/30th of the earth's weight, eh? Oh, but look over here! He pulled a featless creature that a featless character was struggling with! That compensates!

It never said anywhere how fast Prime was moving those planets.

Use critical thinking. He rearranged enough planets to change the centerpoint of the universe, and he did so over vast distances, and he accomplished this feat in a short period of time. It quite literally has to be MFTL.

Because Prime never fought anyone who was stronger than Earth 2 Superman.

The Guardians are weaker than Earth 2 Superman?

Quite literally every single version of Superman that Prime has fought has tanked his heat vision, and several punches.

False. Prime's heat vision has drilled through Superman's hand and shoulder like he wasn't even there.

@sirneko said:

Sodam Yat alone gave SBP a good fight, Supermen together will wreck shop 10/10. We have heavy hitters like AS, PC, New52 and KC here.

That was with Ion and he still lost...

@voidstar:

This is not a scan.

These are.

Gallery

Yat didn't get back up.

He doesn't have an answer for Hank and Eradicator is versatile depending on the version.

@nerevarine_11:

That was with Ion and he still lost...

Because he was exposed to lead.

Prime nukes the planet and then kills anyone that survives.

@wf_mxyzptlk:

He pulled a featless creature that a featless character was struggling with! That compensates!

He's a 5th dimensional imp. By the very definition of their species, they are able to do whatever they want within the 3-D universe.

The Guardians are weaker than Earth 2 Superman?

Physically, yes.

Come now, thats absurd. Absolutely featless and unquantifiable. Klyzyzk isn't even a pureblood imp, and he barely did anything in DC1M. Also, any instance where a 3D character interacts physically with a 5D character is by definition PIS. Furthermore, he was pulling on 5D chains. In all, there's too many variables to quantify it, the feat is worthless.

By that absolute brain-dead logic, even characters that have beaten Celestials are weak now because nearly all Celestials are featless. As a matter of fact, by your logic, NO Celestial in the Marvel Universe is powerful until actually proven with feats. Not only that, but by your logic any Kryptonian under a yellow sun must be assumed to only be as strong as a human since they don't have feats yet.

"Even though 5th dimensional Imps are literally all powerful according to the DC Universe, it doesn't count here cause...reasons."

You're so wet for Prime that it is clouding even your ability to critically think. You're one of those people who would argue that Storm could shut down Galactus's brain since he has no neural synapse resistance feats.

Even the other, future versions of Superman couldn't restrain the creature.

@wf_mxyzptlk said:

@voidstar:

This is not a scan.

These are.

Gallery

Yat didn't get back up.

This off-panel feat has as much validity as Sentry stalemating Galactus.

In any scenario which does not include either Kal-El and/or the Kara Zor-El from Earth-One (Silver Age Superman and Supergirl), or the Kal-El from the Pre-Crisis Time Trapper's Pocket Dimension, the team is doomed to failure and Superboy-Prime beats them all up, either seriously injuring or outright killing the members of the team.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't KC superman faster than prime?