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#1 Posted by mr-luxcipher (6907 posts) - - Show Bio
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#2 Posted by Thordinson (1382 posts) - - Show Bio

So, why the hell are Gladiator and Hyperion here?

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#3 Posted by cromulor (109 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel the team could be able to take this, but what versions?

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#4 Posted by mr-luxcipher (6907 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Posted by Hyper_Temporal_Shift (731 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats for transmutation resistance for Prime?

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#6 Posted by Darth_Nimrod (1568 posts) - - Show Bio

Gladiator and King Hyperion are basically fodder here. Their only chance to win would be Silver Surfer draining Superboy Prime's solar energies.

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#7 Edited by cromulor (109 posts) - - Show Bio

@darth_nimrod: Superboy Prime wears a suit that constantly gives his body solar energy. I’m pretty sure that’s it in the picture in the original post too. Unless you meant Silver Surfer drains both him and the suit, but I don’t think the suit ever stops.

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#8 Posted by Thordinson (1382 posts) - - Show Bio

@cromulor: The only relevant person here is the Silver Surfer. This is basically a SBP vs SS thread in disguise.

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#9 Posted by cromulor (109 posts) - - Show Bio

@thordinson: It is always good to have distractions though. Superboy Prime, especially while he’s still boy and not man, is a huge time waster. While he throws a tantrum against Gladiator and Hyperion that lasts longer than it should’ve, Silver Surfer should have the in-battle equivalent of prep time.

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#10 Posted by Thordinson (1382 posts) - - Show Bio

@cromulor: Why would he have a tantrum against people who offer nothing to him as foes? He's gonna throw a tantrum because.....they got one shot?

I fail to see the logic here. SBP has poor maturity but he would rip through Gladiator and Hyperion. They are so far below him it's not even funny.

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#11 Posted by FiendishMind (482 posts) - - Show Bio
@cromulor said:

@darth_nimrod: Superboy Prime wears a suit that constantly gives his body solar energy. I’m pretty sure that’s it in the picture in the original post too. Unless you meant Silver Surfer drains both him and the suit, but I don’t think the suit ever stops.

The suit takes quite awhile to recharge him if he's already been depleted, we saw this during the Sinestro Corps War.

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Prime had been wearing the new armor since he got it on Qward before even traveling to Earth.

A solar drain would be bad news for Prime no matter what he's wearing.

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#12 Posted by Standardized (438 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime stomps.

faster then wally west and durable enough to tank a galaxy level blast and get right back up and continue fighting.

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#13 Posted by Nefarious (35035 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer is the only real threat to the pretentious Prime here.

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#14 Edited by omriamar (2986 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime Stomps

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#15 Edited by laflux (24158 posts) - - Show Bio

Gladiator is someone who can be interpreted in a variety of ways, but at his best he's still below SBP by quite some distance. King Hyperion is foddder quite frankly....

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#16 Edited by TheOneWhoKnows (4387 posts) - - Show Bio

Superboy Prime has plowed through the Titans, JSA, and Doom Patrol simultaneously maiming and slaying many of them at the time.

Prime plowed through multiple Green Lanterns simultaneously (slaying more than even the cosmic psycho Hal Jordan Parallax did)

Prime survived the explosion of a Guardian Of The Universe exploding on him (it powered him up eventually)

Prime is fast enough to blitz three Flashes (Wally, Jay, and Bart) simultaneously

---but it is believed he is capable of being drained-for sure-and that even if Radd is capable of doing that, Prime will just stand around-despite his incredible combat speed-and docilely be drained....

Ummmm.

No.

Superboy Prime wins.

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#17 Posted by TheTopContender (26 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime. Just because Norrin has a path to victory doesn't mean it's the most likely outcome when Prime has so many more of his own. Glad and Hyp are non factors.

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#18 Edited by God_Vulcan (7610 posts) - - Show Bio

This is really Prime vs Surfer in which Prime wins. Glads and Hyperion are collateral.

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#19 Posted by KrleAvenger (23232 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime kills King Hyperion on accident (I'm not even kidding about that), one shots Gladiator and then beats the shit out of Surfer.

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#20 Posted by willpayton (20034 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say Prime wins, but Surfer will make it a decent fight and the other can help a little bit.

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#21 Posted by blackpantherisb (3982 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime stomps

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#22 Edited by FiendishMind (482 posts) - - Show Bio
@thetopcontender said:

Prime. Just because Norrin has a path to victory doesn't mean it's the most likely outcome when Prime has so many more of his own. Glad and Hyp are non factors.

Considering Norrin's has already used draining as his first and only move against a solar powered opponent (Sympira) before, why wouldn't he use it here?

Prime has no drain resistance feats AFAIK and even if he did, Surfer has easily drained drain resistant opponents before, he stripped every cell in an enraged Hulks body with a "wave of his hand".

Surfer can and has performed an energy/power drain with a "wave of his hand" on multiple occasions now.

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#23 Posted by Batvibe12 (1636 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime 6/10

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#25 Posted by TheTopContender (26 posts) - - Show Bio
@thetopcontender said:

Prime. Just because Norrin has a path to victory doesn't mean it's the most likely outcome when Prime has so many more of his own. Glad and Hyp are non factors.

Considering Norrin's has already used draining as his first and only move against a solar powered opponent (Sympira) before, why wouldn't he use it here?

Prime has no drain resistance feats AFAIK and even if he did, Surfer has easily drained drain resistant opponents before, he stripped every cell in an enraged Hulks body with a "wave of his hand".

Surfer can and has performed an energy/power drain with a "wave of his hand" on multiple occasions now.

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So that's two occasions when Surfer lead with draining out of however many thousand encounters. SBP is faster, stronger, hit's harder, is tougher etc. SBP doesn't win every time, but I'd say the most likely outcome is him summarily running over the team.

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#26 Posted by TheKinfing (9022 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime.

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#27 Edited by KanyeCosby (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

Team gets stomped. SBP stomps an army of Gladiators and Hyperions. Surfer is the only factor, and he gets destroyed before he gets a chance to use his versatility.

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#28 Posted by supremeintelligence (696 posts) - - Show Bio

prime is a pre-crisis kryptonian lost in the post-crisis era. he steamrolls the team

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#29 Posted by FiendishMind (482 posts) - - Show Bio

So that's two occasions when Surfer lead with draining out of however many thousand encounters. SBP is faster, stronger, hit's harder, is tougher etc. SBP doesn't win every time, but I'd say the most likely outcome is him summarily running over the team.

Surfer hasn't had thousands of encounters against solar powered opponents who are particularly vulnerable to draining, Surfer hasn't had thousands of encounters against drainable opponents period.

Surfer's plenty fast enough and has physically thrown down with imposing opponents like Uni-Powered Krosakis, a character who had the combined power of Hulk + Gladiator twice over (plus countless other aliens).

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Surfer can take a hit or two, it's not going to stop him from draining, which he's specifically shown he can do in bursts.

Surfer would have to specifically NOT use draining at any time in the fight for Prime to win.

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#30 Edited by TheOneWhoKnows (4387 posts) - - Show Bio

@fiendishmind: said:

So that's two occasions when Surfer lead with draining out of however many thousand encounters. SBP is faster, stronger, hit's harder, is tougher etc. SBP doesn't win every time, but I'd say the most likely outcome is him summarily running over the team.

Surfer hasn't had thousands of encounters against solar powered opponents who are particularly vulnerable to draining, Surfer hasn't had thousands of encounters against drainable opponents period.

Surfer's plenty fast enough and has physically thrown down with imposing opponents like Uni-Powered Krosakis, a character who had the combined power of Hulk + Gladiator twice over (plus countless other aliens).

"Surfer"s pretty fast enough"

"has physically thrown down with imposing opponents like Uni-Powered Krosakis, a character who had the combined power of Hulk + Gladiator twice over (plus countless other aliens)".

Ummmm hmmm.

Krosakis is as powerful as the whole planet of superheroes of Earth 15, it sounds like.

Or not.

Unless it can be proven Radd is "plenty fast enough" to duplicate the combat speed (not travel, combat) displayed with this

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the only possible place the silver skinned alien is "plenty fast enough" to "drain" Prime before he gets the same lethal, fatal treatment multiple Green Lanterns (including one amped by the ION force) multiple Supermen, and every single superhero on Earth 15 got is in a fan fevered fantasy.

Why it is apparently so difficult for some to understand there are two individuals involved in this proposed fight, and that Prime, a being with Pre Crisis Superman combat speed (capable of speed feats like the one shown above) is not some lifeless practice dummy that is going to stand stock still, hands at his sides with a dull look, a slack jaw, and just let Surfer do whatever he wants to do is unknown.

Superboy Prime wins.

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#31 Posted by bluekey (67 posts) - - Show Bio

Teams wins.

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#32 Edited by FiendishMind (482 posts) - - Show Bio
@theonewhoknows said:

Ummmm hmmm.

Krosakis is as powerful as the whole planet of superheroes of Earth 15, it sounds like.

Or not.

Unless it can be proven Radd is "plenty fast enough" to duplicate the combat speed (not travel, combat) displayed with this

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the only possible place the silver skinned alien is "plenty fast enough" to "drain" Prime before he gets the same lethal, fatal treatment multiple Green Lanterns (including one amped by the ION force) multiple Supermen, and every single superhero on Earth 15 got is in a fan fevered fantasy.

Why it is apparently so difficult for some to understand there are two individuals involved in this proposed fight, and that Prime, a being with Pre Crisis Superman combat speed (capable of speed feats like the one shown above) is not some lifeless practice dummy that is going to stand stock still, hands at his sides with a dull look, a slack jaw, and just let Surfer do whatever he wants to do is unknown.

Superboy Prime wins.

I said Krosakis had the combined power of Hulk + Gladiator X2 (at least). Are you saying Prime hits with the combined power of "the whole planet of superheroes of Earth 15"?

Mrrungo-Mu was a character that actually did have the combined power of all of Earth's heroes AND villains, yet even a significantly weakened Surfer (he had shared half his power with a human) survived a full on attack from Mu. Surfer wasn't in good shape afterwards but he was still kickin.

Surfer has actual quantifiable speed feats such as taking physical action in less than a nanosecond and making use of explicit FTL speed in combat.

Surfer doesn't need Prime to hold still like a dummy, a single gesture is all it takes. The burst Surfer used on Hulk stripped every cell in his body simultaneously. There's no evidence Prime could just power through having the solar energy stripped from every one of his cells simultaneously.

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#33 Edited by TheOneWhoKnows (4387 posts) - - Show Bio

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I said Krosakis had the combined power of Hulk + Gladiator X2 (at least).

That is so impressive to Prime, who has taken on the combinedforce of the Green Lantern Corps and the JLA on one occasion, and thecombined force of Superman, Supergirl, Powergirl, Krypto, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Alan Scott Green Lantern, Metamorpho and more while depowered by a large amount.

Are you saying Prime hits with the combined power of "the whole planet of superheroes of Earth 15"?

I am saying that he took on that planet's entire pantheon of heroes-many with combat speed at least equal to Surfer-and slew them.

The better question is, "are you saying the Surfer is soooo much more "special" than an entire planet's heroes-many of them with power to rival Radd-that he can for sure do what all of them "combined" could not and defeat Prime"???

Mrrungo-Mu was a character that actually did have the combined power of all of Earth's heroes AND villains, yet even a significantly weakened Surfer (he had shared half his power with a human) survived a full on attack from Mu. Surfer wasn't in good shape afterwards but he was still kickin.

The Ion Entity is a being of unlimited power that normally resides in the OA power battery, and keeps the limitless power of the fear entity Parallax that resides there in check as well. When the entity bonds with a human host, it makes them immeasurably powerful (as it did for Kyle Rayner, and similar to the way its opposite number Parallax has made Hal Jordan and Sinestro). Sodam Yat was empowered with the Ion Entity, displayed seemingly limitless powers---

and Prime defeated him. Prime hadn't just "survived a full on attack from" Ion. Prime was in fairly "good shape afterwards" and he was not only "still kickin".He won.

Surfer has actual quantifiable speed feats such as taking physical action in less than a nanosecond and making use of explicit FTL speed in combat.

Are you actually stating---even implying---the see-with-one's-own-eyes scan of Prime out reacting not one, not two, but three not holding back Flashes SIMULTANEOUSLY is "not" a "quantifiable" feat?? Not to mention, blows away what you just mentioned for Radd???

Seriously????

Surfer doesn't need Prime to hold still like a dummy, a single gesture is all it takes.

Right---Radd can (A) "gesture" faster than someone who is fast enough to out react three Flashes at the same time, and has done the "impossible" and moved fast enough to escape The Speedforce.

(B) And even if he did, this "gesture" would be enough to so instantly drain every last bit of power from Prime that his momentum would immediately halt, and the kid "wouldn't" get to Surfer and pummel him hard enough to stop his draining, then follow up the initial assault and end Radd permanently.

Despite the fact that Prime hits hard enough to alter history, shatter the 5th dimension, and burst out of the Phantom Zone, and Radd has been hurt, sent flying through the air screaming in agony, and even KO'd by multiple beings faaaaar weaker and slower than Prime like The Thing, Rhino, Namor, Thor, a Doombot, Dracula, Beta Ray Bill (with a ONE SHOT), the Vision, and more.

The burst Surfer used on Hulk stripped every cell in his body simultaneously.

Yes, that's relevant because the Hulk is on Prime's level, and his body chemistry is exactly like Prime (face palm)

There's no evidence Prime could just power through having the solar energy stripped from every one of his cells simultaneously.

Says the person who has "no evidence" of the reverse---other than because he says so.

SHM.

Sigh.

The only way to deal get through "debating" fan over fact users is to make a game of it, and just self wager if they can top one fantastical post with the next. Some still, apparently haven't learned that "liking" a character better has nothing to do with who wins.

Translation:

Against Silver Surfer and Superman wannabe's Gladiator and Hyperion (who their DC counterparts have already been beaten by the Crazed Kryptonian):

Superboy Prime wins.

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#34 Posted by APEX_pretador (14337 posts) - - Show Bio

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#35 Posted by God_Vulcan (7610 posts) - - Show Bio
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#36 Posted by APEX_pretador (14337 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: surfer weakens him by red solar radiation and gladiator pounds a weakened prime while Hyperion dies

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#37 Edited by God_Vulcan (7610 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador: I fail to see how either Gladiator or Hyperion are factors, when SBP has routinely stomped stronger heroes.

Also, has Surfer ever done that off the bat? Weaken somebody with Red Solar Radiation? If that's their only path to victory Prime could kill him before he uses it.

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#38 Posted by HellionVulcan (5924 posts) - - Show Bio

I find it hilarious how people state Gladiator is fodder despite Surfer's low showings against Tyrant where he was one shot twice while it took Tyrant more effort to defeat Gladiator, Surfer is the MVP but Gladiator and Surfer can take it if they fight smart.

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#39 Edited by Supermanforever (2962 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador said:

@god_vulcan: surfer weakens him by red solar radiation and gladiator pounds a weakened prime while Hyperion dies

His suits doesnt allow him to get drained, thats why they broke it to cause him draining.

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#40 Posted by Supermanforever (2962 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime stomps, gladiator and hyperion are no factors.

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#41 Posted by God_Vulcan (7610 posts) - - Show Bio

I find it hilarious how people state Gladiator is fodder despite Surfer's low showings against Tyrant where he was one shot twice while it took Tyrant more effort to defeat Gladiator, Surfer is the MVP but Gladiator and Surfer can take it if they fight smart.

Have you heard of this thing called an inconsistency?

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#42 Edited by KrleAvenger (23232 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime reacted to the speedsters? That's great. I have five more instances where he was completely helpless against them and couldn't react to their blitz, to the point that he was telling them to stay away from him. Not to mention that when Prime reacted to the Flashes, they were running at the level of speed that Jay Garrick could keep up with easily, so slower than light. Silver Surfer has better speed feats than that. Prime still stomps tho.

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#43 Edited by APEX_pretador (14337 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever: if he has the solar suit, he wins

Hyperion is fodder who should be replaced by Thor or world breaker to get a better fight

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#44 Posted by Helloman (8980 posts) - - Show Bio

Superboy Prime wins.

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#45 Edited by TheOneWhoKnows (4387 posts) - - Show Bio

Those "five more instances where (Prime) was completely helpless against them and couldn't react to their blitz, to the point that he was telling them to stay away from him" completely erases all of Prime's other speed feats like "impossibly" moving fast enough to escape the Speed Force, and it requiring Bart Allen to temporarily absorb the entire Speed Force to keep up with Prime.

Yes, the instances that go against Prime magically, mystically, completely strikes from the record Prime's other speed feats.

Except they don't.

And doesn't change that Prime uses his combat speed more often and much more ruthlessly and effectively than Radd.

"Prime still stomps" is correct, however.

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#46 Posted by blackestnight93 (14829 posts) - - Show Bio

When did Prime ever blitz a flash? The instance from Teen Titans vol 3 isn't a blitz. Now Barts showing against Prime in Infinite Crisis and Legion of Three Worlds? Those's are blitzes. Prime still wins.

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#47 Edited by blackestnight93 (14829 posts) - - Show Bio

moving fast enough to escape the Speed Force

It was never stated how Prime escaped the speed force.

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Infinite Crisis issue 6

He still wins though

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#48 Posted by Causeimbatman (1516 posts) - - Show Bio

Why aren’t people just tagging each other?

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#50 Posted by blackestnight93 (14829 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: it's possible, but making an affirmative claim on how he did it is kinda tough since they never go any more in depth beyond that mention in Infinite Crisis

@theonewhoknows I addressed a portion of your argument in post 47. Forgot to tag you

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