This is Goku during the TOP and Acacia is at his strongest. Who would win?
Goku's punches in his Super Sayain God form at the beginning of Super were capable of matching Beerus', and Beerus could destroy a half a planet with a finger tap. RoF SSB Goku could have stomped that form, and his ToP self would naturally be much stronger. It's not unlikely that Goku can keep up in physicals, and his ki blasts are much stronger. Not to mention how pre-Super characters scale to FTL speeds, and Super characters are several magnitudes higher.
From his assassination arc performance with hit, we can tell that ssb goku at that point is superior to ssbkk10 during the first tournament. As ssbkk10 goku admitted he would have lost, yet later won without kkx10 against a stronger and able to kill hit.
Then factor in kkx20, and you'll find that ToP goku is a baseline of twenty times his RoF self. Which is stated to be superior to his bog ssg form
I'm using kio ken Numbers for that, not power levels, so it's set in stone Numbers. In fact, since hit always gets stronger, the gap would actually be larger, we just don't know by how much.
The same thing happened with goku and jiren yet again. So you could argue that goku becomes twenty times stronger yet again. I wouldn't due to how inconsistent the ToP is, but there is a debate to be had for it.
@xanman2000: Yet they didn't destroy Earth, the Sun or any planet in the solar system with their first clashes.
And that's galaxy level to you? smh.
Except they were going to until Goku managed to perfectly block Beerus's strikes and cancel out the energy.
Until you show some multi galaxy level feats for acacia, Goku bitchslaps him into oblivion.
@baph: obviously if you watch at the screen without hearing or reading about whats going than sure they are not.
Ppl either are deaf/cant read or just choose to ignore it.
its the latter for obviouse reasons.
also in the anime we saw asteriods and a planet being vaporized(obvoisly not the only planet) and in the manga as seen in the scan above the planets were shaking.
@baph: i didnt make anything.
I just said you cant read which you just proved and that planets and asteroids were destroyed which also happened.
you are the one who keeps asking why earth wasnt destroyed when the episode literaly tells you why.
Go watch the episode its not hard to find.
i dont have time to repeat the obviouse and counter non existing arguments.
@ecoblitz: how is aracia even going to damage him? Also we can rag on goku all we want for being dumb but he is really intelligent battle wise and I could see him figuring out minority worlds counter, it would be a while to figure out but as I said what is aracia going to do to damage him.
Edit: So I reread what minority world can do and I see that in fact can be used to at least kill goku slowly. I can see it being a method of use for a win
@co-boss: Goku is not figuring out minority world counter midora is not gonna explain it like his brother did just cuz he didn’t wanna kill Midora. Btw his brother actively wasn’t trying to kill him which is why the effects were “slow”
Also I don’t think goku can do any AoE to counter him not being able to hit Acacia because of the large stuff he has straight diverted with either food luck or minority world.
Also I believe his hungry tongue can also help him win.
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