Super Saiyan 3 Goku vs 100% Mode Kenshiro

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Rules:

  1. This is Goku from the final chapter of Dragon Ball Z without any injuries; whereas this is Kenshiro from the final chapter of Fist of the North Star: The Cursed City without any injuries.
  2. Goku in prime, goes Unlocked Potential, God-like Saiyan, Supervillain, Change & Potential Unleashed, transforms into Super Saiyan 3, uses Kaio-ken x100, absorbs Universe 7's Spirit Bomb, Blutz Waves & Ki to limit, wears Battle Armor, Time Ring, Metamo-Ring & Potara, removes weighted clothing, has Senzu Beans, Zeno's Button & Dragon Radar, wields Power Pole & Sword of Hope, rides Flying Nimbus & Attack Ball, and has Tail.
  3. Kenshiro in prime, wields nunchaku, six-sectioned staffs & throwing knives, has Seals Lifted, and goes 100% Mode.
  4. 1-on-1 death battle.
  5. No interference or holding back.

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Anywhere in World Martial Arts Tournament, now let the death battle between the Kungfu men begin!

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Kenshiro the actual martial artist wins.

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#4  Edited By Rxdking

Does kenshin still have his hokuto shinken?

This fight is hard to scale when you say "powerless"

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Is this end of DB Goku? Or End of Super Goku? Big difference skill wise.

Either way in terms of raw technical skill, a case for Goku having the advantage can be made, but that skill is meaningless without an appropriate approach to technique which Kenshiro is superior in, he can literally press pressure points that can kill with elbow strikes, knee strikes, and finger pokes. H2H is in Ken's favor due to superior technique.

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@deathhero61 said:

Is this end of DB Goku? Or End of Super Goku? Big difference skill wise.

Either way in terms of raw technical skill, a case for Goku having the advantage can be made, but that skill is meaningless without an appropriate approach to technique which Kenshiro is superior in, he can literally press pressure points that can kill with elbow strikes, knee strikes, and finger pokes. H2H is in Ken's favor due to superior technique.

End of Dragon Ball Z manga.

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@rxdking said:

Does kenshin still have his hokuto shinken?

This fight is hard to scale when you say "powerless"

Yeah he does, but he can't make people explode, etc.

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Ken wins without too much trouble

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Bump.

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Sure, Goku weighs less than I do. Sure Japan.

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Kenshiro no debate.

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Ken

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@supermanthor: @emanresu_20: @yoa_501: All of you people who said Kenshiro wins, I don't disagree with you, but I need explanation why Kenshiro wins, other than Kenshiro wins.

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Sure, Goku weighs less than I do. Sure Japan.

LOL.

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Sure, Goku weighs less than I do. Sure Japan.

Haha!

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How’s he tagging Goku who can sense the slightest change in the atmosphere

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In real life, that weight difference is HUGE. Between two opponents of debatably similar skill levels, a nearly 100lbs weight difference is likely insurmountable. I don't think Goku can win this.

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#19  Edited By Gilateen

Could go either way

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Ken, his "martial arts" are literal hax. He's probably the most skilled character in anime/manga and one of the best in entire fiction.

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#21  Edited By YOA_501

@godsvileanddarkwing: Ken has the ability to sense ki as well he also has body reading and can predict one next move and counter it on the spot, he also can copy any style he sees with Martial arts skills that include nanto style that can slice one flash even in this stat level or body control and manipulation via hokuto shinken that targets pressure points on the spot with hax like making you blinde or crippled or dead he also can heal himself with it and bypass any martial art skill without overpowering you all he needs is a simple touch that it.

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@yoa_501 said:

@godsvileanddarkwing: Ken has the ability to sense ki as well he also has body reading and can predict one next move and counter it on the spot, he also can copy any style he sees with Martial arts skills that include nanto style that can slice one flash even in this stat level or body control and manipulation via hokuto shinken that targets pressure points on the spot with hax like making you blinde or crippled or dead he also can heal himself with it and bypass any martial art skill without overpowering you all he needs is a simple touch that it.

What part of "powerless" Kenshiro you don't understand? He doesn't have his anime-esques abilities since all that stuff doesn't happen in real life.

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How’s he tagging Goku who can sense the slightest change in the atmosphere

"Powerless" Goku.

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#24  Edited By YOA_501

@godsvileanddarkwing: he doesn’t need he’s power/stat to use some of his abilities only he’s skills and take his skills set away and this thread is pointless

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@yoa_501 said:

@godsvileanddarkwing: Ken has the ability to sense ki as well he also has body reading and can predict one next move and counter it on the spot, he also can copy any style he sees with Martial arts skills that include nanto style that can slice one flash even in this stat level or body control and manipulation via hokuto shinken that targets pressure points on the spot with hax like making you blinde or crippled or dead he also can heal himself with it and bypass any martial art skill without overpowering you all he needs is a simple touch that it.

What part of "powerless" Kenshiro you don't understand? He doesn't have his anime-esques abilities since all that stuff doesn't happen in real life.

Everyone is pretty clearly having an issue with how to interpret "powerless" where for BOTH opponents, their martial arts skill is at least partially a basis for their supernatural prowess.

If you don't want to have this conversation a thousand times for every 500 replies, consider laying out in more detail what you want "powerless" to mean for each opponent.

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@deathhero61 said:

Is this end of DB Goku? Or End of Super Goku? Big difference skill wise.

Either way in terms of raw technical skill, a case for Goku having the advantage can be made, but that skill is meaningless without an appropriate approach to technique which Kenshiro is superior in, he can literally press pressure points that can kill with elbow strikes, knee strikes, and finger pokes. H2H is in Ken's favor due to superior technique.

End of Dragon Ball Z manga.

So no Super? it’s End of DB Goku? Btw, in the Japanese release of the manga “Dragon Ball” is the Emperor Pilaf arc all the way to Majin Boo.

Just bringing that up incase your response was a correction.

Kenshiro via pressure points.

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Goku wins.

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Kenshiro due to weighing more, having more reach, and pressure points.

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Kenshiro , maybe.

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Well since goku doesn't have powers and is just naturally strong due to his heritage as evidenced by dragonball, and he is then trained and refined his skills, even the kamehameha is not a power, but a technique. I would have to say goku pretty easily.

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@godsvileanddarkwing: That’s not one of his “powers” it’s a skill

energy manipulation in DBZ is a power, and that power is used to amplify stats, to give birth to other abilities like telekinesis, flight, laser attacks, and much more.

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How’s he tagging Goku who can sense the slightest change in the atmosphere

That's literally a sensory ability, although developed through training, at least Ken's "powers" for the most part are sheer martial arts.

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So just technique

Kenshiro incapacitates Goku with a poke

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@unusual_suspect said:
@godsvileanddarkwing said:
@yoa_501 said:

@godsvileanddarkwing: Ken has the ability to sense ki as well he also has body reading and can predict one next move and counter it on the spot, he also can copy any style he sees with Martial arts skills that include nanto style that can slice one flash even in this stat level or body control and manipulation via hokuto shinken that targets pressure points on the spot with hax like making you blinde or crippled or dead he also can heal himself with it and bypass any martial art skill without overpowering you all he needs is a simple touch that it.

What part of "powerless" Kenshiro you don't understand? He doesn't have his anime-esques abilities since all that stuff doesn't happen in real life.

Everyone is pretty clearly having an issue with how to interpret "powerless" where for BOTH opponents, their martial arts skill is at least partially a basis for their supernatural prowess.

If you don't want to have this conversation a thousand times for every 500 replies, consider laying out in more detail what you want "powerless" to mean for each opponent.

It's just real life hand-to-hand combat, that's it.

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goku being 136 pounds is impossible. He would weigh at least 190

The top professional bodybuilders at 5’8” with less muscle than goku weigh 180

Kenshiro in real life would weigh 270-290 pounds

just wanted to point that out

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@deathhero61: He’s not even using Ki thought so how’s that a power...

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@whatamiseeing: Goku isn't a Bodybuilder and he's more like 5'7 I don't know where 5'9 came from, he's actually kinda lean when not in SSJ form. But yeah 136lbs is too light 155-165 would be more accurate.

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The size difference between the two is too much. Kenshiro wins due to being 100 pounds heavier.

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#41  Edited By vegetasan
@deathhero61 said:
@precrisisbardock said:

How’s he tagging Goku who can sense the slightest change in the atmosphere

That's literally a sensory ability, although developed through training, at least Ken's "powers" for the most part are sheer martial arts.

Lol no it isn't. It's not "Ki sense" that enables him to do that, he was taught how to feel the subtle vibrations in the atmosphere to discern movement. That's a physical skill that his body is attuned to. He was taught this in a place with very little air to begin with mind you. And what exactly do you mean his powers are "sheer martial arts" ? What does that mean?

OT: Probably Ken anyway, due to size difference.

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#42  Edited By vegetasan

@godsvileanddarkwing said:
@precrisisbardock said:

How’s he tagging Goku who can sense the slightest change in the atmosphere

"Powerless" Goku.

That's not a power my guy. It's not Ki sense. Do they not have their respective training?

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There’s no way Goku only weighs 139 ibs.

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@deathhero61: He’s not even using Ki thought so how’s that a power...

Its literally an ability..... you cannot tell me that being able to fight with your eyes closes by feeling the literal atmosphere is legit a skill more than it is a power. Even then, its not that useful in a direct fight where both opponents are staring dead at each other powerless. Said ability is the baseline of Dende's and Kami's ability to see everything that happens on earth.

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I'm not going back and forth with this crap, @godsvileanddarkwing what is your ruling on the term "powerless"? A sheer hand to hand fight with no external abilities? No additional senses, no ki blasts, no shockwave techniques, etc. etc. Or simply stats equalized with no ki manipulation, TK, flight and such?

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I'm not going back and forth with this crap, @godsvileanddarkwing what is your ruling on the term "powerless"? A sheer hand to hand fight with no external abilities? No additional senses, no ki blasts, no shockwave techniques, etc. etc. Or simply stats equalized with no ki manipulation, TK, flight and such?

Plz don't. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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#47  Edited By TheDeathstar

Goku takes it. Not just he is more skilled but agile as well. There was a thread already similar to this which didn't go well for Kenshiro. Goku pretty much has better understanding of Martial Arts than Ken and has Reactive Adaptation in midst of battle.

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Kenshiro stomps TBH Goku's skill is highly overrated.

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@vegetasan: about a billion characters can shadow box this isn't high end martial arts.