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#1 Edited by GodsVileandDarkwing (1554 posts) - - Show Bio
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Rules:

  1. This is Goku from the final chapter of Dragon Ball Z without any injuries; whereas this is Kenshiro from the final chapter of Fist of the North Star: The Cursed City without any injuries.
  2. Goku in prime, goes Unlocked Potential, God-like Saiyan, Supervillain, Change & Potential Unleashed, transforms into Super Saiyan 3, uses Kaio-ken x100, absorbs Universe 7's Spirit Bomb, Blutz Waves & Ki to limit, wears Battle Armor, Time Ring, Metamo-Ring & Potara, removes weighted clothing, has Senzu Beans, Zeno's Button & Dragon Radar, wields Power Pole & Sword of Hope, rides Flying Nimbus & Attack Ball, and has Tail.
  3. Kenshiro in prime, wields nunchaku, six-sectioned staffs & throwing knives, has Seals Lifted, and goes 100% Mode.
  4. 1-on-1 death battle.
  5. No interference or holding back.

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Anywhere in World Martial Arts Tournament, now let the death battle between the Kungfu men begin!

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#3 Posted by Nelomaxwell (14172 posts) - - Show Bio

Kenshiro the actual martial artist wins.

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#4 Edited by Rxdking (1071 posts) - - Show Bio

Does kenshin still have his hokuto shinken?

This fight is hard to scale when you say "powerless"

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#6 Posted by DeathHero61 (18830 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this end of DB Goku? Or End of Super Goku? Big difference skill wise.

Either way in terms of raw technical skill, a case for Goku having the advantage can be made, but that skill is meaningless without an appropriate approach to technique which Kenshiro is superior in, he can literally press pressure points that can kill with elbow strikes, knee strikes, and finger pokes. H2H is in Ken's favor due to superior technique.

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#7 Edited by GodsVileandDarkwing (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61 said:

Is this end of DB Goku? Or End of Super Goku? Big difference skill wise.

Either way in terms of raw technical skill, a case for Goku having the advantage can be made, but that skill is meaningless without an appropriate approach to technique which Kenshiro is superior in, he can literally press pressure points that can kill with elbow strikes, knee strikes, and finger pokes. H2H is in Ken's favor due to superior technique.

End of Dragon Ball Z manga.

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#8 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

@rxdking said:

Does kenshin still have his hokuto shinken?

This fight is hard to scale when you say "powerless"

Yeah he does, but he can't make people explode, etc.

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#9 Posted by YOA_501 (685 posts) - - Show Bio

Ken wins without too much trouble

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#10 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#11 Posted by The_Hajduk (6305 posts) - - Show Bio

Sure, Goku weighs less than I do. Sure Japan.

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#12 Posted by Emanresu_20 (3000 posts) - - Show Bio

Kenshiro no debate.

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#13 Posted by Supermanthor (20208 posts) - - Show Bio

Ken

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#14 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanthor: @emanresu_20: @yoa_501: All of you people who said Kenshiro wins, I don't disagree with you, but I need explanation why Kenshiro wins, other than Kenshiro wins.

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#15 Posted by IndomitableRegal (16220 posts) - - Show Bio

Sure, Goku weighs less than I do. Sure Japan.

LOL.

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#16 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

Sure, Goku weighs less than I do. Sure Japan.

Haha!

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#17 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8908 posts) - - Show Bio

How’s he tagging Goku who can sense the slightest change in the atmosphere

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#18 Posted by BathroomMan (96 posts) - - Show Bio

In real life, that weight difference is HUGE. Between two opponents of debatably similar skill levels, a nearly 100lbs weight difference is likely insurmountable. I don't think Goku can win this.

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#19 Edited by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

Could go either way

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#20 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

Ken, his "martial arts" are literal hax. He's probably the most skilled character in anime/manga and one of the best in entire fiction.

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#21 Edited by YOA_501 (685 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: Ken has the ability to sense ki as well he also has body reading and can predict one next move and counter it on the spot, he also can copy any style he sees with Martial arts skills that include nanto style that can slice one flash even in this stat level or body control and manipulation via hokuto shinken that targets pressure points on the spot with hax like making you blinde or crippled or dead he also can heal himself with it and bypass any martial art skill without overpowering you all he needs is a simple touch that it.

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#22 Edited by GodsVileandDarkwing (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

@yoa_501 said:

@godsvileanddarkwing: Ken has the ability to sense ki as well he also has body reading and can predict one next move and counter it on the spot, he also can copy any style he sees with Martial arts skills that include nanto style that can slice one flash even in this stat level or body control and manipulation via hokuto shinken that targets pressure points on the spot with hax like making you blinde or crippled or dead he also can heal himself with it and bypass any martial art skill without overpowering you all he needs is a simple touch that it.

What part of "powerless" Kenshiro you don't understand? He doesn't have his anime-esques abilities since all that stuff doesn't happen in real life.

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#23 Posted by GodsVileandDarkwing (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

How’s he tagging Goku who can sense the slightest change in the atmosphere

"Powerless" Goku.

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#24 Edited by YOA_501 (685 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: he doesn’t need he’s power/stat to use some of his abilities only he’s skills and take his skills set away and this thread is pointless

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#25 Posted by Unusual_Suspect (752 posts) - - Show Bio

@yoa_501 said:

@godsvileanddarkwing: Ken has the ability to sense ki as well he also has body reading and can predict one next move and counter it on the spot, he also can copy any style he sees with Martial arts skills that include nanto style that can slice one flash even in this stat level or body control and manipulation via hokuto shinken that targets pressure points on the spot with hax like making you blinde or crippled or dead he also can heal himself with it and bypass any martial art skill without overpowering you all he needs is a simple touch that it.

What part of "powerless" Kenshiro you don't understand? He doesn't have his anime-esques abilities since all that stuff doesn't happen in real life.

Everyone is pretty clearly having an issue with how to interpret "powerless" where for BOTH opponents, their martial arts skill is at least partially a basis for their supernatural prowess.

If you don't want to have this conversation a thousand times for every 500 replies, consider laying out in more detail what you want "powerless" to mean for each opponent.

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#26 Posted by MainJP (6190 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61 said:

Is this end of DB Goku? Or End of Super Goku? Big difference skill wise.

Either way in terms of raw technical skill, a case for Goku having the advantage can be made, but that skill is meaningless without an appropriate approach to technique which Kenshiro is superior in, he can literally press pressure points that can kill with elbow strikes, knee strikes, and finger pokes. H2H is in Ken's favor due to superior technique.

End of Dragon Ball Z manga.

So no Super? it’s End of DB Goku? Btw, in the Japanese release of the manga “Dragon Ball” is the Emperor Pilaf arc all the way to Majin Boo.

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Just bringing that up incase your response was a correction.

Kenshiro via pressure points.

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#27 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku wins.

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#28 Posted by LJayG (1373 posts) - - Show Bio

Kenshiro due to weighing more, having more reach, and pressure points.

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#29 Posted by Aqualion0 (2116 posts) - - Show Bio

Kenshiro , maybe.

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#30 Posted by killraven4334 (1162 posts) - - Show Bio

Well since goku doesn't have powers and is just naturally strong due to his heritage as evidenced by dragonball, and he is then trained and refined his skills, even the kamehameha is not a power, but a technique. I would have to say goku pretty easily.

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#31 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8908 posts) - - Show Bio
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#32 Posted by DeathHero61 (18830 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing: That’s not one of his “powers” it’s a skill

energy manipulation in DBZ is a power, and that power is used to amplify stats, to give birth to other abilities like telekinesis, flight, laser attacks, and much more.

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#33 Posted by DeathHero61 (18830 posts) - - Show Bio

How’s he tagging Goku who can sense the slightest change in the atmosphere

That's literally a sensory ability, although developed through training, at least Ken's "powers" for the most part are sheer martial arts.

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#34 Posted by ChaosKnight75 (1029 posts) - - Show Bio

So just technique

Kenshiro incapacitates Goku with a poke

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#35 Edited by GodsVileandDarkwing (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

@unusual_suspect said:
@godsvileanddarkwing said:
@yoa_501 said:

@godsvileanddarkwing: Ken has the ability to sense ki as well he also has body reading and can predict one next move and counter it on the spot, he also can copy any style he sees with Martial arts skills that include nanto style that can slice one flash even in this stat level or body control and manipulation via hokuto shinken that targets pressure points on the spot with hax like making you blinde or crippled or dead he also can heal himself with it and bypass any martial art skill without overpowering you all he needs is a simple touch that it.

What part of "powerless" Kenshiro you don't understand? He doesn't have his anime-esques abilities since all that stuff doesn't happen in real life.

Everyone is pretty clearly having an issue with how to interpret "powerless" where for BOTH opponents, their martial arts skill is at least partially a basis for their supernatural prowess.

If you don't want to have this conversation a thousand times for every 500 replies, consider laying out in more detail what you want "powerless" to mean for each opponent.

It's just real life hand-to-hand combat, that's it.

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#36 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1690 posts) - - Show Bio

goku being 136 pounds is impossible. He would weigh at least 190

The top professional bodybuilders at 5’8” with less muscle than goku weigh 180

Kenshiro in real life would weigh 270-290 pounds

just wanted to point that out

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#37 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8908 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61: He’s not even using Ki thought so how’s that a power...

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#38 Posted by deactivated-5c531dce659a2 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio
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#39 Posted by deactivated-5c531dce659a2 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

@whatamiseeing: Goku isn't a Bodybuilder and he's more like 5'7 I don't know where 5'9 came from, he's actually kinda lean when not in SSJ form. But yeah 136lbs is too light 155-165 would be more accurate.

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#40 Posted by Mee09 (5765 posts) - - Show Bio

The size difference between the two is too much. Kenshiro wins due to being 100 pounds heavier.

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#41 Edited by vegetasan (485 posts) - - Show Bio
@deathhero61 said:
@precrisisbardock said:

How’s he tagging Goku who can sense the slightest change in the atmosphere

That's literally a sensory ability, although developed through training, at least Ken's "powers" for the most part are sheer martial arts.

Lol no it isn't. It's not "Ki sense" that enables him to do that, he was taught how to feel the subtle vibrations in the atmosphere to discern movement. That's a physical skill that his body is attuned to. He was taught this in a place with very little air to begin with mind you. And what exactly do you mean his powers are "sheer martial arts" ? What does that mean?

OT: Probably Ken anyway, due to size difference.

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#42 Edited by vegetasan (485 posts) - - Show Bio

@godsvileanddarkwing said:
@precrisisbardock said:

How’s he tagging Goku who can sense the slightest change in the atmosphere

"Powerless" Goku.

That's not a power my guy. It's not Ki sense. Do they not have their respective training?

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#43 Posted by Matthew660 (1676 posts) - - Show Bio

There’s no way Goku only weighs 139 ibs.

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#44 Posted by DeathHero61 (18830 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61: He’s not even using Ki thought so how’s that a power...

Its literally an ability..... you cannot tell me that being able to fight with your eyes closes by feeling the literal atmosphere is legit a skill more than it is a power. Even then, its not that useful in a direct fight where both opponents are staring dead at each other powerless. Said ability is the baseline of Dende's and Kami's ability to see everything that happens on earth.

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#45 Posted by DeathHero61 (18830 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not going back and forth with this crap, @godsvileanddarkwing what is your ruling on the term "powerless"? A sheer hand to hand fight with no external abilities? No additional senses, no ki blasts, no shockwave techniques, etc. etc. Or simply stats equalized with no ki manipulation, TK, flight and such?

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#46 Posted by vegetasan (485 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not going back and forth with this crap, @godsvileanddarkwing what is your ruling on the term "powerless"? A sheer hand to hand fight with no external abilities? No additional senses, no ki blasts, no shockwave techniques, etc. etc. Or simply stats equalized with no ki manipulation, TK, flight and such?

Plz don't. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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#47 Edited by TheDeathstar (4334 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku takes it. Not just he is more skilled but agile as well. There was a thread already similar to this which didn't go well for Kenshiro. Goku pretty much has better understanding of Martial Arts than Ken and has Reactive Adaptation in midst of battle.

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#48 Posted by deactivated-5c531dce659a2 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

Kenshiro stomps TBH Goku's skill is highly overrated.

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#49 Posted by vegetasan (485 posts) - - Show Bio
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#50 Posted by deactivated-5c531dce659a2 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegetasan: about a billion characters can shadow box this isn't high end martial arts.