Super 17 vs Beerus and Freeza.

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#1  Edited By PreCrisisBardock

FnF Freeza.

Fight takes place in the time chamber.

Super 17 knows about them, team doesn't know about 17.

Bonus: Goku and Vegeta jump in if team is defeated.

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Super 17 one-shots both of them

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Beerus solos.

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#5  Edited By PreCrisisBardock

@leo-343: How?

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@leo-343: Cooler was a star Buster, your point?

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Lmao. Super 17? Against Beerus? 17 isn't even close to universal

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@saint_of_origin: How isn't he? He stomped all the Z fighters, can absorb any energy that is fired at him, and has Faster Than Instantaneous reaction times.

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@sun-wukong: Are you kidding me? Beerus alone stomps Super 17. He wouldn't even need to use Ki.

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@leo-343: Since you said star busting as it was impressive.

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@mee09: how could Beerus even hit him?

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@precrisisbardock: Faster than instantaneous? That's not a thing. Instantaneous is infinite speed, because no time passes. You cannot be faster than infinite.

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@saint_of_origin: That's how OP he is, he's faster than instant transmission, or his reaction speed is.

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@precrisisbardock: Faster than IT =/= Faster than instant. IT is traveling. When you arrive at your location after you use it, you still have to attack or perform your actions. So there is time that passes. He is most certainly not on Beerus' level.

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@mee09: Source? Beerus got pushed around a little by Super Vegeta while Super 17 didn't even have to try to KO a stronger version, Super 17 has reacted and been faster than Instant Transmission, while Beerus got blitzed by it.

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#20  Edited By micah007123

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Freeza is a non-factor unless it's the Golden version, which would then make this an even bigger mismatch than it already is. Beerus stomps almost effortlessly.

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Hmm well super 17 is vulnerable while absorbing energy. So FnF Freeza fires a death ball at him while Beerus tears him in half. Would be an easy fight honestly. I'm not one of those people who believe that ssj4 goku is stronger than BoG Goku either.Maybe equal if anything.

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#24  Edited By PreCrisisBardock

@profz: But they don't know that, and only if he chooses to stand their while they hit him.

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@saint_of_origin: Debteble. But IT doesn't change speed the stronger you are, it's instant it doesn't go to faster instant.

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@precrisisbardock: No but as I said, it's not the instant speed that you would react to. If I had IT and teleported behind you, and threw a punch, it would still take time for that punch to be thrown. Therefore it's not instant reaction time if you block my punch.

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@saint_of_origin: 17 knew where Goku was before he even appeared, it's still massively faster than beerus.

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@precrisisbardock: That can be said as just knowing where your opponent plans to move. Faster than instant is not a thing. Unless you time travel. So it's either he knew where Goku was through prediction (entirely possible) or IT is not instant in GT. GT is a mess anyway. Filled with more plot holes and inconsistencies than DB itself. And that's saying something. We can most likely attribute that feat to bad writing.

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@saint_of_origin: No, 17 even said himself he can react to the Instant Transmission. And its instant because that is the move. No matter how bad GT is you can't lowball it.

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@mee09: do you? Seems like you're fanboying the cat.

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Super 17 gets raped.

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@precrisisbardock: WIS/PIS is definitely a thing. And I guarantee most people would more readily believe that than 17 being a time traveler.

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@saint_of_origin: Then they accidentally made him Overpowered. And they did multiple times.

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@precrisisbardock: They underpowered IT. You cannot be faster than instant without time travel. It's a fact. A law of reality.

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@saint_of_origin: Then he is at instantaneous reaction speed and is better adjusted to it than a seasoned user.

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GT fans seem to think GT scaling means anything to DBZ at all. GT is not cannon to DBZ so stop thinking it automatically scales over it.

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Beerus stomps anyone from the dragon ball univers so does whis

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And the idiocy of power scaling is now on full display. Super 17 is featless. Shoot, SSJ4 Goku is featless.

Whis > Beerus > any other character in anything called Dragon Ball, even non-canon stories (looking at you GT and Movies).

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Beerus stomps. Beerus and Whis > any DBZ/GT character. It's retarded to powerscale GT over DBZ because GT is non canon and neither God of Destruction exist in GT timeline

Beerus 1 shots Omega Shenron and SS4 Gogeta as well

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@precrisisbardock: No. S17 states he can detect the distortion in the atmosphere created by Goku physically re-materializing and that allows him to know where Goku will reappear. Not that he could keep up with it, since it's Teleportation.

GT fails miserably. Beerus solos the entire series.

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#44  Edited By Nomar

And lets be honest here. IT in the anime is not instant. It's got some fade in and out time(hence why S17 could detect anomalies). Not long but long enough to react to it. It's near instant.

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#45  Edited By Uchiha545

Team Wins in character Beerus and Frieza won't start off with their most powerful ki attacks which I think 17 will need to beat them. Once they fire a ki attack and see him absorb it they'll just beat him physically.

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@sc: mismatch, Berus alone stomps by both feats and statements.

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@mee09: Super 17 murders his head into the ground, the power scaling in DBGT is far too great, Beerus didn't do anything impressive in the movie that Gohan-Buu couldn't do. Statements put him above Super Vegito

Beerus is stronger then Vegito, where even Super baby 1 is said to be the strongest Ki ever. And SSj4 Goku is far above Super baby 1. Even Rildo base > Kid Buu > Gohan-Buu, who base Goku is stronger in GT.

Super 17 smashes the entire DBZ universe to pieces. This is a massive mismatch.

And seriously, people do not compare feats in DBZ, this is not marvel and DC where the beater feat wins, otherwise Kid Goku > SSJ4 Goku

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#48  Edited By Nefarious

Beerus can solo GT.

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@sc: mismatch, Berus alone stomps by both feats and statements.

They aren't gonna lock this one bc it has enough potential for discussion, albeit an infinitesimal amount...The ppl defending the team would have to present an irrefutable case in order for this to be locked.

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