This is bordering TOWK level.
Sundipped Superman vs Thanos
People are argueing for Supes here? Normal Superman is close to Thanos? Darkseid would give Thanos a run for his money?
I can feel my sanity dropping to 0
@kevd4wg: Probably Deathbattle logic. But hey Superman can lift infinity and is millions of times FTL, he is also capable of vaporising planets with his HV and can tank 50 supernovas.
@kevd4wg: Probably Deathbattle logic. But hey Superman can lift infinity and is millions of times FTL, he is also capable of vaporising planets with his HV and can tank 50 supernovas.
I second this
@kevd4wg: Probably Deathbattle logic. But hey Superman can lift infinity and is millions of times FTL, he is also capable of vaporising planets with his HV and can tank 50 supernovas.
a lot faster than that.
@kevd4wg: Probably Deathbattle logic. But hey Superman can lift infinity and is millions of times FTL, he is also capable of vaporising planets with his HV and can tank 50 supernovas.
Why are you downplaying Superman!?!?!?!??!?!!?!
@standardized: Please tell me you're joking
Why are you downplaying Superman!?!?!?!??!?!!?!
Oh, my bad, I forgot about the part where he is limitless and can no sell a universal level spirit bomb.
@standardized: Please tell me you're joking
In terms of travel speed he's far faster than that. Hell he's flown from the edge of the universe back to earth in 60 days. Not like it matters though cause thanos still curbs him.
Does Thanos have auto-shields that can react to a sun dipped blitzing Superman? Does Thanos have reaction feats to react to a Superman blitz? Does Thanos have the speed to move in accordance to his reaction speed? Does Thanos get to start with a shield? Does Thanos have shields powerful enough to withstand a Superman blitz? Do Thanos’s shields stop him from being moved at all, or can he be knocked around inside the shield by a considerable force like Superman did to Green Lantern and Batman in the animated movie? How strong is Thanos’s telepathy? Does his telepathy require gear or is it innate? How strong is Thanos? What are his best blunt force durability feats?
From what I know Superman takes this. 24 hour sun-dip is a ludicrous amp along with bloodlust on, I think this will easily give him the strength and Speed to keep Thanos on the back foot unable to react.
@crunch5481: To be perfectly fair, I have spent a lot of time reading Supermans comics. I know well enough what his feats are in context and what level of foes he can defeat consistently. Even with Sun-dip not only pure speculation of power levels will help, it would still be a mismatch. As long as we are not counting massively inconsistent outliers.
Why are you downplaying Superman!?!?!?!??!?!!?!
Oh, my bad, I forgot about the part where he is limitless and can no sell a universal level spirit bomb.
That's better. Watch yourself next time!
Does Thanos have auto-shields that can react to a sun dipped blitzing Superman? Does Thanos have reaction feats to react to a Superman blitz? Does Thanos have the speed to move in accordance to his reaction speed? Does Thanos get to start with a shield? Does Thanos have shields powerful enough to withstand a Superman blitz? Do Thanos’s shields stop him from being moved at all, or can he be knocked around inside the shield by a considerable force like Superman did to Green Lantern and Batman in the animated movie? How strong is Thanos’s telepathy? Does his telepathy require gear or is it innate? How strong is Thanos? What are his best blunt force durability feats?
From what I know Superman takes this. 24 hour sun-dip is a ludicrous amp along with bloodlust on, I think this will easily give him the strength and Speed to keep Thanos on the back foot unable to react.
They are automatic, meaning they're already up when the fight begins.
Yes
Yes? Thats what reactionspeed is.
It's standard gear, ofcourse he does.
Unless Supes hits harder than Galactus hell yes.
So far his shields have made him unmoveable, so yes.
Strong enough to TP Supes.
Innate.
Strong enough to lay Supes on his ass.
Going toe to toe with a mad Thor who was trashing people like Warlock and Surfer, then Thor got the PG and was one-shotting/two-shotting those same people. Thanos then went toe to toe with him for an entire issue, with Thor (Who was mad AND had the PG) only being able to give him a bloody nose.
His strength will be matched at least, his speed isn't enough to win the fight at all and Thanos will react and kill him.
I haven’t really read pre-52 much but I’ve seen plenty of his feats in scans here. Haven’t really seen much of Thanos for scans only what people have said about the scans. He sounds OP though.
So does anyone has any serious arguments here or just random "Thanos will do this or that" based on nothing.
@thehierarchy: Would you like to match feats with Superman with Thanos then? Just normal Superman, not even sundipped Superman.
Automatic doesn’t necessarily mean they’re always on, but okay.
Really? Thanos has that fast a reaction time? Even compared to a 24-hour sun-dipped Superman?? I’d like to see scans, but alrighty.
Well no, what I mean is for instance in X-Men Apocalypse, Apoc is able to somewhat react to QS after getting punched a couple of times, but he is only able to use his sand-TK not actually move his limbs that fast. I was asking if Thanos could move as fast as he can perceive, also similar to like Characters who have insane travel speed, yet usually don’t operate on a similar level in terms of reactions in battle.
Starting with a shield already up is dumb in my opinion. I usually think of matches starting where neither one has anything activated yet, no powers or what not and whatever they want to use they must start using during the battle. But okay.
Don’t really know too much firsthand about Galactus, only what I’ve heard people say about his feats. I understand him to be a casual planet destroyer, and Based off previous showings I think Superman under these conditions could also be a casual planet destroyer. But okay.
Okay cool, seems like super powerful shields.
Okay.
Okay.
Really? Even a 24-hour sun dipped Superman? I doubt it, but okay.
I think Thor and Superman are pretty equal strength wise at base, and based on what you’re saying Thor was doing to the other people then I’d say he wasn’t amped more than 5-10x by the PG, not to mention I know the infinity stones are inconsistent person to person. I know Superman gets like 3x boost in just 15 minutes (I think that was Pre-52), so what im saying is I think that 24-hour sundipped Superman would beat a PG Thor, and thus would do better against Thanos. Also if Thanos was given a little trouble by Thor then why would a vastly faster Superman with a huge amp have the same trouble. Anyways this is based off speculation because we don’t have actual feats for sun-dipped Superman.
If everything you said about Thanos is true, then he is way too Overpowered. Why does this man even need a Infinity Gauntet LMAO!? But if I’m just gonna take what you said with a grain of salt because there’s almost always exaggeration or lack of context when people lay out feats in words. I still think the speed plus a comparable level of strength would let him win.
Anyways I appreciate the answers to my question, Thank You.
@hellionvulcan: So has Jane Thor and even snow giants who Odin couldn't beat but melted into snow in the presence of heat.
Superman has himself gone toe to toe with skyfather level beings and done much better than getting Wrecked like Thanos against Odin.
Careful now, the marvel fanboys will be all over you like a rash. I once suggested that it is arguable certain versions of Superman are comparable to Odin and I immediately had a swarm of them attack me resorting to ad hominem attacks and harassment.
@motifian: Sure thing, come with some consistent feats for normal Superman and I'll give you a better one from Thanos
When Hulk sneak-attacked him they were already on, so automatic should mean they are already up.
He has reacted to blitzes and blasts from SS who has crossed galaxies in moments.
An example of that would be a blast from Surfer (who was pissed) that he casually blocked with his hand.
Galactus is an abstract, someone capable of destroying galaxies when he is moderately fed to starving. (I'll explain Galactus in more detail if you want to, but I can guarantee you Superman is not close)
They are, I have more feats if you want to see them.
Could you give me some feats for a 24-hour sundipped Superman?
The PG has been inconsistent, but even the most inexperienced of people can beat the crap out of people who surf exploding stars for fun, and Thor was one-shotting the highest of heralds and laying a beatdown on Warlock.
I believe Thanos is actually insanely powerful, and I'll happily provide feats (and statements for lulz) to strengthen my this.
No problem man, happy to take on a debate ?
@crunch5481: Well, I cant change your opinion. But consistently speaking Superman is not meant to defeat beings on Thanos level. He has trouble beating Team busters. Thanos is one of the Top teambusters. He needs the Justice League for that, even that might not be enough Thanos is really powerful being who can make short work of of the Avengers and stand up to some really powerful characters due to durability.
I kinda feel if someone like Base Thor is able to make Thanos flinch at the very least, Superman, with his power being boosted by well over 10000 fold, should be enough to overwhelm Thanos' physical strength. I understand that Thanos is a powerful team-buster, but Superman is being amped to the point where that seemingly becomes a non-issue. I am nearly certain that he can tank Thanos' energy blast based on Superman's base feats against things like the Omega Beams and so on, he is faster based on sundipped feats alone, he should be stronger based on his Imperiex Prime feat, and he should be resistant to Thanos' hax abilities such as telepathy and matter manipulation based on the fact that he fights people with those abilities all the time in the form of Darkseid and others.
@dimlylitlantern: warrior madness Thor with(iirc) the power gem could only make Thanos smile with a slightly bloody nose. Superman is getting back handed
Thanos has too many tricks up his sleeve. If he doesn't brawl he wins, and he's a smart guy so I doubt he would.
@motifian: Sure thing, come with some consistent feats for normal Superman and I'll give you a better one from Thanos
What do you mean by consistent feats? Feats approved by you?
Why don't you come with consistent (In Thanos case every high feats apparently) and I'll give you better feats from Superman?
When Hulk sneak-attacked him they were already on, so automatic should mean they are already up.
Yet, we are supposed to believe he tanks attacks from Surfer without any force field?
He has reacted to blitzes and blasts from SS who has crossed galaxies in moments.
Surfer traverses galaxies with hyperspace. Green Lanterns have crosses universe within moments by that account and Superman has outright blitzed them. Even Supergirl has done so.
An example of that would be a blast from Surfer (who was pissed) that he casually blocked with his hand.
So has Cyborg Superman who casually tanked attacks from Surfer.
Galactus is an abstract, someone capable of destroying galaxies when he is moderately fed to starving. (I'll explain Galactus in more detail if you want to, but I can guarantee you Superman is not close)
Destroying galaxies, huh? Could you show us Galactus destroying galaxies?
Even Imperiex probes destroyed galaxies in OWAW BTW.
In fact one imperiex probe destroyed it on panel. And if you don't know, they create the hollowers from their own constructs.
Heck even Brainiac 13 was ripping entire timeline to shreds and had converted entire universe into his own image in future.
These are the threats regular Superman beat back.
They are, I have more feats if you want to see them.
Could you give me some feats for a 24-hour sundipped Superman?
Why don't you compete with regular Superman first?
The PG has been inconsistent, but even the most inexperienced of people can beat the crap out of people who surf exploding stars for fun, and Thor was one-shotting the highest of heralds and laying a beatdown on Warlock.
So characters like say Green Lantern, Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter? Or say 100,000 daxamites?
Because one imperiex probe defeated entire JLA and one imperiex probe defeated 100,000 daxamites.
Yet regular Superman defeated them in OWAW.
I believe Thanos is actually insanely powerful, and I'll happily provide feats (and statements for lulz) to strengthen my this.
No problem man, happy to take on a debate ?
So is Superman.
@dimlylitlantern: I'll explain it in a couple of hours, but i feel like some users here made a good case already.
@dimlylitlantern: 15min in the sun only tripled his strength. Assuming that remained consistent, after 24hrs he’d only be 288x stronger. Which really doesn’t mean anything to Thanos. At this stage Supra might just be moderately sized planet level. Which is still laughable in the face of solar system and galaxy busters that Thanos contends with regularly.
Honestly, Supes juiced up makes no difference since Thanos can drain the energy right out of him. An amped Silver Surfer is no match for Thanos. And Surfer trumps Supes any day of the week.
Forget about a couple of hours, im bored right now, lol.
I kinda feel if someone like Base Thor is able to make Thanos flinch at the very least.
We don't base arguments on what you feel here, its based on feats. And based on consistent feats, Thanos ain't getting anything more than a tickle from base Superman, considering he has no-sold Planetary explosions on 3 instances, no sold energy blasts from Surfer, tanked hits from blodlusted power-gem Thor, tanked hits/blasts from Odin Pre-Aaron, survived a big black hole, Survived blasts from Kosmos etc etc etc.
Superman, with his power being boosted by well over 10000 fold, should be enough to overwhelm Thanos' physical strength.
If you can back it up with feats, then yes, but keep in mind, to hurt Thanos you'll need Star-level punches or blasts. That is, Thanos without his shield.
I understand that Thanos is a powerful team-buster, but Superman is being amped to the point where that seemingly becomes a non-issue.
Nope, Thanos' durability has given Skyfathers problem, it still an issue for Sun-dipped Superman.
I am nearly certain that he can tank Thanos' energy blast based on Superman's base feats against things like the Omega Beams and so on
No, in no way can base Superman 'tank' Thanos blasts, not unless you count Superman's outliers.
he is faster based on sundipped feats alone, he should be stronger based on his Imperiex Prime feat
Care to post those feats?
and he should be resistant to Thanos' hax abilities such as telepathy and matter manipulation based on the fact that he fights people with those abilities all the time in the form of Darkseid and others.
I doubt Superman can resist Thanos' TP. Matter manip, yes i can see him resisting matter manip. It's not like it matters, Thanos doesn't need hax to beat Superman. All he needs to do is bullrush Superman through planets and blast him to death.
Battle 2: Sundipped Thanos vs Superman with Infinity Gauntlet.
Battle 2: Sundipped Thanos vs Superman with Infinity Gauntlet.
Dat twist..... I like it
@20damon: I said Thanos will have difficulty with regular Superman.
You're posting nothing to change my mind of that.
C'mon, there must be something Thanos has done beyond Superman, right?
@motifian: Feats that fall in linr with all his other feats, that's what consistent means.
I'll post some soon.
@motifian: Yes you are because he has, consistently and easily.
1. He has done it without
2. Even in hyperspace it still means Surfer travelled this fast
3. Show me them, and travelspeed =/= combatspeed, Thanos reacted to Surfer coming by him, meaning Thanos did react to travelspeed.
Ehm what? Are you using non-canon crossovers? You do know what non-canon means right?
You are missing a bunch of context.
Then show me his feats, his best and even inconsistent feats if you're so into it.
Surfer has better durability than anyone in the JL, so one-shotting him means PG Thor is one-shotting all of those.
Then post some feats.
I have to say, disappointing debating so far. Few concrete examples,and mostly the usual run-of-the-mill arguments as you usually see.
I would hardly call what is going on here debating, kind of an insult towards actual debates.
@20damon: Right, someone should post Thing nearly caving in Thanos face as response that I guess.
@pipxeroth: Mind showing some feats instead of you know, contributing nothing?
@dimlylitlantern: those shields have stopped mjolnir, power stone welding champion of universe,odin even galactus for some time before galan exterted himself. Superman isn't going through it.
@thehierarchy: So has Superman.
1. You said the shield was automatic. How is it possible that it's both automatic and Thanos tanked Surfer's attack without it?
2. So does GLs. Superman outright blitzes them
3. Show you what exactly? Thanos had infinity gauntlet and as per a new retcon always knew Surfer was coming
4. DC vs Marvel is canon, acknowledged by marvel
5. Show the context then
6. Will do. Show Thanos feats first
7. Surfer has hardly any durability feat beyond a regular GL. Forget about better durability than Superman
8. You first
@motifian: not full on debating but
Point 1 and 7 are wrong.
1. Thanos has auto shields but if he wants he can turn it off. He knows surfer can't injure him much that's why he had them off. There is nothing to assume he would start with if off in this battle. When he has his shields on there is an invisible or visible sphere around him... He has tanked Odin's blasts without it.
7. Surfer has flown straight through a giant star and rides supernovas for "fun" he is definitely above regular GL durability wise.
So has Superman.
1. You said the shield was automatic. How is it possible that it's both automatic and Thanos tanked Surfer's attack without it?
Tanked attacks from Silver Surfer? Seems legit.
Because Thanos can turn the off just as easily, Thanos sometimes looks for a challenge such as Odin, or Tyrant and turns his shields off.
2. So does GLs. Superman outright blitzes them
Travelspeed =/= combatspeed
3. Show you what exactly? Thanos had infinity gauntlet and as per a new retcon always knew Surfer was coming
1. Thanos powered himself down specifically to give the heroes a chance, that was the whole point so the IG is irrelevant.
2. No, he saw him coming and reacted to him.
4. DC vs Marvel is canon, acknowledged by marvel
Either it isn't (which would work out better) or Lobo loses to Wolverine and WW<Storm. You pick which one sounds more logical.
5. Show the context then
I don't have the scans, but if you would be so kind as to post the whole issue that would be great.
6. Will do. Show Thanos feats first
See below
7. Surfer has hardly any durability feat beyond a regular GL. Forget about better durability than Superman
You mean surfing supernova's? Bathing in stars? Destroying planets easily and tanking planet busters to the face without an issue? Yeah, Superman clearly has a higher consistent durability.
8. You first
Then here you go:
Thanos
Here I'll just quickly show why Thanos beats the shit out of Superman, if you wish to counter go ahead, maybe you even want to do a CaV.
Strength
Here Superman is horribly outclassed, it's that simple.
Completely trahses Surfer with 7 blows and brings him to a near-death state. Also no-sells an all out blast from surfer with a wave of his hand, notice the lack of shields. So do show me Superman surviving that.
And if you weren't convinced:
The first two scans show classic Drax and classic Thanos (his weakest incarnation) clash, destroying a planet from the shockwaves of their clashing, and Drax loses.
The last scan shows Drax is a starbuster, and Thanos put him on his ass all the same. So it would be nice if you could show Superman doing anything close to that.
Energy projection
Here Superman is just as outclassed, let me show you.
Here Thanos, while so weakened he could barely stand, completely vaporizes Cancerverse Hulk. (Cancerverse beings were known to be as p-owerful as their 616 incarnations or even more powerful)
The giant in the picture is Ego, a living planet that has held its own against Galactus. Yet Thanos tears him apart with a blast.
Do show me some consistent feats for Superman surviving this.
Durability
Now Superman isn't just outlcassed here, he is so helpless it isn't even funny.
Survives a black hole, 2 lightyears in diameter, collapsing in on itself. When a black hole collapses it transfers all its matter into energy, and a black hole of that size would have produced more energy than out entire galaxy.
Thanos' dead body, which also had a hole in his chest, survives a bloodlusted blast from Galactus that swept the entire galaxy, so not only is his skin insanely durable, but also his insides.
And here is the famous shield scan, showcasing that Thanos' shields took a blast form Galactus, who not only complements his shields, but later on he even states that he is hungry again, while just before he was actually well fed. Shields that make Galactus exert himself that much will not be broken by Superman, plain and simple.
So, I can say for certain Superman can't break them, and I'm interested to see what exactly Superman has done to come even close to this.
@thehierarchy: True
@thehierarchy: True
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