@zgtfreak: Seriously, if you look at the page of LOI (who empowers Akuto)
This is the only thing justifying those two at that tier.
Rejecting all but the Law of Identity would leave yourself facing the one Law of Identity all alone. That would be one origin.
It was possible the one having the dream lived in a world that was itself the dream of someone in another world that was again someone else’s dream, but even if that chain continued back infinitely, one specific origin could be found by facing that one Law of Identity.
It's just some character talking about the possibility of infinitely chained world of dreamers which sounds like it's Infinite Dimensional maybe? It's all "It was possible" and "even IF" like how much of this am I supposed to take seriously again?
But okay, let's ASSUME, this is true. it would be just a Universe in Universe in Universe chain as it would be described. And every level is based upon the medium of a DREAM.
The problem with an Infinite Dimensional Structures like this when compared to those in Marvel and DC would be, is that it would only matter depending on the level you are on.
Let me give an example, Roland from Dark Tower is just a normal street level human cowboy. However, he literally destroys infinite levels of universes and megaverses whenever he steps on the sand on whatever level of the Dark Tower he is. Because in the Dark Tower, every level has infinite universes inside one of its particles in a piece of grass. If you put BATMAN inside the Dark Tower, he literally destroys the infinite universes below the level he is on as well. It's the TOWER making YOU Multiversal, not you.
Thing is, it's not because Roland is Multiversal, it's because the Dark Tower is an abstract construct and it makes ANYONE Multiversal to the level below where you are at. Does that mean Roland is Multiversal? No.
Another example, Superman became Universal+ when he was in New Genesis because normal universes look like bubbles to New Genesis and what made Superman bigger was the BOOM TUBES that transports you there. Does that mean Superman is Universe level now or is it only that way because of the system?
This is the same thing about the feat Lucifer burning Destiny's Book which has been retconned by Gaiman and Morrison to contain DC's Multiverse but you have no idea if normal humans can destroy it with just a lighter. Maybe Batman can destroy it. So if Batman burns Destiny's book with a lighter is Batman Omniversal now?
Or how about this. Remember when 616 Franklin Richards created a Pocket Dimension Universe in his hand that has HUMANS in it, but he LOOKS Universal to the beings inside it by perspective. So what is the baseline for Universal? So is base Franklin Richards Universe level now? Is that a Universe level feat or a Pocket Dimension feat? And how do we know that a Universe in like Umineko or DC is just to be equalled to a pocket universe that Frankin created that had mini humans in it?
Even Umineko has this same problem. Featherine was tearing apart Infinite-D Megaversal books but those books only have Book level durability to the perspective of the realm where she is. You have no idea if people like Kinzo or any normal human can probably do the same. If we put Batman in the City of Books, can he rip apart a book there like Featherine did?
Demon King Daimou is not the only one with this issue, but it suffers the most because there are normal normal street level humans dreaming a universe in their head that repeats ad infinitium. Above and below. So what now? But if you put Beyonder in any of those levels and hierarchies, he can kill any human, it's only a matter of where and what level we put Beyonder in but Beyonder is not inside that Cosmology so it MATTERS MORE on where it takes place.
WHERE is the Cosmology Equalization for comparison? I don't know.
This is the problem with MULTIVERSAL DEBATES that only few like myself and Trex from spacebattles notices. If a Cosmology relies on metaphorical narratives to explain itself like DC, Umineko, Dark Tower and Demon King Daimou (a problem that Marvel doesn't have as much). WHICH is the baseline world that we agree upon?
I don't know what the hell. WE HAVE NO BASELINE STANDARD FOR WHAT IS THE BENCHMARK TO COMPARE A UNIVERSE TO SCALE FOR BETWEEN TWO FICTIONAL SETTINGS.
I don't get it. Because of this dilemma, I almost decided to quit Multiversal debates many times.
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