Strongest Seiya character Zeno could erase?

@deepderp said:

http://saintseiya.wikia.com/wiki/Aries_M%C5%AB#Techniques_and_abilities

Stardust Revolution (スターダストレボリューション, Sutādasuto Reboryūshon): Like Crystal Wall, it is an attack that was handed down by his mentor Aries Shion (The former Aries Gold Saint and the real Pope of Athena's Sanctuary in this modern era). The attack summons stardust from stars and galaxies then throws million of blows instantly. It's well known that the attack has force of shooting stars and comets and obliterates an enemy with raw cosmos power. In Episode G, Mu used this attack to destroy all the hundred arms of the Hechatonchire.

but i thought it created universes....

You thought right, at least when you use the source material anyway:

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Perhaps your wikis didn't bother to include that little tidbit.

@deepderp: I'm not desperate at all. I'm merely trying to give you a piece of advice as to how to achieve good results while debating on Comicvine. A start would be reading both of the manga/anime you're debating about and posting the actual feats from the source material. Instead you resort to quoting from a fanmade wiki that isn't made to be used in vs battles like these, but rather as a general source of information to somehow debunk your opponents argument, which results in you getting corrected by people like TheDarkPaladin. People who've read the entirety of the source material and present evidence from it, that holds considerably more weight than the wikis you attempt to pass of as proof.

And no, I won't "stick to trolling DBZ threads", since I never practiced such an unnecessary thing in the first place and don't ever plan to(despite the hilarity of your responses technically being worth the effort). As for the "leaving the actual debating to someone who actually knows what they're doing", I do think I've been doing precisely that. And TheDarkPaladin is doing an excellent job, wouldn't you say?

Oh, and I'd suggest you calm down and attempt to have a little fun on this site instead of constantly raging at anyone who disagrees at you, I've found it allows for far more enjoyment from both ends. Have a good day.

@deepderp:

She trapped him in a net...while he was using his powers...which were then used to backfire on him...which myu has done before....

For someone who claims to have the manga, you certainly can't seem to get rather basic details right. Mu isn't a she, first off. Second, his attack literally could not backfire on him because the Fairies were caught in the Crystal Net. Your very own gif shows Starlight Extinction removing them from the physical plane.

"You'll only be killing yourself"

i HAVE THE MANGA IN english so i know the dialogue...uunlike you posting some crap in spanish

Oh, someone seems to be familiar with me. An alt of a banned DB fan I debunked in the past, presumably.

if thats the case...why not just use the starlight on him on the first place? She can delete dimensions and gods...why trap him i n a net first if its an auto kill move? LOL

Read that dialogue a bit more carefully, sport. You'll know Mu's attacks were ineffective due to Papillon's continuous dodging:

LOL so what she can teleport an entire dimension? Thats both a lie..and ineffective. From the anime clip you just posted

That's what both the dialogue and illustration confirm, yes. I suppose it's a lie when you've nothing to show otherwise.

does that look like that small light can absorb a dimension?

It's called condensing your attacks. Do these look like the attacks of universe busters:

It barely singed the carpet. Nothing a good shampoo wouldn't fix.

How about this one:

I rest my case.

@hittheassasin:

Save your intelligent responses for people worth giving it for. Derpderp isn't one of them.

@thedarkpaladin: I get what you’re doing lol.

But quick thing, whis never said he’d be destroyed by universal destruction if I recall. Just something like there was nothing he could do about it.

I could be wrong though, but if he said that it may also be because he isn’t allowed to interfere with fights.

@scotchbear: Correct, Whis himself only claimed he could do nothing to stop the energy. The statement I'm referring to was made by Old Kai.

@thedarkpaladin: does he directly reference whis? I know he says goku and Beerus and themselves.

But I don’t think Whis is ever stated to be in danger from universal destruction.

In fact I don’t think any of the angels have ever even shown to be remotely scared of universal destruction, or danger in general. They may just not give a shit lol.

Not directly. He makes a general statement that includes everyone and everything in the universe.

@thedarkpaladin: that’s what I thought. I’ve always been curious why none of the angels ever really show fear or concern over dying or being destroyed.

They just always have that “whatever” look lol

@mainjp: God he’s the most shit of the sharks. I’m a business guy and his offers are total ass 99% of the time lol.

It’s like 75% of the company and like 25% from each sale lol. He pretty much rings you dry. And he loans you the money instead of giving it to you lol. He’s ass

@scotchbear: They don't seem to be concerned about much of anything, really. Lol

@deepderp:

I literally have no idea what you were trying to prove by those videos other than your also slow.. Theyre not even worth making an argument against....youre just slow..Barely singed the carpet? LOL No amount of lowballing is gonna save you ya little liar

Perhaps I need to convey myself in a way someone with your limited grasp on the English language can comprehend. Speaking of that, it's you're also slow, not your. I understand your debating skills never made it past a 4th grade level, but I was hoping your grammar did.

The "lowballing" as you call it is just me using your own egregiously flawed logic against you. No need for you to strain yourself thinking of a comprehensible rebuttal. There's really nothing you can say about it.

they all look like females to me... take hits like one too.

True, at least that don't sound like females:

Or hit like them either:

As for taking hits, we've already covered this:

So what point are you trying to make here? "muh DBZ characters universe busters despite failing to destroy so much as a star on panel." "SS is wanked and their feats of destroying universes and removing dimensions that house entire nebulae from this plane of existence casually doesn't count".

Are you slow or are you just trying to purposefully pretending like you dont understand whats being said?

I understand what's being shown. Myu's fairies trapped in the Crystal Net and Mu sending them to the Underworld with Starlight Extinction (your own gif btw):

Here's the manga's depiction of events:

https://imgur.com/a/Vqm9SBe

Mu said "why not let your fairies escort you to the Underworld"... Which they certainly did, after they were all engulfed by the Starlight Extinction, as the gif clearly shows. Only a single fairy remained afterwards.

He never dodged 1 single attack,....not one not in the anime or manga..in fact he was getting tagged several times

Demonstrably false:

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Blatant dishonesty won't get your anywhere with me. Although it's a predictable tactic from a blatant troll.

Your scan shows Myu being tossed around by Mu's psychokinesis:

so clearly he didnt need to make a net to stop his speed.

Clearly he did, otherwise Mu wouldn't have specified that he could no longer evade incoming attacks:

And that's the only application Crystal Net has.

He made the net so his tatcks would stick to him...

...His Fairies attack by flying to their target and engulfing them, then proceeding to carry them off to the Underworld - both body and soul:

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If they're trapped by the Crystal Net, they can't very well fulfill their purpose, can they?

Youre claiming his attacks works on entire dimensions and not dimensional portals with full blown galaxies but trying to claim he couldnt hit a small human target even tho he literally already did several times...Please If you encountered me before little boy youd remember

I'm claiming what both the dialogue and illustration from the source material make clear. You're reasoning for why that's not the case is both irrational and half-baked, plus it can easily be used against you. Why do DBS characters struggle to tag opponents with Ki blasts if they can really destroy stars, galaxies or even universes like you claim? Only difference is, Mu didn't even try to use Starlight Extinction prior to Papillon being ensnared by the Crystal Net, whereas DBS characters do this repetitively:

LOL i dont need to read the dialogue you little liar

I think you probably should, and make sure to pay close attention to what's going on in the pretty little pictures too:

and theres no amount of lowballing dbz that you can do...to hide that fact

DBZ already does a good enough job at lowballing itself.

and the saints are weak as hell

Like 40 tons weak or...? It's weird how you uploaded a scan confirming Shaka was hit with the power of the Big Bang if you're attempting to show how weak they are... You realize he survived with his Cloth in tact, yes?

LOL its called condensing your attacks....thats funny you little liar because everytime someone says this about dbz you and your saint liar fanboys act like you dont comprehend whats being said..and yet...now its saints condense their attacks? LOL Jesus christ I love you

We love you too, Baltoro. Now I realize the realization that DB is an inferior verse to SS by feats, statements and scaling must be difficult for you to come to terms with, but there's no need to pop a blood vessel in anger. You should really focus on threads where Toriko and Naruto characters are beating DBZ, despite them both being inferior verses.

@thedarkpaladin: honest question. Is saint seiya still going on or is the manga over?

@scotchbear: Episode G: Assassin, Saintia Sho and Next Dimension are all ongoing.

@thedarkpaladin: thank you. The few sites I saw said it ended in like the early 2000s. With some scheduled new anime releases or something.

Why don’t the people arguing for Goku in ss vs goku threads simply wait for the new db series coming out? The one where toriyama literally says he plans on focusing a lot on goku wanking and fan service lol.

@scotchbear: Sounds like that's probably the anime for the original manga. For some reason, the Hades arc wasn't animated until around that time, despite the first few being released around the same time as Dragon Ball.

Do you have an interview where Toriyama actually says this? Lol

@thedarkpaladin: ohh that explains that.

And my bad, he was talking about the movie. He says the Broly movie will be sure to have fan service in it in order to keep fans happy.

And I got mixed up, because of the announcement a while ago after super ended saying how dragon ball was getting its own department at toei which essentially confirmed it will continue at some point.

@deepderp: I knew you were bad, but wow.

This thread, and all that’s happened within it, is another reason why I push from the DBZ side that we stop debating with Saint Seiya, at least like this. This is a shitfest.

@deepderp: Just step away from it man. You’ve been arguing in this thread for a whole day and you seem to be getting emotionally invested. If you think they’re being terrible, be the bigger person and walk away. If nobody from DBZ debates the people from Saint Seiya about DBZ VS Saint Seiya, then all they’re left to do is shout to the wind if they still care. Right now, this is exactly the kind of baited comment chain that some people on here wish for when they make threads like this.

Its true that Saint fans lie a lot since it's not a very popular show here that everyone knows about and take hyperboles at face value. This thread has made it cleared. They have really crappy physical strength and blunt durability no matter the amount of feats you put since it's non existent.

A planet level Physical punch would destroy them in and out wether you accept this fact or not.

Mhm. I just wanted to note how the minority claims Saint Seiya supporters lying, but whenever someone from the Saint Seiya side steps up and offers a CaV, the entirety of the DB side is suddenly quiet.

Kinda shows which side is truly lying if you ask me ;)

CaVs are a pain the ass and a monumental waste of time if you’re not fully invested in it tbh.

@justsomerandomkid:

That's true. But two things:

1. If their so confident in saying we're lying, despite the scans we've been constantly giving to them for years, why are they silent when it comes to letting the audience decide?

2. The user of post #131 agreed to do a CaV but then backed out a week after for reasons such as "I am still reading the Saint Seiya manga", despite being confident his character can beat Seiya.

I'm suggesting the CaV, because I can tell a mile away from a majority of Comic Vine users, that these SS vs DB threads are really getting old and don't really go anywhere besides constant flame wars. People's been complaining about it nonstop to the mods and it's only making both sides look bad when nobody is taking a step forward and ending this.

@jman88933:

1. The exact same audience can easily just look in this thread. No need for an unnecessary waste of time by gathering feats (again) and restating the exact same arguments over again. Just a waste a time in all honesty. Unless people simply wish to boost their ego.

2. Got nothing to do with me. I was simply saying CaV’s are troublesome. But to be fair I know about 15% of One piece but even then I have the utmost confidence that So6P Naruto would wtfstomp Luffy and any other of their top fighters. That isn’t too bad of a reason to back out of CaV imo. People love to pull all types of things out their ass in a CaV simply because they know you don’t know squat about the manga.

But I feel where you’re coming from. Both sides of the fandom try their best to look like the better of the two but it just make them look worse imo

Posting scans from the very first 2(or so) arcs of the OG Saint Seiya manga is clearly undeniable evidence that all Saints are wall level. It's not like Seiya and the others were all inexperienced bronze saints back then or something. It's not like they got massive powerboosts in arcs to come, or something... It's not like there are several other Saint Seiya mangas outside of the original, expanding on the power of the Saints, is it?

But really, this is akin to posting feats from the first half of the OG Dragon Ball and claiming that's the extent of current Goku's ability. Rather pathetic, really.

@justsomerandomkid:

1. Understandable.

2. Your example needed to be vice versa in order to fit with this. If people were going to pull things from their ass in a CaV, the voter's would see that, call them out, and vote for the opposing. The thing about CaV's is that if you lie, you'll negatively affect your chances of winning. People from both sides of this thread constantly called each other out for BS to no end, and if their confident to continue doing so, then the audience should be the judge of that. Or else we'll be going around in circles. Declining a CaV for the reasoning of reading the source material from the other side makes sense. But if you accepted it with full confidence that your character will win, why stop for that reason? It just didn't add up imo.

Exactly. I'm growing less and less care for which side wins and would just appreciate it if everyone would just move on already.

@hittheassasin:

He really just seems like an alt of a troll that was banned back in the day.

I'd say that the Omni King can beat the gold knights but no more.

@jman88933: I was simply coming to the defense of the person that said they were confident in their CaV. I would do the same thing he did with Naruto vs Luffy (most def One Piece is ridiculously long).

I don’t trust CaV audiences to that extent honestly. Since people generally vote simply to watch whose debating and their arguments (as it should be) without knowing anything about the character. This has happen to me in a CaV before hence why I would understand him wanting to catch up on the series.

Don’t get me wrong tho. I’m just trying to be fair but 9 times out of 10 he probably just didn’t wanna debate you lol

Zeno erases the entire verse ?

@justsomerandomkid: Thank you. You just explained something I shouldn't need to. Anyone with enough Brains would have known.

Oh DB downplayers lol

They use split durability, cherry pick guides when they want, use inconsistencies pretending like it's legit, yet if you so much as do the same thing with them, they say you are trolling and ignore you LMFAO

@deepderp:

Good god you are such a sad little liar I would almost laugh if it wernt so pathetic.

OMG i hate goku waaahhh saints....waaahhhh the saints..why arent they as popular as goku ohhh my butt it hurts...thats what you sound like

You can keep posting like you have brain damage and dont understand whats being said to you..your fellow lying cheerleaders cant save you ..aries hit him sans net.....the end. Idc if he was hit too...you crazy person

Mostly just irrelevant ranting here. Nothing of importance was addressed, as usual.

lowball all you want you sad lying fanboy You're sitting here blatantly lying saying a teleporting technique is an attack that destroys dimensions and saying it was used to attack a peson so you can justify your blatant lie...

Well, your very own wiki quote states that it can be used to kill targets by sending them to the Underworld, which would constitute an attack...

You can post all the images of Goku getting dropped

You speak as though I needed your permission.

at the end of the day no one will care about saint saiya except you and a handful of other lying fanboys who have crappy taste in anime. This is for everyone else who doesnt wanna watch this crappy little series and dont know YOURE A LIAR

True, the Saint Seiya anime is pretty bad. Stick with the manga. Then again, a DB fanatic doesn't really have the place to talk about quality material.

the best of the best have been dropped by lasers glad goku made the list too bad saints cant take being stabbed by knives a laser would vaporize them

Posting a scan of a de-powered Superman clone and passing it off like he's the original is pretty hilarious coming from the guy who keeps regurgitating accusations of dishonesty in the Saint Seiya fanbase. Yet you wonder why DB gets a lot of hate...

worst than hitting your head on a walll...so not like....universe busting????

While this can easily be countered by simply bringing up the fact that this happens in the very beginning of the series, it's best to expose your blatant dishonesty by using incorrect translations - particularly for that single scan, since the other English scans you posted have been from the official VIZ translation of the manga so far:

More and more it's becoming obvious who the dishonest one is here, kiddo.

LOL a saint was dropped from being stabbed by a normal knife you said wanking little fanboy

Which Saint would that be?

gokus out here tanking universe busters in base form

Nothing states that attack was universal and the feats show it failing to damage the Earth or its atmosphere.

"smashing multiple universes with punches"

Lmao. Yeah, they were sure doing a number on those "universes". It shows by the amount of destruction they caused to the Earth or its inhabitants:

Another outright falsehood is that they were smashing multiple universes. This is based on the Daizenshuu stating that Heaven is supposed to be about as wide as the universe in the anime, however we see that it's nothing more than a large planet:

So yeah, it can be the size of a universe... A very small universe. :)

This would actually coincide quite well with the Daizenshuu showing Snake Way stretches across half of it, despite only being approximately a million kilometers in diameter:

For the record, here's what destroying multiple universes actually looks like:

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And I dont have to lie about feats and low ball and post low showings. saints are actually really weak...and you are just a sad butthurt fanboy of a crappy anime that would get slaughtered by naruto. Keep pretending like anyone from that show is on their level

That is what your argument hinges on, all while ignoring the low ends from DB. Next all you have to do is play the victim and cry about how DB is constantly lowballed because the majority opinion agrees that superior verses like Saint Seiya or Gurren Lagann are too much for them to deal with.

by the way i love this liars argument....the saints would win....even tho theyre getting killed by teleporting attacks and a falling castles

I would assume the rubble from the fallen castle would weigh more than 40 tons or even 1000 tons to be fair:

Now, with these games aside, are you actually planning to bring something compelling to the table? Might be asking too much from your average DB supporter who argues in these type of threads, I know.

@deepderp: Whatever helps you sleep at night. I'll accept your concession.

Now if anyone with some credibility wants to argue this, feel free to tag.