@kingonea:
"creditless and ignorant"=? Yeah, says a guy, who ignores half of my arguements while not bringing up a single valid arguement or feat to support his own satatements.
"season 1 is completely obsolete in powerscaling" season 1 is pretty mich irrelevant to the story and has no powerscaling value whatsoever since Holy Knights were Commandement elvels, a lowly demon like hendy was damn near a God tier level character and Gil was faster than the entire verse apparently."
That is still not an arguement, that is your headcannon. It has perfectly normal scaling. Sure the characters dont look like they got much faster or sometimes stronger in certain categories but they actually got. That is how scaling works, although it appears somewhat inconsistent but that happens to be in many shonan as well. It ultimately depends on the way of styling and illustrating in manga/anime.'
The thing with the real world being incooperate with a Demon King is not really a feat, I give you that but it still emphasizes that there are powers in NNT which go beyond physical means, which one piece doesnt have. It is not actually a display of battle power but it doesnt change the fact that characters from NNT at this tier are mutilple-dozens times stronger that charachters who have performed island level feats in the series with the strongest attack and the one who received it being a country buster.
"Slicing up mountains is meaningless" To casual multi island busters" Pls enlight me, Show me, how luffy performs "casual multi island buster" feats. The best feat I've seen in OP was this: https://i.imgur.com/gR2tBNU.png
Considering Marineford is quite a small island, this is Island+ up to maybe multiisland feat. And as said many times now, it doesnt outright destroy, just tilt/break.
Meliodas Danafor buster was Island level to Island level+, you can find enough calculations on that on the internet.
"He would neg diff the entire verse in base form." If Luffy neg-diffs a verse in baseform, which has used country annihilating attacks, than luffy at his strongest would need to be somewhat between continent to small planet level buster.
I am waiting for the feats dude?
Seriously:
Speed: at its peak, the arguements could go either way but the verses should be comparable
hax: I don't see anything that could make up for all the magic from NNT. They are rendered defenseless against spells and curses.
Power: Via scaling, could go either way in physical means but with actual power-output... the point goes to NNT unlike you present me some feats I've never heard before.
As I said, I can see the arguements for him being higher than what I originally claimed (though I may politely disagree) but saying "base Luffy neg diffs the verse" is beyond ridiculous. PERIOD
Just for some references:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Meliodas
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Monkey_D._Luffy_(Post-Timeskip)
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