Strongest form of Naruto and Sasuke that this team could take down?

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#1  Edited By FaradaySloth
  • Genjutsu is restricted
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  • COMPOSITE VERSIONS FOR THE TEAM
  • Location: Konoha

The Team:

Monkey D. Luffy, Ichigo Kurosaki, Natsu Dragneel, Yusuke Urameshi, Tsuna Sawada, and Meliodas
Monkey D. Luffy, Ichigo Kurosaki, Natsu Dragneel, Yusuke Urameshi, Tsuna Sawada, and Meliodas

What's the strongest form of Naruto & Sasuke that this team can beat?

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The guy I got this from seemed to be a vs battle wiki guy, but aren't tsuna and yu planet busters?

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Even compositely, no one here has an answer for BSM at all, Yusukes spirit gun is extremely fast and could probably tag him but Im not even sure itd hurt Naruto. If they go armored Kurama they oneshot this team.

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BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke

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Yeah, BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke.

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Now that's a tough team. But I don't think they're beating the duo once they have So6P amps.

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@hope_w said:

Even compositely, no one here has an answer for BSM at all, Yusukes spirit gun is extremely fast and could probably tag him but Im not even sure itd hurt Naruto. If they go armored Kurama they oneshot this team.

Mel would beat bsm naruto

Dangai ichigo would solo team

Luffy would beat ems

All in all

Yeah, BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke.

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Luffy stalemated Goku and Toriko so how about any version?

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#9  Edited By Hope_w

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Mel would beat bsm naruto

Considering Naruto is without a doubt faster, more durable, and could oneshot Mel quite easily in a number of ways ontop of mountainous Pre-cog he has no answer to. No. Mel probably can't even hurt Kurama; Even Bee can challenge Mel.

Dangai ichigo would solo team

Even with his crappy game feats, no, he wouldnt.

Luffy would beat ems

This wouldnt be a bad matchup tbh, composite Luffy is pretty strong but Sasukes mobility and range is superior to his with legged susanoo.

All in all

Clones. The entire argument is near negated now.

Also stop tagging me with HTA, if he wanted to argue with what I said he wouldve replied to me. You're constantly instigating now and it really is getting childish.

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Anything before the final power up

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@hope_w: Lol i was not instigating i his response was my final response and it was the last post at the time

i HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ON TSUNA

LUFFY WOULD PROBABLY JUST DESTROY SASUKE IN CQC

Mel can clone himself 2 any energy attacks get reflected back at him at 2x the power

Ichigo and the rest dogpile

So yeah BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke

Team lose to current

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Team beats BSM and EMS quite easily. Any versions past that are too much currently.

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War arc or Rikudo versions.

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Luffy solos EoS versions, of course.

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Ichigo can take EOS Sasuke, Meliodas and Yusuke can take Naruto. Team beats EOS versions comfortably.

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Well, Luffy fought SSJ1 Goku in a crossover, so it is fair to say he solos.

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Technically composite luffy is far beyond even the duo with 6 paths power, composite luffy did fight toriko and goku( free for all), so he’s comfortably above the duo.

So truly composite luffy solos, unless someone argues naruto or sasuke being above toriko or goku in power, something that really can’t be argued.

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#19  Edited By LoveEveryone

BSM + EMS. Anything after that they don't stand a chance. Oh and no one here is Planet Level, Ichigo is probably Multi Continent, with Yusuke coming in second at Large Country+ level, with Meliodas being third with Country+ level , Luffy being fourth as Large Island level, so on and so on.

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Well, Luffy fought SSJ1 Goku in a crossover, so it is fair to say he solos.

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BSM + EMS. Anything after that they don't stand a chance. Oh and no one here is Planet Level, Ichigo is probably Multi Continent, with Yusuke coming in second at Large Country+ level, with Meliodas being third with Country+ level , Luffy being fourth as Large Island level, so on and so on.

Everything in bold is wrong

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Composite includes movies too, right? If so, then Ichigo has the Vasto Lorde feats from Hell Verse, who did this:

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Lol at Bee being able to challenge Meliodas though.

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Composite versions? Luffy solos, he stalemated Toriko.

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Ichigo can take EOS Sasuke, Meliodas and Yusuke can take Naruto. Team beats EOS versions comfortably.

Ichigo gets utterly demolished by Sasuke, Meliodas and Yusuke gets murdured by EOS Naruto. Team definitely doesn't beat EOS versions, not "comfortably" or otherwise. The six paths versions of both characters can take Ichigo, Mel and Yusuke at the same time and win without a sweat.

Post scans to prove your point.

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#26  Edited By lambsauce

@loveeveryone said:

BSM + EMS. Anything after that they don't stand a chance. Oh and no one here is Planet Level, Ichigo is probably Multi Continent, with Yusuke coming in second at Large Country+ level, with Meliodas being third with Country+ level , Luffy being fourth as Large Island level, so on and so on.

Everything in bold is wrong

It's Vs battles, where featless characters can be planet busters...

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Composite versions? Luffy solos, he stalemated Toriko.

I assume its composite except crossovers.

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General Information: Bleach scaling

When power scaling Bleach characters, there are a few important statements that are commonly used and are likely to come up many times in this debate. The first one is the following:

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This is the "Bankai multiplier" and it is used to estimate the increase in power gained from activating Bankai.

The second scan is of no less importance and will be used often as well:

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A Shinigami cannot cut a massively superior opponent due to the difference in their spiritual pressure.

Ichigo Kurosaki

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Forms

Shikai: The first release of Ichigo's Zanpakutō (spirit weapon), Zangetsu.

Bankai: The second release of Zangetsu which increases Ichigo's strength and speed.

Hollow Mask: While wearing the mask, Ichigo's Hollow powers supplement his Shinigami powers, giving him a vast increase in both strength and speed.

True Shikai: After his original Shikai is broken,Ichigo, coming to terms with his powers, gains access to his true Zanpakutō (spirit weapon), which had been suppressed all this time.

Fused hollow form: After Ichigo learned the truth about the source of his soul reaper powers and reforged his Zanpakutō, his Hollow and Quincy came into balance with one another. However, when Ichigo is exposed to large amounts of Quincy spirit energy, this balance will be disrupted, and Ichigo can meld with his inner Hollow, resulting in a powerful transformation.

Speed

To establish the speed of Bleach high tiers and Ichigo's speed in particular I will start from the very beginning, with a feat taken from early in the manga. Take a look:

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In this scan, a vice captain named Matsumoto successfully reacted to and blocked captain Gin's Shinso, a Zanpakutō (spirit weapon) with the ability to rapidly expand or contract. Later in the story Gin states his Bankai, which is an improved version of his Shikai (the first release of the blade, which he used in the previous feat) could extend at 500 times the speed of sound. After applying Bankai multipliers we get the vice captain Matsumoto could react to and block an attack moving at Mach 50.

Ichigo is of course, much faster than that, as he can easily blitz three vice captains right after his Bankai training:

Next, after getting some more practice with his powers Ichigo dodges the aforementioned Mach 500 attack while in Bankai, some consistency right here:

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But Ichigo can do better, in a more impressive showing of speed and while recovering from injury in his base form, Ichigo instinctively reacts to a punch from "Lightning Fast Tenjirō" who previously blitzed Suì-Fēng, one of the fastest captains. Remember that even the weakest captains are leagues above Mach 50.

To end this section I will present one of the most important and impressive speed feats in Bleach, in which Ichigo redirects lightning from very close range in his true Shikai.

Where is the lightning? you might be asking, well the lightning shaped arrow on the left is actually real lightning! However, we all know not every lightning shaped projectile in fiction is real lightning so some kind of proof must be found if we are to consider it so. In the following scan it is stated that the bolts contain 5 Gigajouls of energy which is the approximate amount of energy true lightning contains, this makes it very clear that the author meant for it to be real lightning.

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What is even more interesting is that even the weak Sternritter that fought Ichigo were able to dodge the lightning after Ichigo redirected back at them, these Sternritter are around captain level which means an average captain is a lightning timer in Shikai.

Summary: Speed

  • Mach 500<masked Bankai Ichigo<Dangai Ichigo=Base true Shikai<merged hollow form (true Shikai)<merged hollow form (true Bankai)
  • Point blank Lightning timing<Merged hollow form (true Shikai)<Merged hollow form (True Bankai)
  • Mach 50< Suì-Fēng/Lightning timing< Tenjiro=Recovering Base Ichigo<Base Ichigo<Shikai Ichigo<Bankai Ichigo<masked Bankai Ichigo<Dangai Ichigo=true Shikai (Base)<merged hollow form (true Shikai)<merged hollow form (true Bankai)

Power

Cutting power is something Bleach characters excel at and Naruto characters have a very hard time dealing with. To showcase their impressive power, I will start by presenting another feat from early in the manga:

The air pressure from the clash between Shikai Ichigo and a heavily suppressed base Kenpachi Zaraki destroyed multiple buildings. Of course, the most of the force each fighter applied was cancelled by the opposite force applied by other fighter, from this we can infer that the visible destruction was caused by only a small fraction of the fighters full power.

A more impressive air pressure feat was preformed by Dangai Ichigo when he fought Aizen. He was able to completely destroy a hill with the air pressure created by his swing, note that as I previously explained, sword clashes significantly reduce the amount of visible destruction.

And while these are great feats I will have to use scaling to showcase Ichigo's true power. To do so, I will first determine the power level of Yhwach, one of the strongest characters in the series. Yhwach in his base form he was able to one shot captain Yamamoto and steal his Bankai which can destroy the entire souls society with its passive heat.

Soul society is comprised of 360 districts plus the Seireitei which serves as the capitol. Districts are no longer used in the Japanese administrative system, but they are roughly equal to the districts of the house of representatives, of which there are 306. Based on this information and the way soul society is portrayed throughout the series, it is safe to assume the size of soul society is roughly equal to the size of Japan (364,485 square kilometers of land). This implies that Yamamoto is comfortably country level. Note that the purpose of Yamamoto's Bankai is to condense the heat, not to expand it and that the possible destruction is only a side effect of the dangerous release, this means Yamamoto might be even more powerful.

After proving he is comparable to Yamamoto, Yhwach continues his murder spree and one shots Ichibe, the leader of squad zero. Squad Zero contains five members who are all former captains and are tasked with protecting and serving the soul king. The combined power of squad zero is stated to be far grater than the power of the 13 court guards squads (all captains in soul society and their subordinates), as the captain of squad zero and the strongest member by a very large margin, Ichibe should be superior to the former captain of the 13 court guards, Yamamoto. This is further supported by how easily Shikai Ichibe rag-dolls Yhwach before Yhwach unleashes "The Almighty" (his broken hax ability)

So Yhwach is a bit above country level at base, but is that the full extent of his power? Absolutely not, as after preforming these feats he absorbs the power of five of the most powerful characters in the verse:

These Characters are:

  1. True Shikai Ichigo (only his quincy powers)
  2. Gerard Valkyrie
  3. Mimihagi
  4. The soul king
  5. Jugram Haschwalth

Gerard Valkyrie is one of the strongest Sternritter capable of matching Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki in his base form. Kenpachi in his (Eos) base form was able to destroy a huge meteor and reduce it to rubble.

This is a country level feat. But to prove that I will have to use a calculation, I am aware of the general dislike of calculations in comic vine, but this one is simple and straightforward so I hope you will be willing to at least consider it. This calculation was originally preformed by Vs Battle Wiki user Piercer of Heaven and all credit goes to him.

Seireitei Scaling

Ichigo=2 Pixels=1.74 m

Stand=116 Pixels=100.92

Sokyoku Hill=969 Pixels=2,963.37818181818 m

Sokyoku Hill Height=45 Pixels=2,963.37818181818 m

Seireitei Diameter=1461 Pixels=96,211.0116363636 m

Seireitei Diameter=1660 Pixels=96,211.0116363636

Seireitei Height=815 Pixels=47,236.1292070098

Meteor

Seireitei Height=475 Pixels=47,236.1292070098 m

Meteor Diameter=457 Pixels=45,446.1285212705 m

Meteor Radius=22,723.0642606352 m

It's a sphere so:

Volume=49,146,127,100,000 m^3=49,146,127,100,000,000,000 cm^3

Violent fragmentation 69 joules/cm^3

E=3,391,082,769,900,000,000,000

This is borderline small country level already. Considering it was done casually and while Kenpachi was wearing his eye-patch (a device that consumes his spiritual energy), it stands to reason Kenpachi is country level in Shikai.

Gerard was able to fight with Shikai Kenpachi on equal ground, matching his monstrous power.

Later, Gerard attained two more powerful forms, his original form not even holding a candle to the last one. Only then Yhwach absorbed his power.

But Gerard's power pale in comparison to the power of the soul king, who posses such immense spiritual energy that after absorbing him Yhwach said he feels like he has an absolute excess of power. If Yhwach believes the soul king power is limitless compared to the power he used to defeat Yamamoto and Ichibe, it must be truly great.

In addition to all of that he also absorbed the right hand of the soul king Mimihagi and his most trusted servant Jugram Haschwalth, both very powerful high tiers in the verse. He later absorbed Ichigo's Quincy powers as well gaining an unknown amount of power. So what does this have to do with Ichigo? Well, there is a lot of evidence implying that true Shikai merged hollow Ichigo is about on par with Yhwach and that true Bankai merged hollow Ichigo may be even more powerful than him. First, Yhwach compliments Ichigo's power multiple times, saying it is magnificent and that he has no room for error. Secondly, Ichigo was able to one shot Yhwach twice and according to the scaling statement I already presented, in order to cut someone in Bleach you must have comparable spiritual power.

Summary

  • Cutting multiple buildings with air pressure of a clash<Bankai Ichigo<masked Bankai Ichigo<Dangai Ichigo=true Shikai Ichigo<merged hollow form (true Shikai)<merged hollow form (true Bankai)
  • Obliterating a hill with the air pressure of a clash=true Shikai Ichigo<merged hollow form (true Shikai)<merged hollow form (true Bankai)
  • Country level+limitless power (compared to country level)+Power much greater than country level+the power of two high tiers=merged hollow form (true Shikai)<merged hollow form (true Bankai)

Durability

Like many HST characters, Ichigo doesn't have many durability feats, but what he has is still enough to prove he will be very hard to take down. His first major durability feat can be found in Ichigo's fight against Ulquiorra Cifer. During the fight Ulquiorra attacked Ichigo with a technique named "Lance of Lightning" a spear made of spiritual energy that produces an incredibly destructive explosion if thrown. Instead of throwing the spear, Ulquiorra attacks Ichigo with it directly, but Ichigo tanks the attack without suffering any damage.

The explosion was so large, it dwarfed Las Noches, a massive palace 5.46 kilometers long. The scaling is as follows:

Ulquiorra = 14 px = 1.7 m

Width of Column = 351 px = 42 m

Width of column (2) = 5 px = 42 m

Length of Las Noches = 650 px = 5460 m = 5.46 km

Later in the series, Ichigo tanked a similar but much more powerful attacked fired by monster Aizen, What makes it a notable feat is that Aizen was already much stronger than Ulquiorra in his base form as Ulquiorra, together with a group of other characters, (some of which are more powerful than him) served Aizen without question, fearing his immense power.

Summary

  • Tanking an energy blast that dwarfs a fortress more than five kilometers long<Dangai Ichigo=true Shikai Ichigo<merged hollow form (true Shikai)<merged hollow form (true Bankai)
  • Tanking an energy blast that dwarfs a fortress more than five kilometers long<Base Aizen<Chrysalis Aizen<Transcendent Aizen< tanking monster Aizen Cero=Dangai Ichigo=true Shikai Ichigo<merged hollow form (true Shikai)<merged hollow form (true Bankai)

Getsuga Tensho

Simple and basic energy projection. Ichigo explains it well.

This should do for Ichigo's stats. With his superior speed (Naruto barely has any good speed feats) he can just cut Naruto in half as Naruto's piercing durability is low.

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@lambsauce: Is this a good amount of scans in your opinion?

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@lambsauce: Is this a good amount of scans in your opinion?

None of the feats posted exceeds EOS Naruto levels, or even nearing it.

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@lambsauce: Post Naruto's amazing feats you are talking about, or am I the only one who has to post feats?

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@lambsauce: Post Naruto's amazing feats you are talking about, or am I the only one who has to post feats?

Sigh. Do I really have to? Look. General belief in the vine is that Naruto >>> Ichigo by several orders of magnitude. Go see some Naruto respect threads or something.

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@lambsauce: At least name the feats, I cant debate you if I don't even know what you are talking about.

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@lambsauce: At least name the feats, I cant debate you if I don't even know what you are talking about.

Naruto's Bijuu dama rasenshuriken destroys several Island sized meteors freshly plucked from the Frost Country. As fast as Sasuke, who blitzed Juubi-Jin Madara, who reacted to Guy, who was bending space with sheer speed. Tanked a country level explosion in base in The Last, countered a moon splitting attack after tanking it. Punching said person who unleashed the moon splitting attack and one-shotting him. etc, etc...

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Naruto's Bijuu dama rasenshuriken destroys several Island sized meteors freshly plucked from the Frost Country.

Island size according to who?

bending space with sheer speed

Bending space is not a speed feat, if it was characters who are faster than guy would do so as well. It was never even stated he distorted space because he is fast.

country level explosion in base in The Last

Country level is leagues below bleach top tiers and it was an energy attack. This does no translate to piercing durability.

moon splitting attack

That's not so impressive, probably somewhere around large country level and he had to focus all his Chakra to do that.

Punching said person who unleashed the moon splitting attack and one-shotting him

AP and durability are totally different things.

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#36  Edited By lambsauce

@unlimited1:

Before I reply, how do you reply like that? I can't seem to figure out.

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@lambsauce: Copy the part you want to respond to, mark it and then use "Quote" which can be found above the "Clean" button.

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Composite Luffy will suffice

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#39  Edited By Chad_Duby

For any of you who have said that Luffy solos, because he is composite and one of his version stalemated Goku and Toriko, can you prove that Goku and Toriko seen in the crossover are even close to 0.00000000000001% of their powers in their own shows?

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Since team 2 is composite they can take eos

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For any of you who have said that Luffy solos, because he is composite and one of his version stalemated Goku and Toriko, can you prove that Goku and Toriko seen in the crossover are even close to 0.00000000000001% of their powers in their own shows?

Prove that there not

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#42  Edited By Hope_w

@hittheassasin said:

Lol at Bee being able to challenge Meliodas though.

We know how this works. I prove something, you get quiet and evacuate. However since you didnt tag me ill give you first move before I come in for the kill, seems like the polite thing to do.

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@thenewguysnm1: Why don't you prove they are instead?

All of these people rank in different power levels in their general showings. Goku >>>>>>>>>> x billion >>>>>>>>>>>> Toriko >>>>>>>>>> Luffy.

It is either some of them gets stronger and some gets weaker. What feats have they shown to make them close to their normal levels?

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@unlimited1:

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I still can't figure it out. Damn it. Thanks for telling me though.

I'll just reply like this.

-They look pretty much Island level. Considering even the tiniest fragment could dwarf mountain ranges. And Frost country isn't really that small.

-According to the theory of relativity, when you reach a certain speed, an object's mass will drastically increase to the point where the space around it is attracted to the object and is effectively distorted. Relativistic Guy is common knowledge here, I believe.

-Uhhh, really? Because the veteran viners here have very compelling evidences that Bleach hasn't gotten passed mountain level. Best they did was, what, Kenny busting a City-level meteor? Best Ichigo did was erase a comparably small hill? albeit very casually...

Besides Naruto tanked a country level blast IN BASE. That's pretty impressive.

Country level is very low compared to EOS level Naruto too, in fact Naruto was Country level when he was BSM.

-Overpowering a beam potent enough to slice the freakin' moon in half naturally requires energies that exceed said beam. So it isn't just Large country or anywhere in that range.

-Trading blows with Naruto and not getting beat down is already a durability feat, no?

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@thenewguysnm1: Why don't you prove they are instead?

All of these people rank in different power levels in their general showings. Goku >>>>>>>>>> x billion >>>>>>>>>>>> Toriko >>>>>>>>>> Luffy.

It is either some of them gets stronger and some gets weaker. What feats have they shown to make them close to their normal levels?

The burden of proof is on you.

Goku is not a billion times stronger then toriko BTW

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#46  Edited By Chad_Duby

@thenewguysnm1 said:

The burden of proof is on you.

Sorry, what do you mean by this?

Goku is not a billion times stronger then toriko BTW

He actually is.

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How man times will large-planetary level of strength multiply to shaking the universe?

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#47  Edited By HitTheAssasin

@hope_w: That's hardly how it's worked up until now. You've wanked, I've countered and we both clearly didn't want to change our minds, so I desisted from countering "country level" Bijuudama's, which everyone with eyes in their head could see was wrong.

But by all means, if you can prove Bee is capable of as much as inflicting any damage whatsoever to Assault Mode Meliodas, let alone win, I'd be impressed.

But, just for the record, I can't make any super detailed responses with scans right now even if I wanted to, since I don't have access to my laptop at the moment.

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@lambsauce:

They look pretty much Island level. Considering even the tiniest fragment could dwarf mountain ranges. And Frost country isn't really that small.

Well if you cant scale that its pretty irrelevant.

Uhhh, really? Because the veteran viners here have very compelling evidences that Bleach hasn't gotten passed mountain level. Best they did was, what, Kenny busting a City-level meteor? Best Ichigo did was erase a comparably small hill? albeit very casually...

What? I just posted proof that Kenny's feat was small country level and that high tier bleach characters are massively superior to that.

So it isn't just Large country or anywhere in that range.

Based on what? You don't have to destroy a lot of matter to cut the moon in half.

According to the theory of relativity, when you reach a certain speed, an object's mass will drastically increase to the point where the space around it is attracted to the object and is effectively distorted. Relativistic Guy is common knowledge here, I believe.

Sasuke and Naruto blitzed Madara and they didn't warp space, meaning the effect wasn't caused by Guy's speed. Moving near the speed of light involves plenty of other side effect that weren't showed like time dilation and the Doppler effect.

Country level is very low compared to EOS level Naruto too, in fact Naruto was Country level when he was BSM.

Based on what?

Besides Naruto tanked a country level blast IN BASE. That's pretty impressive.

A lot of missing context here.

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@lambsauce:

They look pretty much Island level. Considering even the tiniest fragment could dwarf mountain ranges. And Frost country isn't really that small.

Well if you cant scale that its pretty irrelevant.

Uhhh, really? Because the veteran viners here have very compelling evidences that Bleach hasn't gotten passed mountain level. Best they did was, what, Kenny busting a City-level meteor? Best Ichigo did was erase a comparably small hill? albeit very casually...

What? I just posted proof that Kenny's feat was small country level and that high tier bleach characters are massively superior to that.

So it isn't just Large country or anywhere in that range.

Based on what? You don't have to destroy a lot of matter to cut the moon in half.

According to the theory of relativity, when you reach a certain speed, an object's mass will drastically increase to the point where the space around it is attracted to the object and is effectively distorted. Relativistic Guy is common knowledge here, I believe.

Sasuke and Naruto blitzed Madara and they didn't warp space, meaning the effect wasn't caused by Guy's speed. Moving near the speed of light involves plenty of other side effect that weren't showed like time dilation and the Doppler effect.

Country level is very low compared to EOS level Naruto too, in fact Naruto was Country level when he was BSM.

Based on what?

Besides Naruto tanked a country level blast IN BASE. That's pretty impressive.

A lot of missing context here.

-It's not irrelevant. You can determine the size of things just by seeing them. The meteors all in all was just as big as the frost country as seen on panel. An Island contains several mountain ranges. The fragments dwarfed mountain ranges. The whole thing is massively bigger.

-Overblown calcs apparently aren't accepted here. Can you prove that Seireitei is bigger than a city, much less a mountain?

-You cant slice something as thick as the moon without overpowering the GBE and whatnot. Obviously its far more than just country level. Heck, you've been that only one who has insisted on that.

-BSM Naruto was country level. This is pretty much common knowledge.

-Like what? Naruto tanked the blast, that's it. He was unconscious, maybe? I don't remember anymore. In contrast, has any Bleach character ever tanked a county level blast in their weakest forms?

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@lambsauce:

It's not irrelevant. You can determine the size of things just by seeing them. The meteors all in all was just as big as the frost country as seen on panel. An Island contains several mountain ranges. The fragments dwarfed mountain ranges. The whole thing is massively bigger.

No you cant, you need something to scale from to find the true size of an object. Post the feats, show some measurements and prove your point.

Overblown calcs apparently aren't accepted here. Can you prove that Seireitei is bigger than a city, much less a mountain?

The calculation is proof. Who decides what is excepted here? You cant dismiss an argument because you dislike it.

-BSM Naruto was country level. This is pretty much common knowledge.

If it's common knowledge you should be able to prove it.

Like what? Naruto tanked the blast, that's it. He was unconscious, maybe? I don't remember anymore.

Why bring it up if you don't remember it?