Strength at Rest vs Max Strength: Spiderman

This really applies to Spider-Man but can lead to other characters as well. I notice due to popular belief Spiderman limit is 10 tons. But to me, when he lifts 10 tons he's at rest. What I mean by rest means that he is not straining to lift it. IE: When you pick up a bottle of drinking water, you are using your rested strength. You can lift that bottle of water as many times as you want without your muscles giving in. In contrast, when you lift up something heavier for example a weightlifting weights, your muscles begin to strain and you can only lift those weights until you can lift it no longer. Spiderman can lift up a bus (7 tons) with relative ease and not strain. He has also shown to lift up heavier objects with ease without strain (Tanks).

So if his rested strength is 10 tons, what would be his straining point?

And after you guess his straining point, what would be his max limit of how much he can lift, pull or push?

Other characters: Rested strength and Max

1. Hulk
2. Venom
3. Juggernaut
4. Thanos
5. Colossus
6. Thing
7. Rhino
8. Blob
9. Thor
10. Superman

Scientifically speaking, you can't lift anymore weight that is double the size of your weight. Yeah if you are like 50-60 kilos you can also lift objects with the same weight but that would be your max strength. Cuz it indicates that human can no longer carry objets that is heavier than they are without under the influence of their adrenaline. So lets apply the theory, if Spiderman can lift 10 tons with relative ease at his rested strength he can lift objects weighing around 20-25 tons using his max strength but he can go lifting object around 30-40 tons when his in adrenaline rush, if it even matters

@eatmore_payless I am not sure what you are trying to articulate.

@BringnIt: I think he is saying: that you can lift double your weight without adrenaline kicking in. just using your muscles. but with adrenaline you can lift a little more than double your weight.

Venom.

@eatmore_payless said:

Scientifically speaking, you can't lift anymore weight that is double the size of your weight. Yeah if you are like 50-60 kilos you can also lift objects with the same weight but that would be your max strength. Cuz it indicates that human can no longer carry objets that is heavier than they are without under the influence of their adrenaline. So lets apply the theory, if Spiderman can lift 10 tons with relative ease at his rested strength he can lift objects weighing around 20-25 tons using his max strength but he can go lifting object around 30-40 tons when his in adrenaline rush, if it even matters

Scientifically speaking this is not true.

@Lady_Liberty said:

@eatmore_payless said:

Scientifically speaking, you can't lift anymore weight that is double the size of your weight. Yeah if you are like 50-60 kilos you can also lift objects with the same weight but that would be your max strength. Cuz it indicates that human can no longer carry objets that is heavier than they are without under the influence of their adrenaline. So lets apply the theory, if Spiderman can lift 10 tons with relative ease at his rested strength he can lift objects weighing around 20-25 tons using his max strength but he can go lifting object around 30-40 tons when his in adrenaline rush, if it even matters

Scientifically speaking this is not true.

Please share us your thoughts.

@Lady_Liberty it is pseudoscientifically true, however.

So Spiderman can lift about 40 tons with maximum strain. (knees buckling)

Random Fact: Ants can lift 20 to 50 times their own body weight.

@Dernman said:

Random Fact: Ants can lift 20 times their own body weight.

At rest or straining?

@Grand Ninja: The only time I can remember him really straining to lift anything was the Daily Bugle incident. Don't know how heavy that was:

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@Dernman said:

Random Fact: Ants can lift 20 times their own body weight.

At rest or straining?

I am pretty sure that the Hulk is the strongest on the list

@the_merc_with_a_mouth_100 said:

I am pretty sure that the Hulk is the strongest on the list

I think Hulk's rested strength is 100 tons, and at max it's 1,000,000,000 tons and at adrenalin, it's 10,000,000,000,000,000 tons

Juggernaut would be 100 at rested strength and from on it's unlimited weight he can lift pull and push.

@Grand Ninja: Lol okay. Strength is how much force you apply. The amount of force you can apply and your weight are related. But they are not bound together in such a way that you cannot every lift more then twice your weight. That is frankly silly.

Secondly I don't think from the context of your post that you have any idea what so ever about the effects of adrenaline. So I am not even going to address that.

@BringnIt said:

@Lady_Liberty it is pseudoscientifically true, however.

Everything is pseudo-scientifically true.

@the_merc_with_a_mouth_100 said:

I am pretty sure that the Hulk is the strongest on the list

not at all ..... give proof as to why or have nothing more to say ....

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@the_merc_with_a_mouth_100 said:

I am pretty sure that the Hulk is the strongest on the list

not at all ..... give proof as to why or have nothing more to say ....

Well pulling a large mass in space isn't really a strength feat because there is no gravity weighing the mass. Can Superman lift Earth inside Saturn?

@Lady_Liberty said:

@Grand Ninja: Lol okay. Strength is how much force you apply. The amount of force you can apply and your weight are related. But they are not bound together in such a way that you cannot every lift more then twice your weight. That is frankly silly.

Secondly I don't think from the context of your post that you have any idea what so ever about the effects of adrenaline. So I am not even going to address that.

Was that addressed to -> @eatmore_payless: (the Adrenaline part)?

Also ^^^^ I think everyone on that planet under the Green Lanturns clamp is dead lol

@Grand Ninja said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@the_merc_with_a_mouth_100 said:

I am pretty sure that the Hulk is the strongest on the list

not at all ..... give proof as to why or have nothing more to say ....

Well pulling a large mass in space isn't really a strength feat because there is no gravity weighing the mass. Can Superman lift Earth inside Saturn?

The mass of the planet isn't effected by the lack of gravity ... still a legit feat

@Grand Ninja said:

Also ^^^^ I think everyone on that planet under the Green Lanturns clamp is dead lol

still weighs more than anything Hulk has pulled/lifted/held ......

@Grand Ninja: Pulling a planet isn't a strength feat? I guess I could just stand on my head and shove the earth out of orbit then?

@Lady_Liberty said:

@Grand Ninja: Pulling a planet isn't a strength feat? I guess I could just stand on my head and shove the earth out of orbit then?

No, it's more of a velocity feat right? Superman is flying in space with the planet in space. All I'm asking is that if he can do that when gravity is present.

@the_merc_with_a_mouth_100: juggs is strongest

@Grand Ninja: Gravity is present.. it's a planet, it has gravity.

@Lady_Liberty: if you were strong enough couldn't you do that to the moon? considering theres no gravity on the moon

@Lady_Liberty said:

@Grand Ninja: Gravity is present.. it's a planet, it has gravity.

Gravity is present inside the planet, but what's holding up the planet itself?

@karetaker said:

@Lady_Liberty: if you were strong enough couldn't you do that to the moon? considering theres no gravity on the moon

there is gravity on the moon ... if there wasn't .... then one small step for man... would've been his last .... he wouldn't have even hit the ground again ..... so there you go ... gravity on the moon

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@karetaker said:

@Lady_Liberty: if you were strong enough couldn't you do that to the moon? considering theres no gravity on the moon

there is gravity on the moon ... if there wasn't .... then one small step for man... would've been his last .... he wouldn't have even hit the ground again ..... so there you go ... gravity on the moon

LOL

@karetaker: There is gravity everywhere in the entire universe..

@Grand Ninja said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@Grand Ninja: Gravity is present.. it's a planet, it has gravity.

Gravity is present inside the planet, but what's holding up the planet itself?

Gravity! Agg! Why do you think the earth doesn't just go flying off into outer space? Space magic? Look this is simple stuff, we learn it before high-school. Before I fly into a rant, let me ask how old you are?

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@karetaker said:

@Lady_Liberty: if you were strong enough couldn't you do that to the moon? considering theres no gravity on the moon

there is gravity on the moon ... if there wasn't .... then one small step for man... would've been his last .... he wouldn't have even hit the ground again ..... so there you go ... gravity on the moon

Good point.. the first man who was neal armstrong i believe who first landed on the moon... he was walking on the moon which means theirs gravity...if their was no gravity he wouldnt of been walking, he would of been floating.

@BringnIt said:

@eatmore_payless I am not sure what you are trying to articulate.

I was thinking the same thing.

@Grand Ninja said:

Well pulling a large mass in space isn't really a strength feat because there is no gravity weighing the mass. Can Superman lift Earth inside Saturn?

Yes it is.

also the sun has a part to play in gravitational pull of Sol planets and moons

so thats another thing to consider

@Grand Ninja said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@Grand Ninja: Gravity is present.. it's a planet, it has gravity.

Gravity is present inside the planet, but what's holding up the planet itself?

............

@Erik said:

@Grand Ninja said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@Grand Ninja: Gravity is present.. it's a planet, it has gravity.

Gravity is present inside the planet, but what's holding up the planet itself?

............

Exactly Erik, exactly.

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

also the sun has a part to play in gravitational pull of Sol planets and moons

so thats another thing to consider

The Sun does have gravitational pull, which is the only reason the planets orbit around the Sun. If you wanted to move a planet out of alignment, you would have to overpower the Sun's gravitational pull on the planet. And if you wanted the same orbit, you would have to put it in the right place. Putting the planet in a different place would change the orbit, and time, since our understanding of time is based on the solar system.

What's a gravity? :P

@Grand Ninja: @tim2081 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

also the sun has a part to play in gravitational pull of Sol planets and moons

so thats another thing to consider

The Sun does have gravitational pull, which is the only reason the planets orbit around the Sun. If you wanted to move a planet out of alignment, you would have to overpower the Sun's gravitational pull on the planet. And if you wanted the same orbit, you would have to put it in the right place. Putting the planet in a different place would change the orbit, and time, since our understanding of time is based on the solar system.

indeed ... thank you for that reinforcement .... well ... I guess that clears up the legitimacy of superman planet pulling

@karetaker said:

@Lady_Liberty: if you were strong enough couldn't you do that to the moon? considering theres no gravity on the moon

@Lady_Liberty said:

@Grand Ninja: Lol okay. Strength is how much force you apply. The amount of force you can apply and your weight are related. But they are not bound together in such a way that you cannot every lift more then twice your weight. That is frankly silly.

Secondly I don't think from the context of your post that you have any idea what so ever about the effects of adrenaline. So I am not even going to address that.

Uhmm you cant lift anymore that is double your normal weight, without straining yourself.. And we normal humans normally use only the 40 percent of our total strength with adrenaline we are able to tap into our reserved 60 percent strength. Get your facts right bub

@eatmore_payless:

I. Not a 'bub'

II. 'And we normal humans normally use only the 40 percent of our total strength' Source.

III. 'with adrenaline we are able to tap into our reserved 60 percent strength' Source.

IV. 'Uhmm you cant lift anymore that is double your normal weight, without straining yourself' But you can lift 199% of your body weight, and its okay, but add that one last percent and its just to much? Lol. Source.

@Lady_Liberty said:

@eatmore_payless:

I. Not a 'bub'

II. 'And we normal humans normally use only the 40 percent of our total strength' Source.

III. 'with adrenaline we are able to tap into our reserved 60 percent strength' Source.

IV. 'Uhmm you cant lift anymore that is double your normal weight, without straining yourself' But you can lift 199% of your body weight, and its okay, but add that one last percent and its just to much? Lol. Source.

I. ok then your not a bub. "miss"

II. Rad about human anatomy

III. Rad about human anatomy

IV. Rad about human anatomy

:)

@eatmore_payless: Rad? The movie about racing? Rapid application development? Reactive attachment disorder?

That's not a source.

A source would be a credible study that indicates what you say is true, or a meta analysis of studies that indicate a consensus among experts in the field.

This thread got a little off topic..

Hulk held continents together and destroyed planets with his fists. He could probably replicate Supe's feat if he could fly at his speed, with a similar anchoring to the one that Green Lantern provided :l

@Grand Ninja

If you want to speak proportionately to those 10 tons, then from experience I'd say anywhere from 20+ tons would be his straining point. For myself, while I can press 150 once, cut that weight in half to 75, and I could do it all day, without tiring at all.

In my own studies, people who're in shape are generally able to press about 92% of their body weight, squat 123%, and lift 153%. If we threw Spidey's weight out the window and just went by proportion, given that Spidey's max in say, a deadlift, is 20 tons, then that would leave him able to squat about 16 tons, and press about 12 tons. But don't take my word since I should be asleep right now and kinda just threw numbers that only relate to humans into the mix with someone like Spidey :P

EDIT: @Lady_Liberty

Not trying to create a debate on this, but just adding my two cents. IIRC, humans do only use about anywhere from 30-40% of our total strength. This is our body's built-in way of keeping our muscles from ripping. As I'm sure you know, when you strain your muscles, you rip your fibers. As a defense mechanism, your body limits you to around a third of your strength. When adrenaline kicks in, what happens is your body released that lock and you can use, I think upwards towards 90, maybe even 100 percent of your strength (not 60, but I'm not too certain about 90 either). This is why you always hear about moms lifting cars and such. But the thing it, without that lock preventing you from overusing your muscles, in return for that short burst of power, its very possible that you ripped your muscles during that little boost of adrenaline. In fact, its not uncommon for your muscle to become detached from the bone it inserts upon at all after going all out in a way only adrenaline can provide.

As for the whole 199% to 200% thing, I can't give any thoughts upon. I can tell you however, that the slightest of weight makes the biggest of differences in weight lifting. Like I said at the beginning of my post, I can bench 150 once. So let's say I try to go up to 155. Five pounds doesn't seem like all that much, right? Except that the moment I try to bench it is the moment I automatically fail.

@XEL820 said:

@Grand Ninja

If you want to speak proportionately to those 10 tons, then from experience I'd say anywhere from 20+ tons would be his straining point. For myself, while I can press 150 once, cut that weight in half to 75, and I could do it all day, without tiring at all.

In my own studies, people who're in shape are generally able to press about 92% of their body weight, squat 123%, and lift 153%. If we threw Spidey's weight out the window and just went by proportion, given that Spidey's max in say, a deadlift, is 20 tons, then that would leave him able to squat about 16 tons, and press about 12 tons. But don't take my word since I should be asleep right now and kinda just threw numbers that only relate to humans into the mix with someone like Spidey :P

EDIT: @Lady_Liberty

Not trying to create a debate on this, but just adding my two cents. IIRC, humans do only use about anywhere from 30-40% of our total strength. This is our body's built-in way of keeping our muscles from ripping. As I'm sure you know, when you strain your muscles, you rip your fibers. As a defense mechanism, your body limits you to around a third of your strength. When adrenaline kicks in, what happens is your body released that lock and you can use, I think upwards towards 90, maybe even 100 percent of your strength (not 60, but I'm not too certain about 90 either). This is why you always hear about moms lifting cars and such. But the thing it, without that lock preventing you from overusing your muscles, in return for that short burst of power, its very possible that you ripped your muscles during that little boost of adrenaline. In fact, its not uncommon for your muscle to become detached from the bone it inserts upon at all after going all out in a way only adrenaline can provide.

As for the whole 199% to 200% thing, I can't give any thoughts upon. I can tell you however, that the slightest of weight makes the biggest of differences in weight lifting. Like I said at the beginning of my post, I can bench 150 once. So let's say I try to go up to 155. Five pounds doesn't seem like all that much, right? Except that the moment I try to bench it is the moment I automatically fail.

This guy knows his stuff.

@Lady_Liberty said:

@eatmore_payless: Rad? The movie about racing? Rapid application development? Reactive attachment disorder?

That's not a source.

A source would be a credible study that indicates what you say is true, or a meta analysis of studies that indicate a consensus among experts in the field.

please. I know you're a lady but don't make fun of my wrong spelling, I just didn't noticed it ok? And oh by the way, go to the kitchen make us some sandwiches

@Lady_Liberty: i meant low gravity.i know there's gravity everywere just not alot.compared to earth. im not slow i just wasent being specific

@steelhound56: i meant low gravity ok.its not that serous that Jesus needed to facepalm me.

@XEL820 said:

@Grand Ninja

If you want to speak proportionately to those 10 tons, then from experience I'd say anywhere from 20+ tons would be his straining point. For myself, while I can press 150 once, cut that weight in half to 75, and I could do it all day, without tiring at all.

In my own studies, people who're in shape are generally able to press about 92% of their body weight, squat 123%, and lift 153%. If we threw Spidey's weight out the window and just went by proportion, given that Spidey's max in say, a deadlift, is 20 tons, then that would leave him able to squat about 16 tons, and press about 12 tons. But don't take my word since I should be asleep right now and kinda just threw numbers that only relate to humans into the mix with someone like Spidey :P

EDIT: @Lady_Liberty

Not trying to create a debate on this, but just adding my two cents. IIRC, humans do only use about anywhere from 30-40% of our total strength. This is our body's built-in way of keeping our muscles from ripping. As I'm sure you know, when you strain your muscles, you rip your fibers. As a defense mechanism, your body limits you to around a third of your strength. When adrenaline kicks in, what happens is your body released that lock and you can use, I think upwards towards 90, maybe even 100 percent of your strength (not 60, but I'm not too certain about 90 either). This is why you always hear about moms lifting cars and such. But the thing it, without that lock preventing you from overusing your muscles, in return for that short burst of power, its very possible that you ripped your muscles during that little boost of adrenaline. In fact, its not uncommon for your muscle to become detached from the bone it inserts upon at all after going all out in a way only adrenaline can provide.

As for the whole 199% to 200% thing, I can't give any thoughts upon. I can tell you however, that the slightest of weight makes the biggest of differences in weight lifting. Like I said at the beginning of my post, I can bench 150 once. So let's say I try to go up to 155. Five pounds doesn't seem like all that much, right? Except that the moment I try to bench it is the moment I automatically fail.

Here's him doing some squats.

@Strider92 said:

The only time I can remember him really straining to lift anything was the Daily Bugle incident. Don't know how heavy that was:

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He is desperate strain.