Street Tier Pick a Team R1: Young Justice (Death4Bunnies) vs MCU (CocaColaMan)

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Street Tier Pick a Team Tourney

@death4bunnies

Aqualad, Superboy, Blue Beetle
Aqualad, Superboy, Blue Beetle
  • Non Standard Gear (Superboy Shields)
  • Choose Battlefield (Riverbank)
  • Basic Knowledge

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Iron Spider, Iron Man (Pre IW/No Hulkbuster), War Machine
Iron Spider, Iron Man (Pre IW/No Hulkbuster), War Machine
  • Choose Battlefield
  • Unlimited Ammo w/ No Reload
  • One Hour of Prep on Battlefield

Rules

  • Movie/TV Show Characters get Canon Feats (Movies, TV Shows, Tie-In Comics, Shorts, etc.)
  • Video Game Characters get Canon Feats (Cinematics, Trailers, Tie-In Comics, etc.)
  • Marvel Characters are Standard, 616 Versions
  • DC Characters are Pre/Post 52 Composites (No Wildstorm for Midnighter)
  • Manga Characters are Allowed Anime Feats (No Heroes Rising Feats for MHA, however)
  • No Character Requests
  • In Character, but Serious
  • Fight to K.O. or Death
  • Standard Gear
  • 9 Day Deadline Per Post
  • 8 Participants
  • No BFR
  • Flight Restricted to 30 Feet

Setting: Riverbank-Airport Alamgam

Fighters Start On Ground, 50 Feet Apart
Fighters Start On Ground, 50 Feet Apart

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@defiant_will: Can you allow people to PM you? Thanks.

Just one thing regarding the battle, I’ve had chosen the battlefield too. (Civil war airport) So, where do we fight?

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@chaoselement: Sure

And it will be an amalgam of the two. The Civil War Airport will be adjacent to a river

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@chaoselement: Sure

And it will be an amalgam of the two. The Civil War Airport will be adjacent to a river

Oh okay, then I will continue this battle.

I've sent PM about that.

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@chaoselement:

Would you like me to go first??

Yes, you can go first.

So it's 9 days for each debater maximum to post here.

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I can't wait to see how one of these goes. Always looking for ideas to improve my tournament. T4V.

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"This is not up for debate, you all chose me to lead. When this mission is over, if you wish to select a new leader ill be happy to step down. But until that time, I am in command here."

--Aqualad.

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Superboy

A surprisingly skilled half kryptonian.

So like most kryptonains Superboy his very strong, fast, and durable...

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Here he tanks gun fire and a tank shell no damage....and rips apart a tank....seems like some pretty quantifiable strength and durability.

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Here Superboy 100% outpaces bullets he was now where to be seen when the bullets were fired and still intercepted them, so mach+ speed is easily provable.

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Superboy has also faced some mighty foes.

Like a mind controlled Superman that was not pulling his punches.....

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Connor was not KO'd by that^^^

Proof that Superman was going full force not holding back.

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He has lots of energy resistance feats also.

Aqualad

A student of sorcery and martial arts in Atlantis. He is a very strong, very durable, water bending atlantean

His water kinesis is really good making cqc weapons, ranged weapons and shields.

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Physically he can near match a enraged Superboy.

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Oh and he can react to energy blasts super consistently.

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Blue Beetle

A teenager that happens to be bonded with a alien scarab supercomputer. Providing him armor and weapons, and tactical advice.

He has a bunch of weapons... Like Staples.

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Staples capable of holding this ridiculously strong Wondergirl down.

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He also can make swords and sonic cannons and .Battering ram. and Swords and .Maces. and energy cannon

Physically Blue Beetle is a beast.

He strait up KO'd Superboy, and the entire team.

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He tags impulse.

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And tanks being encased by lava.

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Prep and perks.

Well my team has no prep specifically for this battle but they've trained together for years....and as members of young justice are all connected by a standard communication link.

Knowledge means they know the basic capabilities of who they are fighting (some fancy robot suits)

The location has plenty of water for Aqualad to work with

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Most importantly the Shields...

Special patches given to Superboy by Lex Luthor. They suppress his human DNA for about an hour, allowing his full Kryptonian powers to rise up. Full flight, heatvision and X-ray vision.

All the feats for Superboy ive shown so far are without shields...

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Without his shields his clone beats the crap out of him.

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Once Connor puts on the shield he KO's his clone pretty easily.

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With the patches Superboy is capable of some pretty extreme feats.

Like.....

Being punched across a mountain range by Mammoth

Or these rapid fire punches.

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Also some pretty great Heat vision

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Initial thoughts.

Those are the basic capabilities of my team, lots of other feats tho, to prove consistency, I need to make some gifs but basically just stuff on this level, like Beetle KOing the terror twins, or Superboy taking hits from a Superman empowered Amazo..

Physically they are way above any Stark tech, in speed, durability and strength....Beetle can match or exceed Tonys hacking capabilities, and I think Beetle and Superboy can beat stark tech in energy projection.....add all this together with Aqualads control over massive amount of water and the fight becomes clear.

I think my team is way more skilled with better teamwork, along with better stats and overall versatility.

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@death4bunnies: Just to inform you, I will take some time for this & the Diana CAV.

I am in multiple debates + I have to study this week.

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nice post

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@chaoselement: I heard that you were going to take a month to post. So I will need to put in a reserve

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@cocacolaman would you be interested in picking this up using the MCU Team? I know you debate for the MCU and you were in my last tourney, so I wanted to ask. You can't change your perks though as I don't want to hear complaints about counter building

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@cocacolaman: thank you so much man. alright the posting limit is 9 days. 3 have passed, but I am more than willing to give you a 3 day extension if need be.

@death4bunnies so you are in the loop, CocaCola is your opponent

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@defiant_will: Sorry for semi ruining a part of your tourney. I'm glad CocaCola is willing to help.

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For that, tag after every post.

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@death4bunnies: Hey man, I think your Battering Ram GIF got mixed up for Blue Beetle. It shows the Wondergirl GIF again.

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Here, I'm going to take an unorthodox approach. Instead of posting my character's feats and then going though each of my opponent's points, I'm going to provide a really short summary of what my opponent has posted and expand from there on why the Younglings are less than equipped for this fight by showing how any of their advantages (if they exist) are small, can be countered, and will be overshadowed by the advantages my team brings.

Superboy

From what my opponent has shown thus far, Connor can no sell bullets and tank... tank shells, while also being strong enough to throw multiple tons around like they're nothing and fast enough to move at supersonic speeds. Other than that, he provided a lot of scaling, but he hasn't actually shown why that scaling is impressive.

Aqualad

So, Aqualad has explosion-proof shields, some water streams, he's weaker than Superboy, and he can react to energy blasts.

Blue Beetle

The guy from Batman: The Brave and the Bold has some restraining devices, physical weapons he can make from his armor, energy attacks capable of blowing up rocks, he has some striking feats like knocking out Connor, he tagged a speedster, and tanked lava.

Prep and Perks

Bunny points out that his team has a lot of experience working with each other, they have knowledge on their opponents, and Aqualad has a favorable setting. Superboy has gear that amps him considerably from his earlier feats. He can get hit pretty hard and fight people who were beating him badly. He has after image level speed and he can ravage a swath of land with his heat vision.

Now that we've gone through that, let's look at my issues with these assertions.

Speed

Here's what you've showed for your guys.

  • Superboy moved faster than bullets.
  • Aqualad reacted to energy blasts
  • Blue tagged Impulse

See, there's an issue here. My opponent gave no indication whatsoever of Impulse's speed, or those energy blasts. Now, I can't just assume that they're fast, so all I can assume is that Superboy is carrying his team in this department. Unfortunately, my team has feats that make it impossible for Superboy to blitz.

In other words, my slowest character has casual near-Mach reactions, and that still surpasses 2/3 of my opponents right now. There's also the fact you can't dodge my energy attacks that move at supersonic speeds consistently.

  1. Iron Man tags fast-moving bots with repulsors that move as fast as the Bots' blasters, which are fast enough to cross massive distances in under a second.
  2. Iron Man's repulsors cross a ridiculous distance in one frame.
  3. Iron Man's repulsors move as fast as HYDRA Blasters, which move at bullet speed.
  4. They tag Thor, who has supersonic reaction feats.

If that doesn't prove supersonic repulsors, I don't know what will, and if only Superboy (so far) can dodge them, your team isn't looking too hot.

Strength

Here's what you showed for your guys.

  • Superboy threw a tank top (lol)
  • Aqualad got overpowered by him
  • Blue Beetle is above Superboy (can I get a link of the whole fight between the YJ and BB?)

Frankly, my characters stomp your characters in this regard. Superboy threw the top of a tank.

I get that Superboy has his shields, but really, you'll need better feats than this. War Machine could overpower him based on what I'm seeing, and not only that, but due to the nature of Rhodey's tech, he could very easily overpower someone and shoot them in the head, or overpower one while shooting another. This would leave Peter and Tony to fight the one guy left together, and from what I'm seeing, the two could very easily overpower an opponent. Or, alternatively, while War Machine overpowers someone and shoots another, Tony can release an onslaught on the guy War Machine's holding, which would effectively eliminate two opponents at the same time. But to prove that tidbit, I need to prove my characters can harm yours, which is a matter of-

Durability

And I'm just going to be honest, it's not good. Aqualad was given nothing, only his water shields which not only took a bit to get up, but only resisted a room level explosion, which puts all its force over a large area, heavily reducing the force it would put over a smaller area like a fist. I don't see why Tony can't pierce through it with a tank buster missile, and then just one shot Aqualad, which you can't deny unless you're willing to put up some actual durability feats for him. That leaves the other two (am I the only one who noticed that them being massively better than Aqualad is a motif in this post?) Superboy tanked a tank shell, but since I've already shown Iron Man actually busting a tank, I think Connor will be under some significant heat. Literally, in fact, since Iron Man's Unibeam is hot enough to turn a thick metal arm into slag instantaneously. For H2H, War Machine obliterated an Ultron Bot (he did the same with bullets) and they crater the floor of the Helicarrier while still intact enough to no sell handgun bullets. Blue Beetle got no durability feats except lava, but since Lava is cooler than the Unibeam, I think we're good on that front, not to mention that's a heat feat, but nothing relating to force.

Attacking

Finally, we get to the ability of my team to overcome your offense. If you were hoping to get some breathing room here, you're wrong.

  • Superboy had Heat Vision that mowed through stuff
  • Aqualad had a water thing (why is he here?)
  • Blue Beetle KOed Superboy, plus a lot more neat stuff.

Nothing you showed can really get through Stark tech, though.

Also, all these three guys should scale above Avengers Iron Man in durability considering the advance in tech (plus, Peter has superhuman stats himself beneath the suit) and Avengers IM got grounded up in supersonic, building sized metal rotors for several seconds and was perfectly fine. Since nothing you showed comes close to that level of force, I see no reason my team will go down soon.

Now, Blue Beetle had some versatility, right? Well, he had some piercing stuff (good and all, but so far he doesn't have the feats to tag my characters in the first place.) He also had blunt force, which I've addressed, and energy attacks, which don't compare to Thor's lightning that Tony tanked. The only other thing was sonics, which are neat, but War Machine has those, too. Not to mention, Tony already dodged a supersonic attack, so a sonic attack shouldn't be much issue.

Also, Aqualad needs help. His attack got dispersed by a weak attack in your own GIF. My team wouldn't even have to try to disperse that.

The Fight Strategy

Here's my strategy.

  1. Spider-Man webs up the whole place while Tony summons his Iron Legion. I've got unlimited ammo and an hour prep, so try and stop me.
  2. When the team gets dropped into the field, they get bombarded with repulsors, missiles, and bullets.
  3. Aqualad dies, and I wouldn't be surprised if Blue Beetle does, too. Superboy would then have to face my team alone.

Here's why I think these work.

Phase 1

This is where you can't do anything. My team is on the field, they can make the whole area swamped in webbing. Since webbing can resist the pull of two sides of a Ferry for a short period of time, I don't see why your team would effortlessly walk through that, and considering Peter's speed and the help he can get from the others in getting around with flight, I think webbing the whole place up is not just possible, but plausible. Then you've got the flying Iron Legion, plus Tony and Rhodey, who would easily avoid the webbing by staying up in the air, and with Spider-Man's adhesive abilities, he can stick onto Tony or Rhodey so he doesn't get caught in his own webs. The Iron Legion, aren't necessary, but they can definitely help.

I mean, you can't do anything about this. They've got the prep.

Phase 2

When the YJ teens get onto the field, they'll be caught up in the webbing. Though it won't immobilize them, it will hinder their movement for the short bit of time it takes the team to let loose on them. Aqualad gets his face melted off by a repulsor, Blue Beetle probably won't be conscious afterwards, and Superboy will be feeling major pain.

Phase 3

Now Superboy is alone. Superboy would get ganged up on by two guys with comparable strength at least and the speed to keep up, and he'd be further bombarded by my team. He can only take so much punishment. And since he can't put my team down in a timely manner, this can't be countered with him just knocking them away and letting loose on them.

Conclusion

I'm basing my entire post off the knowledge I'm getting from my opponent. I may change it accordingly if more feats are shown, but this is what I've got. Aqualad is going to get stomped, Blue Beetle isn't going to stay around for very long, and Superboy can't solo. So, in the end, my team will emerge victorious.

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Speed

Sweet, I will follow my opponents lead and answer the questions he asked.

You said.

See, there's an issue here. My opponent gave no indication whatsoever of Impulse's speed, or those energy blasts. Now, I can't just assume that they're fast, so all I can assume is that Superboy is carrying his team in this department. Unfortunately, my team has feats that make it impossible for Superboy to blitz.

In other words, my slowest character has casual near-Mach reactions, and that still surpasses 2/3 of my opponents right now. There's also the fact you can't dodge my energy attacks that move at supersonic speeds consistently.

  1. Iron Man tags fast-moving bots with repulsors that move as fast as the Bots' blasters, which are fast enough to cross massive distances in under a second.
  2. Iron Man's repulsors cross a ridiculous distance in one frame.
  3. Iron Man's repulsors move as fast as HYDRA Blasters, which move at bullet speed.
  4. They tag Thor, who has supersonic reaction feats.

If that doesn't prove supersonic repulsors, I don't know what will, and if only Superboy (so far) can dodge them, your team isn't looking too hot.

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Question 1: How fast is impulse? Why is beetle tagging him impressive?

Impulse

Question 2: how fast are the lasers that Aqualad reacted to?

Admittedly I dont now..um pretty fast, just basic energy shot reaction I guess.

Question 3: Can Superboy blitz?

Yes he defiantly can.

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Simply put Superboy not only blocks bullets, he outraces them by about double... pretty well evidenced by him being nowhere to be seen when the bullets are fired in the scan above....thats movement speed thats 2x the reaction speed your best character...Spiderman.

Not only that, but that was pre amp....and I can outright prove that his patches amp his speed along with his other stats.

See that scan above is Superboy at base, something his clone is capable of.

With his patches, Superboy is >> his clone...in all stats including speed.

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So with his patches he is faster than even himself, who is already faster than your fastest guy.

He uses this speed in combat to great effect.

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I dont think you've proven that any of your characters can react to, let alone move at the kinda speed.

Reactions / Combat speed.....Ironman may be able to react to a shell from a distance, but he does not move dynamically at these speeds.....Spiderman may be able to pre-cog his way out of some gunfire, but his body just doesnt move this ^^ fast.

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Question 4: can you see Blue Beetle team busting??

Sure.

Blue beetle busts the team.

Black beetle busts team He did this like 4 times, also beat some of the JL.

Blue beats black after a long fight. (he becomes the first beetle to have full symbiosis with his scarab.)

Strength

You said

Here's what you showed for your guys.

  • Superboy threw a tank top (lol)
  • Aqualad got overpowered by him
  • Blue Beetle is above Superboy (can I get a link of the whole fight between the YJ and BB?)

Frankly, my characters stomp your characters in this regard. Superboy threw the top of a tank.

I get that Superboy has his shields, but really, you'll need better feats than this. War Machine could overpower him based on what I'm seeing, and not only that, but due to the nature of Rhodey's tech, he could very easily overpower someone and shoot them in the head, or overpower one while shooting another. This would leave Peter and Tony to fight the one guy left together, and from what I'm seeing, the two could very easily overpower an opponent. Or, alternatively, while War Machine overpowers someone and shoots another, Tony can release an onslaught on the guy War Machine's holding, which would effectively eliminate two opponents at the same time. But to prove that tidbit, I need to prove my characters can harm yours, which is a matter of-

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No... he tears the top off of a tank which is >> lifting one.

Spiderman did not hold a ferry together, his webs did, once they started breaking he started failing. He never held it unassisted and I dont think we know how much was on him and how much was on the webs

Also not building sized rotors, also they are made to spin, not even a strength feat.

Superboys strength is actually born out in his striking....

Aquaboy won that Superboy fight with some help, he is portrayed at near that level pretty consistently.

Aquaboy has better stand alone striking than any one on your team.

He also has better stand alone strength than anyone on your team

Beetle also has better strength and striking than anyone on your team

Clear strength gap here, added to the already proven speed gap.

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Durability

You said

And I'm just going to be honest, it's not good. Aqualad was given nothing, only his water shields which not only took a bit to get up, but only resisted a room level explosion, which puts all its force over a large area, heavily reducing the force it would put over a smaller area like a fist. I don't see why Tony can't pierce through it with a tank buster missile, and then just one shot Aqualad, which you can't deny unless you're willing to put up some actual durability feats for him. That leaves the other two (am I the only one who noticed that them being massively better than Aqualad is a motif in this post?) Superboy tanked a tank shell, but since I've already shown Iron Man actually busting a tank, I think Connor will be under some significant heat. Literally, in fact, since Iron Man's Unibeam is hot enough to turn a thick metal arm into slag instantaneously. For H2H, War Machine obliterated an Ultron Bot (he did the same with bullets) and they crater the floor of the Helicarrier while still intact enough to no sell handgun bullets. Blue Beetle got no durability feats except lava, but since Lava is cooler than the Unibeam, I think we're good on that front, not to mention that's a heat feat, but nothing relating to force.

Im starting to think you didnt read my post.

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That is at least 6 ft of concrete with extreme low ball.

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Mind you that was secondary force, as in superman punched Superboy in the jaw so hard he flew through 6 foot of concrete fast enough to fracture a second layer of concrete.

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I showed energy resistance....like 6x...but all you saw was tank shell??

Here let me be explicit....Ironman can not reasonably harm Superboy, especially with his patches.

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Aqualad

shields work against focused attacks

There you go, energy specific feats, saying my guys can tank some replacer tech....No member of this team is not going down easy.

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MCU tries to attack??

You said.

Finally, we get to the ability of my team to overcome your offense. If you were hoping to get some breathing room here, you're wrong.

  • Superboy had Heat Vision that mowed through stuff
  • Aqualad had a water thing (why is he here?)
  • Blue Beetle KOed Superboy, plus a lot more neat stuff.

Nothing you showed can really get through Stark tech, though.

Also, all these three guys should scale above Avengers Iron Man in durability considering the advance in tech (plus, Peter has superhuman stats himself beneath the suit) and Avengers IM got grounded up in supersonic, building sized metal rotors for several seconds and was perfectly fine. Since nothing you showed comes close to that level of force, I see no reason my team will go down soon.

Now, Blue Beetle had some versatility, right? Well, he had some piercing stuff (good and all, but so far he doesn't have the feats to tag my characters in the first place.) He also had blunt force, which I've addressed, and energy attacks, which don't compare to Thor's lightning that Tony tanked. The only other thing was sonics, which are neat, but War Machine has those, too. Not to mention, Tony already dodged a supersonic attack, so a sonic attack shouldn't be much issue.

Also, Aqualad needs help. His attack got dispersed by a weak attack in your own GIF. My team wouldn't even have to try to disperse that.

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Holy moly...are you calling this a mountain busting attack??

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It left every body in tact and every building standing ...lol

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Funnier still there are reporters standing like 10 feet away from him durning the missile strike.

Not the same as a concentrated jehrico, Ironmans armor has never been at that level, and was not at that level even in the scan you provided.

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Spiderman did not tank a train, he was pretty messed up from a single hit.

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Saying things like Blue Beetle doesnt have the feats to tag your characters seems silly as reactions=/= movement,..oh and also he tagged Impulse.

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Aqualad has near Superboy stats with added water powers, hell be fine.

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Phase 1 -- Superboy and Beetle fly so webbing isnt to much of a issue for them.....Superboy and beetle can also casually melt any webbing, prolly wont need to tho, because they fly.

Beetle and Superboys energy projection would destroy Pre IW Stark armor, also their physical attacks would destroy that armor.

Also your sleeping on Aqualad, even with his feet webbed to the ground, he pretty casually beats team MCU.

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There is no phase 2, Superboy uses his speed really well in character.

Beetle can definilty tag anyone here and no one has the feat on the level to withstand 2-3 punches from either.

Aqualad dosnt need to move around much, his power will do most the work for him.

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Conclusion.

Feats are feats and MCU just is not up to snuff compared to this animated universe.

I was gonna bring up things like skills and teamwork, (Aqualad has tons of training, Beetle gets AI tactical advise, and Superboy is extremely skilled for a kryptonain.

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Plus you know training with Superman, and Shazam, and his time on the team.

Have you ever seen a kryptonain do a spin kick?

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YJ has a few training montages together, so I think they are just better at team work.

The feats ive shown are not at all inconsistent or outliers....For example

Amazo hits Superboy with the power of Superman...one of the best strikes in the series.

Blue beetle KO's the Terror Twins... the terror twins are able to do battle with superman and manhunter, and take their hits.

Everything ive shown is very consistent.

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Anyway raw power, versatility and skill I believe are all on my side here.

YJ should take a very strong majority if not a outright 10/10.

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@death4bunnies: Well, that was fast.

I've got college in a minute, I'll try to get a post up tomorrow.