@boschepg:
Counters 2:
Im assuming you mean Kraven and not KaZar as you stated at the end of your reply.
Actually I was trying to say that if KaZar and Kraven are equals then if my team can keep up with KaZar, we can keep up with Kraven. Which is why I was asking for KaZar's feats.
Point 1- Never, ever urge your opponent to place a scan of said feet. It doesn't read well in battles for votes.
Hmm, okay.
Point 2- I NEVER stated speed blitz.
You may not have said it directly but it was implied by the you saying
"Here is a very simple way how Kraven moved from a laying bed position to choking a female in a blink. I used this because I don't believe your team actually has enhanced reflexes, thus I used a human level comparison on how Kraven would look"
My error was I did state reflexes when I should have said senses (hearing, vision) but I would also argue your reflexes too. Your team has no radar sense, no Wolverine smell, nothing like that. I said Kraven with image inducer would easily infiltrate your team since he plays psychological games a lot with his drugs, this time he has SHIELD tech to get even closer. My speed feet is how your team would react to Kraven since you have normal senses (outside of Darkhawk's telescopic vision)
So how would we detect Kraven infiltrating out team in time? Well, first of all I doubt you can even do that (not because you lack the ability but because Shocker can't be penetrated by bullets so darts won't touch him) and secondly, as stated before, my team is all in one place, if you take one of us out, it will be pretty obvious, even if you use stealth.
Kaine and Black Panther were hit and barely knew it. Kaine and Black Panther >>> then any reflex, sense on your team
I mean, my team is bulletproof from head to toe, so your drugs will just bounce off us. Except for Mysterio who would already have his illusions ready meaning it would be hard to pinpoint him.
There was no intent to mislead. I wrote 'early' X-Men. It was around issue 10 - Bobby isn't freezing anyone at that stage. I was merely pointing out that he fought multiple mutants at once.
I know, I didn't say you mislead anyone. I was just saying that it is less impressive as it sounds (also I didn't know Bobby couldn't freeze people before).
What was the purpose of showing this scan? Kraven is peak human but did I try to mislead in durability???? I dont think so.
I didn't mention durability, the hit was clearly a targeted one meant to stop the heart so it isn't even a low durability showing. I was merely showing that Scarlet is faster than Kraven when he wants to be.
How does Kaine being bloodlusted at the moment reflect on your team winning this battle?
Not sure what you are asking but Scarlet doesn't get faster when he is bloodlusted.
Are you trying to say Shocker mind reacts at superhuman levels? If we are going to place actual speed between Shocker and Kraven, we all know Shocker is going to lose this battle cuz we both know Shocker does not react on that level.
Kraven is faster yes, but Shocker is close to him in reaction speed. And yes, Shocker is quite superhuman in reaction speed, almost all of Spidey's villains are because other wise Spidey would deal with them easily.
Can Shocker see through SHIELD image tech
You said you were knocking Shocker out before using that so it doesn't really matter.
Can he heal from the toxins without expecting it
Can the toxins even hurt him in the first place? Remember darts aren't touching him.
If we are going to use Spider-Man's webbing as the basis of speed, than we are all at equal speed. That Mysterio webbing scan is also an early showing. Its like when you questioned KaZar's original X-Men fight. It wasn't meant as a speed feet that early in the series. As you stated, Mysterio doesn't rely on speed
I didn't say we were equal in speed. I was pointy out that Mysterio is much faster than a regular person so comparing him to the girl that couldn't perceive Kraven won't work.
Ill ask you this, since my team hunted you down, which is more likely to have an advantage based on Mysterio's and Kraven's prior knowledge??? My team just came across the entire city and hunted you down. I see you first.
Not sure how this relates to what you are currently countering, but you would see us first, but as stated in your strategy you would also do some planning outside (getting KaZar and Kraven to agree to Mockingbird's plan and Kraven using his info on Shocker and Mysterio), and while you do that we would detect you. Even if we don't we definitely will when you try to dart us.
As stated, you have no enhanced hearing, no radar sense. We are hunters. We would talk
And that is how we detect you. The city is empty and you are talking right outside of us, my team would be in high alert so the slightest noise would alarm them or at least alarm Darkhawk enough to look outside while invisible.
That was part of it. What you didn't post is that as the scan shows, KaZar has vibraniumon him. Its part of the KaZar Plunder mythos. Your shock waves are greatly neutralized. Spider-Man doesn't have vibranium. KaZar does
Where does he keep the Vibranium? Also, I am pretty sure Darkhawk could still take him out with his Darkforce blasts, which took out Iron Clad, a guy almost as strong as the Thing.
We can say, and probably agree, that Shocker is stronger than Klaw. Shocker isn't on KaZar level though.
And KaZar isn't on Spidey's level. Shocker can do the same thing to KaZar if he charges in.
I think you are showing feats that aren't really speed or strength feats. Just reaction in an ordinary battle. I could place these scans of KaZar and Spider-Man but it isn't really speed. These scans are more for you, so readers please ignore. These aren't speed feats
Those scans were just of KaZar grabbing unto things and not really reacting to Spidey.
You would say something about his force fields but then I would reply that he doesn't have it on all the time, which I would be correct
That doesn't really prove you can accurately land a shot. And Darkhawk can activate his force fields easily. Here is him blocking a rocket with it.
He can also make it a dome if needed.
I would argue that Mysterio illusions are more CQC oriented. He isn't Sosuke Aizen. Are you saying that Mysterio is coming out of the building with illusions.
Yeah. he basically always walks around with smoke and gas surrounding him which he uses for illusions. If you are talking about the more complex stuff like clones, then no, but he can create them later.
I just got to ask,does Mysterio have force fields? I have shown Kraven can tag Kaine and Black Panther from a distance and even have explosive blow darts. If I take out Mysterio, bye, bye, illusions
Nope but he has illusions which make him hard to hit, and like I said he would already have prepared his illusions before you get there so he will already be smoke when you dart him. Smoke that makes him hard to hit (and as stated he almost always has that smoke surrounding him).
He will only use the clone thing to surround your team.
Ill ask again, how does your team get past my SHIELD image tech - cuz Im going to keep pressing it until you can give an answer. If Darkhawk flies to our location and we look like Shocker and Mysterio, how is that going to favor your team??? It isnt
You are skipping the first part of the battle where you supposedly dart my team. But to answer your question, my team would know if one of us falls so if we see Shocker get KO'd then another Shocker walks in, we would all know what's up and attack the fake Shocker.
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