Straw Hat Pirates vs Blackbeard Pirates

Luffy solos we gone need more feats

Most of BB's crew Is featless.

BB pirates are obvious future opponents, and it will be a tough close fight, and future SHs will obviously be far stronger than they currently are, so by that logic BB pirates should currently win.

But BB's crew if far less static than the crews of other Yonko, they've been growing in strength over the last 3 years as fast as SHs did, so it's possible they are not nearly as strong now as they will be once they face SHs.

Impossible to tell at the moment.

Based on current knowledge straw hats mid difficulty

By current feats, G5 Luffy should be above their entire crew.

@shirso: even BB? By what scaling?

Looking forward to that Zoro vs Shiryu fight.

Being stronger than Kaido who should be above Akainu who post Gura Gura BB and his entire crew ran from during the timeskip.

@shirso:

Being stronger than Kaido

You're absolutely delusional if you think Luffy is stronger than Kaido.

who should be above Akainu

No proof for this either.

to who post Gura Gura BB and his entire crew ran from during the timeskip.

BB also ran from Rayleigh but guess what?

@ego_death4:

You're absolutely delusional if you think Luffy is stronger than Kaido.

G5 Luffy is.

No proof for this either.

Ton of narrative lore and implications putting Kaido above Admirals, and generally comparing how YCs fare against Admirals vs how YCs fare against Yonkos, Akainu hasn't even shown ACoC to suggest he can reliably damage Kaido, etc

BB also ran from Rayleigh

Huh? When?

@shirso:

G5 Luffy is.

Nope because;

Kaido exerted his energy fighting 15 different people.

Held back for a majority of his fights which caused him to take a ton of careless damage from said 15 people.

Exerted himself lifting and moving an island.

To say Luffy won this fight on pure plot armour isn't doing it justice.

Ton of narrative lore and implications putting Kaido above Admirals

Give me some because I don't seem to remember anything placing Kaido above Akainu.

and generally comparing how YCs fare against Admirals vs how YCs fare against Yonkos

What? In the presence of either, YCs get low diffed so what on earth are you talking about?

Akainu hasn't even shown ACoC to suggest he can reliably damage Kaido, etc

Akainu's fruit is confirmed to have the highest offensive power in the verse. That puts him above even the likes of Whitebeard in AP who would demolish Kaido.

Huh? When?

Literally 2 chapters ago. Rayleigh made BB flee the island he was raiding.

@ego_death4:

Nope because;

Kaido exerted his energy fighting 15 different people.

Held back for a majority of his fights which caused him to take a ton of careless damage from said 15 people.

Exerted himself lifting and moving an island.

To say Luffy won this fight on pure plot armour isn't doing it justice.

I mean, those are there, but at the end of the day G5 Luffy still beat Kaido, you'd need to argue the other damage he took is enough to make a difference which is unlikely as Kaido himself stated people like the Scabbards only gave him shallow wounds. Also it's not like Luffy himself didn't take damage either before going G5, and he took some of Kaido's strongest attacks, while the attacks Kaido took were from far weaker characters. So it kind of evens out.

Give me some because I don't seem to remember anything placing Kaido above Akainu.

The narration stating he is the strongest in 1v1, his combat strength being put above Marineford WB's in a novel, Kaido's backstory implying the Marines have nothing that can actually kill him, and in general Yonkos being portrayed above Admirals, like even young Big Mom without any DF or haki or combat training was considered Admiral potential on raw strength alone, what happened recently with Green Bull, etc.

Not to mention Advanced CoC is a requirement to damage Kaido, which Akainu hasn't shown feats of.

What? In the presence of either, YCs get low diffed so what on earth are you talking about?

YCs always seem to hold their own to some degree against Admirals compared to Yonkos where they just get immediately stomped. Old Rayleigh held off Kizaru, Marco blocked attacks from Akainu at MF, Jozu held off Aokiji for a bit before he got distracted, etc.

Akainu's fruit is confirmed to have the highest offensive power in the verse. That puts him above even the likes of Whitebeard in AP who would demolish Kaido.

It's in the highest class, but that doesn't mean it's the only DF in that class, and by feats MF WB's quake punches already evenly matched Akainu's magma fists. Besides DF isn't the only thing that determines AP, haki is equally important and WB and Kaido both have shown Advanced CoC while no Admiral has.

Literally 2 chapters ago. Rayleigh made BB flee the island he was raiding.

Oh you are referring to that instance only? Well, Rayleigh answers it himself, he is not strong enough to 1v1 BB, there were other circumstances, like BB probably wanted to go after Law and didn't want to waste time fighting Rayleigh. With Akainu it's BB himself who states he isn't ready to fight Akainu:

The straw hats take it. Their crew is more or equivalent to Kaidos tobi roppo level/more. Only Usopp(until he masters observation haki) and chopper are below

@ego_death4:

Exert what? He plays around with Scabbards, if anything he lets them attack him, he gets serious when Luffy, Law and Zoro can break his tough scale and even more so when Luffy unlocks his A CoC, and awakening

Not all YC get low diffed what are you smoking? Marco can hold his own, Akainu couldn't even overpower him in the manga, Jozu a YC3 was able to make Aokiji (Akainu's equivalent) bleed,

Heavily weakened, injured sick old WB still beats Akainu, and it doesn't matter if you have the greatest, most powerful/broken OP fruit, it can be countered by adv haki, as Kaido admits and praises Roger for conquering all seas with just haki. And also lol in an old WB who was sick of being on top of Kaido to the point where he could demolish him, that's beyond ridiculous, another example Shanks got Akainu and Greenbull shitting in their pants and backing off, so Yonko>>AdmiraLs

Current BB>>>>Preskip BB, his crew got much stronger/crazy Df, current BB will match or even beat Akainu.

Rayleigh says he can't win against Current BB, it's just that BB would rather save his crew and Road Poneglyhp and Law fruit >>>>>>Boa Fruit

It's like some people commenting haven't read the chapter

Also LOL at G5 soloing the BB pirates

I'm leaning towards the Straw Hat pirates for now 'till we see Blackbeard himself in action against a Yonko tier like Shanks.

Blackbeard needs to dominate Law in order to be taken seriously. Switch Franky with Jinbei by the way

@grandtoaa: we'll get a giant Mecha Franky by the end of this arc?

Mugiwaras for now.

FatBeard needs feats.And off-screen feats or running away aint good feats

the BB pirates hardly have any feats

then perhaps feats are not the most optimal methodology for estimating their power

Rank their crew right now.

1 day prep means SHs in my book, however IC and plotwise it would go to BB. The SHs would not be prepared for a BB assault who usually attacks in an ambush with underhanded methods.

I can't, as you can see from my first post, the other methodologies are not working well either.

The best you can do is match them up with whoever you think they will end up fighting in the end. Which is not that easy to do for about half of them.

Narratively, shouldn’t the BB crew stomp?

Strawhat mops the floor feat wise,

Luffy vs BB - Luffy hardcounters BB gura with his rubber body and if luffy can down kaido with his G5 hits then blackbeard will be the same but worst.

Zoro yonko AP and sanji kizaru's lvl of speed could overwhelm and oneshot most of the BB crew add that to jinbei as he can provide some problem to BB crew which it is already proven against Law sea based crew, then the fight is concluded if we scale it right.

Aside from Blackbeard himself nothing suggest the straw hats don't murk

Currently I see Usopp, Franky, and maybe brook losing their respective matches.

@bigbaby: Chopper is much stronger physically and more durable than Nami