Storm/Jean Grey vs The Thing/Human Torch

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Poll Storm/Jean Grey vs The Thing/Human Torch (27 votes)

Ororo/Jean 78%
Ben/Johnny 22%

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Rules:

  • Win By Death/ KO or Incap
  • No TP
  • No BFR
  • Fight Starts at 100 feets apart
  • Perfect Teamwork

R1: In Character

R2: Bloodlusted/ Morals Off

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Storm going all out can solo

Jean can beat Human Torch, but would struggle to harm the Thing with just TK

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@emmafrostxmen: how would Jean struggle to harm the Thing with her tk? She can manipulate matter on an atomic level, she can dismantle his body, crush it etc..

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Jean solo and so does Storm.. Storm is actually resistant to Johnny's power...

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@princess_fiona: Thing is literally Hulk level, and he defeated him recently...

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Thing likely solos. Johnny's dumb but he can go when it matters.

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#7  Edited By princess_fiona

@emmafrostxmen: I understand that, i am so not underestimating the Thing.. but Jean's tk is godhood, she has absolute telekinetic.. powerful enough to safe the word from being destroyed by a nuclear, she is thr Mutant Alpha.

Even the Hulk does not stand a chance against her.. she recently blocked attacks from 4 SS and oneshotted them..

The Thing won't be a problem for Jean.

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@princess_fiona: I think your far overrating Jean. She couldn’t even efficiently defeat Apocalypse with TK

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Jean/Storm both rounds

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Why? What beef do you have with Ben and Johnny to make this?

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@evil-incarnate: but Thing is at the level of Hulk and Jean cannot use Telepathy '_'

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@waitomegastorm: She'd take him apart with TK and turn him into a pile of rubble. He has no way to evade her and Johnny can't help for shit.

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@evil-incarnate: Agreed

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@emmafrostxmen: how am I overrating Jean? And it depends on whoch version of Jean u r speaking of.. Jean with mental blocks or omega level Jean?

Omega level Jean Grey took on 2 Cyclops (adult and young), young Jean Grey and Phoenix Quentin Quire and was able to fight them evenly in Battle of Atoms

Omega level Jean was owning Apocalypse in Uncanny X-men 2019

She one shots 4 SS after blocking their attacks..

Cassandra Nova is afraid of Jean Grey.

She breaks Magneto's force field with a punch, and we all know how powerful his sheild is.. i doubt even the Thing can break it

The list keeps going, but u cannot use classic Jean who has mental blocks as if that's all she is capable of..

All of her feats before 2018 was Jean Grey with mental blocks, because she was afraid od rhe Phoenix Force taking over her so she held back, X also put mental blocks on her..

It was explained that the Phoenix Force was holding her back in X-men Red Annual 1. And then in the same comic, I would like to say issue 9 but I am not sure, its when she uses Searebro..

So no I am not overrating her.. in AoA comic, Sinister calls her the all-powerful mutant, that she is the Mutant Alpha. Do u even know what that means??

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Didn't Jean and Thing already fight in Contest of Champions II #4?

Can someone tell if that's canon

Bloodlusted Jean destroys Thing at molecular level

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#16  Edited By juiceboks  Moderator

@cruelrain: They did and Jean won by tricking Ben into fighting in an area where he couldn't breath, and by the time he found out she restrained him until he passed out, but she was struggling to hold him down for even a few seconds before he collapsed. It is canon btw

As for the thread I don't think her TK is strong enough to put him down alone but with Storm their best bet is to trap him in a vacuum or drown him which they would probably do in character.

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#17  Edited By marvelfan1992

@princess_fiona said:

@emmafrostxmen: how am I overrating Jean? And it depends on whoch version of Jean u r speaking of.. Jean with mental blocks or omega level Jean?

Omega level Jean Grey took on 2 Cyclops (adult and young), young Jean Grey and Phoenix Quentin Quire and was able to fight them evenly in Battle of Atoms

Omega level Jean was owning Apocalypse in Uncanny X-men 2019

She one shots 4 SS after blocking their attacks..

Cassandra Nova is afraid of Jean Grey.

She breaks Magneto's force field with a punch, and we all know how powerful his sheild is.. i doubt even the Thing can break it

The list keeps going, but u cannot use classic Jean who has mental blocks as if that's all she is capable of..

All of her feats before 2018 was Jean Grey with mental blocks, because she was afraid od rhe Phoenix Force taking over her so she held back, X also put mental blocks on her..

It was explained that the Phoenix Force was holding her back in X-men Red Annual 1. And then in the same comic, I would like to say issue 9 but I am not sure, its when she uses Searebro..

So no I am not overrating her.. in AoA comic, Sinister calls her the all-powerful mutant, that she is the Mutant Alpha. Do u even know what that means??

stop using feats of alternate future versions of teen Jean for adult Jean. Alternate future versions don't count, those are just possible outcomes in the future, futures that won't happen anymore. Also AoA sinister could have called AoA Jean the most powerful being in existence and it still wouldn't mean anything for this fight because AoA Jean is not 616 Jean

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Storm can solo if she really wants to, Team female 10/10.

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Storm ain't soloing lol. She can't overpower Ben's durability.

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Storm ain't soloing lol. She can't overpower Ben's durability.

I don't think she has to. She can drown him, bury him, attempt to freeze him, use winds strong enough to lift him to prevent him from ever fighting back, etc. It isn't that she can beat Ben. It's that Ben can't beat her.

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I'll back the X-Men. Johnny is light work & the duo can knock out Thing.

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#23  Edited By Noobmaster2001

Thing and Human Torch win.

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#24  Edited By Mooty_Pass

Storm can Solo. And Jean can solo.

But together they Win both rounds.

-The Human Torch has never been a threat to Storm. And The Thing isn’t tagging her either.

-Then Add on Jeans TK only solidifies their Win.

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Thing likely solos. Johnny's dumb but he can go when it matters.

Thing and Human Torch win.

any specific reason why they win? since everyone thinks Jean and Storm can beat them easily.

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@waitomegastorm: Johnny's too fast for the pair, removes Storm from the equation, then him and Ben gang up on Jean and strain her from two ends

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@waitomegastorm: I think Ben is too durable. He can take out Storm via throwing rubble at her for example then they double team Jean.

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Thing not tagging Storm? Since when is Storm fast?

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#29  Edited By Mooty_Pass

@takenstew22: That’s correct. The Thing isn’t tagging Storm. They are 100ft away. Ben Grimm is not fast enough to close that gap before Storm Sends Ben Grimm a couple thousand feet in the air in the blink of an eye.

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@takenstew22: That’s correct. The Thing isn’t tagging Storm. Ben Grimm is not fast enough to get to her before she sends him a couple thousand feet in the air in the blink of an eye.

Fair enough but sending him up in the air ain't gonna do anything.

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#31  Edited By Mooty_Pass

@takenstew22: Thats True. But sending him in the air isn’t to harm him. But to get him out of the way. That way Storm and Jean can gang up on Johnny and then turn their attention on Ben.

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Jean can telekinetically over power Ben while Storm takes down Human Torch in a good fight

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#34 nassergrant19  Online

Jean solo and so does Storm.. Storm is actually resistant to Johnny's power...

No she’s not, and Johnny beats Storm btw

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Team 2 wins. Torch's too fast and Thing's too durable.

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I honestly don't see a reason why Jean and Storm lose here. The other team has zero defenses, they just have to take it and I really doubt they're getting past Jean's shields.

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@princess_fiona said:

Jean solo and so does Storm.. Storm is actually resistant to Johnny's power...

No she’s not, and Johnny beats Storm btw

Johnny is not beating Storm lol and thing is definitely not beating Jean.

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Team 1 wins handily

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Jean could hold back Thing until Storm takes out Human Torch only due to him holding back in character

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#40 nassergrant19  Online

@kymilia said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@princess_fiona said:

Jean solo and so does Storm.. Storm is actually resistant to Johnny's power...

No she’s not, and Johnny beats Storm btw

Johnny is not beating Storm lol and thing is definitely not beating Jean.

Johnny with morals off is shown to be able to kill Storm. In their fight in 2005 Johnny let Storm win because he knew he could’ve killed her.

Tbh Morals on Johnny would win as well lol. His flight/speed and agility is too much for Storm. Plus Johnny can clone himself to throw Storm off. Even if she tries to put him out, Johnny is shown to immediately flame back on and continue fighting. Johnny could distract Storm with his clones and get her out of commission with the nova blast.

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@kymilia said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@princess_fiona said:

Jean solo and so does Storm.. Storm is actually resistant to Johnny's power...

No she’s not, and Johnny beats Storm btw

Johnny is not beating Storm lol and thing is definitely not beating Jean.

Johnny with morals off is shown to be able to kill Storm. In their fight in 2005 Johnny let Storm win because he knew he could’ve killed her.

Tbh Morals on Johnny would win as well lol. His flight/speed and agility is too much for Storm. Plus Johnny can clone himself to throw Storm off. Even if she tries to put him out, Johnny is shown to immediately flame back on and continue fighting. Johnny could distract Storm with his clones and get her out of commission with the nova blast.

Storm could make a thunderstorm, is Johnny immune to rain water, lightning, and ice? This will most likely be Jean and Storm vs Johnny and I don't see Johnny winning that.