Storm vs Vulcan Rematch

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Vulcan shouldn't have any real issues with weather-related powers given he's already handled far bigger threats.

I don't care how many excuses Ewing tries to throw at us the readers for why Vulcan lost their skirmish I still call bullshit on that defeat.

Vulcan is the superior energy manipulator not just in power but in finesse

@killianduclark: seems like Vulcan was sent back as a shell, Brand did note that he was only using his surface abilities

But yes

Storm overpowering him physically, was absolutely stupid, and even worse matching his energy manipulation

Yeah I recall Vulcan even states this

Bump

Vulcan wins

The way she beat him was really dumb. I can think of a dozen other ways that would actually make sense. Like throw a table at the back of his head with wind. If that doesn't seem cool, suffocate him with artificial clouds.

@nassergrant19 said:

@jaakor said:

@killianduclark: seems like Vulcan was sent back as a shell, Brand did note that he was only using his surface abilities

But yes

Storm overpowering him physically, was absolutely stupid, and even worse matching his energy manipulation

Yeah I recall Vulcan even states this

He’s still at normal levels just not at his absolute

....I mean

Vulcan. Storm only fought the shell of him...

Bump

Remove me from the tags please

Thought you were interested in 616 Storm stuff but ok…I guess

@nassergrant19: it's not that am not interested but on comic vine there's a certain biased against Storm and everything she does so it's kinda useless even trying to argue with people when it comes to her. So let me have my peace ✌️

LOL Seriously?

Al Ewing, Storm and Abigail Brand couldn't have explained it any better than they already did. Storm beat Vulcan fair and square. She beat him, because she's simply more skilled than he is. Since that issue came out I've spoken with many Other actual Fans of Vulcan and they are fine with the outcome. It just sounds like a small group of people are just salty.

Rematch?:

-If, Vulcan can humble himself and train more then we'd have a better fight on our hands and he'd could potentially win.

@godlyshinigami: While we're at it Scarlet Wiccan is dieing for that Invisible Woman Vs Magneto CAV

Oh ok understandable.👍

@mooty_pass: It's useless on Comic Vine to even argue with people's opinions on Storm because according to them everything she does is either a outlier or plot.

You guys do realise there was already context for this feat mentioned in the issue it happens, right? I'm shocked no one seems to mention it.

Why are you shocked? I've already mentioned the Context.

Yeah, you right.

Thank God Al Ewing is writing Storm. It's about to get even better. Can't wait to watch the PIS and Outlier cry babies here in Comicvine :-)

@mooty_pass: Exactly I be waiting with my pop corn because their reactions are too good

@purplehairedni1: Already explained months ago that I have no interest in debating.

I don't recall that at all by your post. I'm not sure beating the "shell" of a character is supposed to be quantifiable or not, especially given what we already know.

Well...

The issue gave two explanations

-Brand said that Storm is an Omega that has Honed her full power with training which is understandable (though it's a cop out, lack of training didn't stop him from draining Adam warlock or countless other energy manipulators)

-Vulcan claimed to be a shell (which is not quite quantifiable... Since he came back he's caused a mushroom cloud explosion on the moon twice, claimed he could blow up the moon and absorbed/contained a planets worth energy without being overloaded)

I've asked this somewhere before, would Vulcan be better at Psionic energy manipulation than Jean/Exodus/proteus (nate grey&cable), the omegas for psionic energy, would he be better at electromagnetic energy manipulation than storm and magneto, the omegas for that form of energy. And the response then was, technically he should, but since they have better skills and showings than him, we should probably not assume he would be better.

So I guess what happened is in line with that, Vulcan should be better than storm at lightning and energy manipulation, just based on him omega potential for energy manipulation. But storm is an energy manipulator with far more experience and skill than him which led to her out skilling and overwhelming him. Plus as was said, hes currently a broken shell, so maybe he's not performing at War of Kings levels.

Some may say, how did she overload him, when he's contained a planets worth of ionosphere energy recently. Well, storm also channels planetary levels of energy and manipulates them too. To me it seems that Vulcan didn't have any issue draining her or containing the energy, but she was also taking it back, specifically agitating it in a way that would imbalance him and sending it back. Which is just my interpretation anyway (it wasn't about his capacity, it was about skill)

I guess it's kind of a Quentin quire situation (though not as extremely bad as quentin), where he has omega potential and some high level feats, but other skilled telepaths like Emma and the cuckoos still wash him.

Storm shouldn't be getting this much backlash, but a lot of writers have used her as a lighting spamming background character who doesn't do much and haven't fleshed put her powers for a while, so her outskilling an omega energy manipulator might seem out of nowhere to someone who hasn't dug deep into storm feats, and would just seem like Vulcan jobbing

Honestly I'm not a fan of the way Vulcan's been portrayed in X-Men red. He honestly should've beat storm without too much problems, then again they did note that he wasn't at his best so maybe it makes sense?

Bump

I don't think people realize that this era is establishing Storm as an energy manipulator and an adept one. She's always been an energy manipulator it just presents as weather manipulation but we've seen her do things that can't be explained as weather.

Vulcan

Well, said @del_torro that was the BEST Explanation i've every seen. Too bad people fail to get that. The Only thing I will say is I do believe this is the one and only Vulcan from Before and After the War of Kings.

Vulcan = poopoo

Does anyone not named Hellion like that bratty boy enough to cope about him getting stomped by Storm

Storm has been fighting Omega level mutants everyday in the rings, and has held her position. Not even talking about past feats from long ago this is the current storyline.. Since the X of swords where she fought Death, she has been in survival mode. Vulcan was out of his league.

Vulcan is powerful, and their powers are similar, but Storm is just simply more skilled, and willing to do what she has to. In a contest of wills between Storm and most characters, they would have lost.

Since I see people actually giving Storm some credit on this site which is astounding, I'll just add onto it a bit.

Is Storm far superior in energy manipulation she should be dropping him every time? No. Is it rediculous that the untrained and unhinged omega energy manipulator lost the battle of will and control over energy against the woman that shapes and manipulates energy patterns across a city, country, contient to even planetary level multiple times with insane control? ...No?

Y'all know how much energy a hurricane has? 200 times the global electrical generating capacity, and in its lifetime expends the energy equivalent of 10,000 nuclear bombs. Storm has created and dissipated (the latter she explained being incredibly harder, all that energy needs to go somewhere and she can cause damage to the natural weather system which she avoids) far bigger and powerful storms than the average hurricane.

So the idea that Storm doesn't or couldn't have more finesse and control over energy is beyond me from what I've seen. With full training like Brand said yeah he'd obviously surpass her, but his inferior training, pretty equal power and surface level use of his power failed against pure willpower, finesse and mastery over energy manipulation.

He's also gone bonkers but hell I don't see much a difference from before, and pretending he's a fraction of what he was before is being ignorant to his current power level and what Brand/Ewing spells out for the readers. It's not that he's actually a shell of what he was, its that he doesn't use his powers to his full potential period. He's making super impressive energy constructs without knowing it, it couldn't be more clear it's about him not having the training to have full grasp of his power which I've seen stated multiple times is how he was before.

Idk, people can only act surprised so many times of her being written like she's on the list of Omegas with skills beyond "I'm gonna shoot you with lightning and if that doesn't work I'm worthless" before it starts getting silly.

The African Goddess step on this Opressor Euro-Descent Man, otherwise opinions will be regarded as a form of -ism.

Be careful you evil people.

Vulcan should've annihilated her and it reflects extremely poorly on Al Ewing that he didn't understand that or chose to ignore that fact.

PS: I don't even like Vulcan

@thequatum: the ONLY comment I'm gonna make on this that the story isn't over and there's ALOT more time to see it flesh out.

Vulcan.

While I get where you're coming from, nobody is saying this mess here. Don't know why you even bring it up. And while I would admit that the way Storm is written (in some areas) and how she's on 100% 24/7 do have a slight taste of blackgirlbossvirtuesignalling, Storm as a character and a powerhouse has been terribly utilized for decades. So I am totally fine with some light Marysue-ing if it means she's permanently written at the powerlevel she was supposed to be at for a long time.

That being said, I'm still waiting for them to add a bit more substance to her other then being da stonkest

@purplehairedni1: Period

@miguelcervantes: you Mad lol

Vulcan wins here. A weaker version of Vulcan already showed he can deal with her temperature Manipulation , her lightning gets redirected or absorbed and she gets taken out with a single blast

Nice... still doesn't change the context of their fight. Vulcan has better feats against Stronger opponents.

@godlyshinigami: Name them?

@godlyshinigami: List all his features and Storm's features and lets see if you're right in terms of power and making sense.