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Posted by kasya (423 posts) - - Show Bio

Storm only has access to Aerokinesis, Lightning, Thermal, and electromagnetism

The Telekinetics have no telepathy only tk

Round 1- Mr. Sinister

Round 2- Rachel Grey

Round 3- Invisible Woman

Round 4- Stryfe

Round 5- Exodus

Round 6- Psylocke

Round 7- Jean Grey

Round 8- X-man

Round- 9 Cable

Round 10- Maxima

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#1 Posted by kasya (423 posts) - - Show Bio

Give your thoughts :)

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#2 Posted by Koays (10981 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh boy...

....anyone else here droplets?
....anyone else here droplets?
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#3 Posted by kasya (423 posts) - - Show Bio
@koays said:

Oh boy...

....anyone else here droplets?
....anyone else here droplets?

What..... There is nothing wrong being a Storm as long as you don't take it to the fanboy level. :/

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#4 Posted by Koays (10981 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1- Mr. Sinister- Storm Slaughters do to know offensive feats

Round 2- Rachel Grey- Could go either way do to raw TK strength

Round 3- Invisible Woman- Sue if morals off/ Storm otherwise due to range

Round 4- Stryfe- Strong shields lack offensive TK feats, Storm wins majority

Round 5- Exodus- Exodus

Round 6- Psylocke- Storm in a curbstomp

Round 7- Jean Grey- Toss Up

Round 8- X-man- X-Man

Round- 9 Cable- At full power? Cable decimates

Round 10- Maxima- Ignoring durability? Storm can win

Of course, this is all ignoring the ridiculous amounts of PIS that usually occurs whenever Storm is in the same room as a telekinetic.

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#5 Edited by Koays (10981 posts) - - Show Bio

@kasya: Of course not. The comicvine Storm board just tend to carpool to threads together is all.

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#6 Posted by DarkRaiden (15466 posts) - - Show Bio

Gets to Jean (as she's beaten her TK before).

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#8 Posted by Roddy010 (6310 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1- Mr. Sinister- Storm wins if she is bloodlusted and willing to go for internal attacks.

Round 2- Rachel Grey- Storm for the majority mainly due to experience.

Round 3- Invisible Woman-Could go either way.

Round 4- Stryfe- Storm for the slight majority.

Round 5- Exodus- Exodus

Round 6- Psylocke- Storm in a stomp.

Round 7- Jean Grey- Storm takes the slight majority.

Round 8- X-man-X-man but not if he is at current power levels.

Round- 9 Cable-Storm takes the majority.

Round 10- Maxima- Storm

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#9 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6818 posts) - - Show Bio

Gets to Jean (as she's beaten her TK before).

When did that happen? She at most has strained Jean's tk when she (Storm) was cutting loose and Jean wasn't. Fact is under normal conditions Storm's attacks are not more powerful than Binary, and Jean actually trying can take her so I see no reason why she can't take Storm. It could go either way, but money is on Jean if both are not holding back.

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#10 Posted by DarkRaiden (15466 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

Gets to Jean (as she's beaten her TK before).

When did that happen? She at most has strained Jean's tk when she (Storm) was cutting loose and Jean wasn't. Fact is under normal conditions Storm's attacks are not more powerful than Binary, and Jean actually trying can take her so I see no reason why she can't take Storm. It could go either way, but money is on Jean if both are not holding back.

At least 2 times

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#11 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6818 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans said:
@darkraiden said:

Gets to Jean (as she's beaten her TK before).

When did that happen? She at most has strained Jean's tk when she (Storm) was cutting loose and Jean wasn't. Fact is under normal conditions Storm's attacks are not more powerful than Binary, and Jean actually trying can take her so I see no reason why she can't take Storm. It could go either way, but money is on Jean if both are not holding back.

At least 2 times

The two times you're talking about Storm did not get through Jean's tk. Her lightning onslaught did not breach Jean's shield. Her winds combined with Legions time vortex did not breach her tk anchor. So I'll ask again when did she use her powers to actually overpower Jean's tk?

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#12 Posted by DarkRaiden (15466 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:
@lordofallhumans said:
@darkraiden said:

Gets to Jean (as she's beaten her TK before).

When did that happen? She at most has strained Jean's tk when she (Storm) was cutting loose and Jean wasn't. Fact is under normal conditions Storm's attacks are not more powerful than Binary, and Jean actually trying can take her so I see no reason why she can't take Storm. It could go either way, but money is on Jean if both are not holding back.

At least 2 times

The two times you're talking about Storm did not get through Jean's tk. Her lightning onslaught did not breach Jean's shield. Her winds combined with Legions time vortex did not breach her tk anchor. So I'll ask again when did she use her powers to actually overpower Jean's tk?

Didn't she here?

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Plus she held her own against Sienna Blaze's powers so...

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#13 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6818 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans said:
@darkraiden said:
@lordofallhumans said:
@darkraiden said:

Gets to Jean (as she's beaten her TK before).

When did that happen? She at most has strained Jean's tk when she (Storm) was cutting loose and Jean wasn't. Fact is under normal conditions Storm's attacks are not more powerful than Binary, and Jean actually trying can take her so I see no reason why she can't take Storm. It could go either way, but money is on Jean if both are not holding back.

At least 2 times

The two times you're talking about Storm did not get through Jean's tk. Her lightning onslaught did not breach Jean's shield. Her winds combined with Legions time vortex did not breach her tk anchor. So I'll ask again when did she use her powers to actually overpower Jean's tk?

Didn't she here?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/808218-stormandjean41yc.jpg

Plus she held her own against Sienna Blaze's powers so...

That's not her overpowering Jean's tk, that's her making ice to make Jean slip and using wind to push her before she got a chance to use her tk which is why she mentioned the need for concentration. What is happening is actually explained in the dialogue.

She held her own against Sienna and Jean has held her own against and taken out a bloodlusted full power Binary who has power that dwarfs Miss Blaze by a considerable amount.

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#14 Posted by deactivated-59dfd33ed3601 (5575 posts) - - Show Bio

No way she is getting pass Maxima. Cable might just kill her.

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#15 Posted by DarkRaiden (15466 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:
@lordofallhumans said:
@darkraiden said:
@lordofallhumans said:
@darkraiden said:

Gets to Jean (as she's beaten her TK before).

When did that happen? She at most has strained Jean's tk when she (Storm) was cutting loose and Jean wasn't. Fact is under normal conditions Storm's attacks are not more powerful than Binary, and Jean actually trying can take her so I see no reason why she can't take Storm. It could go either way, but money is on Jean if both are not holding back.

At least 2 times

The two times you're talking about Storm did not get through Jean's tk. Her lightning onslaught did not breach Jean's shield. Her winds combined with Legions time vortex did not breach her tk anchor. So I'll ask again when did she use her powers to actually overpower Jean's tk?

Didn't she here?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/808218-stormandjean41yc.jpg

Plus she held her own against Sienna Blaze's powers so...

That's not her overpowering Jean's tk, that's her making ice to make Jean slip and using wind to push her before she got a chance to use her tk which is why she mentioned the need for concentration. What is happening is actually explained in the dialogue.

She held her own against Sienna and Jean has held her own against and taken out a bloodlusted full power Binary who has power that dwarfs Miss Blaze by a considerable amount.

I wouldn't say Binary dwarfs Blaze by that much. tbh.

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#16 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6818 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Warbird is a certified planet buster and Binary is her most powerful form. Blaze is not that powerful her powers cause damage that could potentially destroy the planet with continued reckless use not as a one time display of power.

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#17 Posted by DarkRaiden (15466 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Warbird is a certified planet buster and Binary is her most powerful form. Blaze is not that powerful her powers cause damage that could potentially destroy the planet with continued reckless use not as a one time display of power.

My point exactly. One's a planet buster, the other's a planet wrecker (supposedly she can split the planet in half in one shot). No one's dwarfing. She's stronger, but not dwarfing.

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#18 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6818 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Blaze has not shown the output to split the planet she causes destructive atmospheric patterns, because she lacks any real skill and just rips the EM field of the planet. Binarys real display of power dwarfs Blaze displays.

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#19 Posted by ssj_god (16749 posts) - - Show Bio

if it's a gauntlet... then it's out of order......

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#21 Posted by darklord_apoc (2184 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:

Round 1- Mr. Sinister- Storm Slaughters do to know offensive feats

Round 2- Rachel Grey-

Could go either way do to raw TK strength

Round 3- Invisible Woman-

Sue if morals off/ Storm otherwise due to range

Round 4- Stryfe- Strong shields lack offensive TK feats, Storm wins majority

Round 5- Exodus- Exodus

Round 6- Psylocke- Storm in a curbstomp

Round 7- Jean Grey-

Toss Up

Round 8- X-man- X-Man

Round- 9 Cable- At full power? Cable decimates

Round 10- Maxima-

Ignoring durability? Storm can win

Of course, this is all ignoring the ridiculous amounts of PIS that usually occurs whenever Storm is in the same room as a telekinetic.

Storm does not slaughter, in fact she loses to Sinister even without is tp, like what can she do to him?

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#22 Posted by Koays (10981 posts) - - Show Bio

@darklord_apoc: I answered under the interpretation that he was limited just to his TK, which he has almost zero feats in aside from sheilds to say he can do anything other then get bombarded I until he drops.

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#23 Posted by Mooty_Pass (9830 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010 said:

Round 1- Mr. Sinister- Storm wins if she is bloodlusted and willing to go for internal attacks.

Round 2- Rachel Grey- Storm for the majority mainly due to experience.

Round 3- Invisible Woman-Could go either way.

Round 4- Stryfe- Storm for the slight majority.

Round 5- Exodus- Exodus

Round 6- Psylocke- Storm in a stomp.

Round 7- Jean Grey- Storm takes the slight majority.

Round 8- X-man-X-man but not if he is at current power levels.

Round- 9 Cable-Storm takes the majority.

Round 10- Maxima- Storm

This IS pretty accurate.

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#24 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4461 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays:

Round 1- Mr. Sinister- Storm Slaughters do to know offensive feats

Round 2- Rachel Grey- Could go either way do to raw TK strength

Round 3- Invisible Woman- Sue if morals off/ Storm otherwise due to range

Round 4- Stryfe- Strong shields lack offensive TK feats, Storm wins majority

Round 5- Exodus- Exodus

Round 6- Psylocke- Storm in a curbstomp

Round 7- Jean Grey- Toss Up

Round 8- X-man- X-Man

Round- 9 Cable- At full power? Cable decimates

Round 10- Maxima- Ignoring durability? Storm can win
Of course, this is all ignoring the ridiculous amounts of PIS that usually occurs whenever Storm is in the same room as a telekinetic.
Yes. This exactly. Maxima is by far the most durable person here. By a mile. Nobody that's tanked multiple hits to the face from freaking Doomsday is going to be stopped by some bad weather. It's laughable to suggest otherwise.Not to mention she could just teleport Storm to the surface of Venus. Let's see her weather bend that atmosphere (lol)!!!;P
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#25 Posted by Dernman (25908 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:

Oh boy...

....anyone else here droplets?
....anyone else here droplets?

PISdrops
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#26 Posted by Roddy010 (6310 posts) - - Show Bio

@heraldofganthet: Stop underestimating Storm's abilities when you clearly have limited knowledge on their potency. Being hit by Doomsday does not equate Maxima tanking the forms of attacks Storm can dish out (which are all mostly energy based anyway). Baroness, who was completely immune to Storm's powers, still found herself victim to a flash freeze. So I wouldn't deny her ability to harm Maxima.

Also on a side note, Venus has atmosphere hence Storm should/could manipulate it. Since it is her powerset to manipulate atmospheres. Smh.

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#27 Edited by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

Technically, if the TK'ers are willing and have the control to do it, all of them could kill her by ripping out her internal organs and the only thing Storm could really do would be to KO or kill them before that happened.

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#28 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4461 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010:

Stop underestimating Storm's abilities when you clearly have limited knowledge on their potency. Being hit by Doomsday does not equate Maxima tanking the forms of attacks Storm can dish out (which are all mostly energy based anyway). Baroness, who was completely immune to Storm's powers, still found herself victim to a flash freeze. So I wouldn't deny her ability to harm Maxima.

I am fully aware of Storm's powers and her versatility therein. She will do nothing to someone who has punched Superman so hard that she made him dizzy, kept pace with him in a combat situation via pure acceleration, and was so durable Superman literally searched her body with X-Ray vision just to find a weak spot. Seriously. Flash freezing will be useless to her as she could simply muscle out of, teleport out of, or TK blast right out of it.

If she didn't just speedblitz in from the get go and splatter Storm like a water balloon before she could even think...

Also on a side note, Venus has atmosphere hence Storm should/could manipulate it. Since it is her powerset to manipulate atmospheres. Smh.

It certainly does. It's primarily made out of sulfuric and hydrochloric acid(s). Any idea what happens to the very human level of durabilityStorm's flesh, hair follicles, and skeleton represent in that environment? On a planetary scale?! Nothing good I'd wager. And Maxima can zap her there just as fast or actually faster than Storm can fire off her useless lightning bolts (considering the fact that the Princess of Almerac has actual superhuman reaction time).

Again, that's if and ONLY if Maxima doesn't just flatten all of her arteries telekinetically with her arms crossed OR blitz pluck her head off of her very shapely shoulders.

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#29 Posted by Koays (10981 posts) - - Show Bio

OP should really just limit this to TK abilities since a good number of these characters have abilities that they use far more and are more intrinsic to their characters then telekinesis.

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#30 Posted by darklord_apoc (2184 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:

@darklord_apoc: I answered under the interpretation that he was limited just to his TK, which he has almost zero feats in aside from sheilds to say he can do anything other then get bombarded I until he drops.

I still don't see how she would take him out when he has had his head cut all the way off and kept fighting, and this was in the recent secret wars arc with Dr. Doom.... He still has his strength... He didn't need TP or TK to win his opponent in Secret Wars, I forgot his name, but he was one of the Braddock brothers, and he knocked Sinisters head off, and Sinister played dead and attacked him from behind, why cant he do the same to Storm?

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#31 Posted by darklord_apoc (2184 posts) - - Show Bio

She surely gets stomped by Cable just with his TK alone, he has tangled with Hulk (controlled by Onslaught) and Silver Surfer, while he was holding up an island when he was fighting Surfer, not to mention he still had to use his tk to hold the TOV at bay from killing him.... She also loses to Stryfe, who has been able to ragdoll Cable and Nate Grey before....

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#32 Posted by Koays (10981 posts) - - Show Bio

@darklord_apoc: Because Standard sinister can be incapacitated. Even if he has an out for being killed his body and bones can be fried or broken to the point of being unuseable. Keep in mind Storm is very aware of Sinister's survival abilities. She was present for his first "death" when Cyclops obliterated him, and his last "death" where he just had a bunch of clones to transfer his mind into. She's just gonna break through his sheild and thoroughly own him if he doesn't have his additional abilities.

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#33 Posted by Malachi_Munroe (3795 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: maxima? As in DC comics super crazed maxima? ...that woman has planet busting tk ...

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#35 Edited by Malachi_Munroe (3795 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: she held her planet toger via tk and was churning out so much energy captain atom would've leaped through time ...

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#37 Posted by Roddy010 (6310 posts) - - Show Bio

heraldofganthet:

I am fully aware of Storm's powers and her versatility therein. She will do nothing to someone who has punched Superman so hard that she made him dizzy, kept pace with him in a combat situation via pure acceleration, and was so durable Superman literally searched her body with X-Ray vision just to find a weak spot. Seriously. Flash freezing will be useless to her as she could simply muscle out of, teleport out of, or TK blast right out of it. If she didn't just speedblitz in from the get go and splatter Storm like a water balloon before she could even think...

I don't see how any of this is relevant in a fight where she is limited only to her TK. Once again Storm's abilities are energy based (Not blunt force like Superman's attacks) and have effected foes with 100 ton durability. So she could potentially effect Maxima as well.

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It certainly does. It's primarily made out of sulfuric and hydrochloric acid(s). Any idea what happens to the very human level of durabilityStorm's flesh, hair follicles, and skeleton represent in that environment? On a planetary scale?! Nothing good I'd wager.

Didn't know Maxima's TK was this refined to where she could BFR people to other planets. Storm is immune to radiation poisoning. She would more likely die from lack of oxygen before she would even be remotely bothered by those conditions. Nice try though.

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And Maxima can zap her there just as fast or actually faster than Storm can fire off her useless lightning bolts (considering the fact that the Princess of Almerac has actual superhuman reaction time).

Storm has tagged Rogue, Quicksilver and Baroness before they could react and they all have superhuman reaction time so this point is moot as well. I don't see Maxima dodging AoE attacks before they are set off, unless she has a sufficient TK shield.

She surely gets stomped by Cable just with his TK alone, he has tangled with Hulk (controlled by Onslaught) and Silver Surfer, while he was holding up an island when he was fighting Surfer, not to mention he still had to use his tk to hold the TOV at bay from killing him.... She also loses to Stryfe, who has been able to ragdoll Cable and Nate Grey before....

Cable needed Storm's help in that instance against Hulk and as of late he is still vulnerable to her lightning so......

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#38 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4461 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010:

It certainly does. It's primarily made out of sulfuric and hydrochloric acid(s). Any idea what happens to the very human level of durabilityStorm's flesh, hair follicles, and skeleton represent in that environment? On a planetary scale?! Nothing good I'd wager.

Didn't know Maxima's TK was this refined to where she could BFR people to other planets.

Now you know. Glad to help where I can!

Storm is immune to radiation poisoning. She would more likely die from lack of oxygen before she would even be remotely bothered by those conditions. Nice try though.

What's important to remember is the fact that I didn't say one word about radiation in my original posting. For one thing Venus lacks a magnetic field, and since there has never been mining done on the Venusian surface, we don't yet know if uranium exists there. With that out of the way, I will rephrase for you and everyone else on this thread what I asked earlier:

  • "What happens to Storm when her flesh, hair follicles, and skeleton are instantly exposed to surface temperatures of 860 degrees?"
  • "What happens to Storm when her flesh (which would include her lungs), hair follicles, and skeleton are exposed to an entire atmosphere composed of carbon dioxide, sulfuric acid, hydrocloric acid, and methane. She has the exact same durability that you do to such substances. Let me say that again: Storm is a glass cannon and as such has the exact same resistance to such substances that @roddy010 does. Ororo's uniform being essentially a glorified one piece swimsuit certainly won't help her much in that regard. She's dead in seconds is the correct answer."
  • Storm is neither Iron Man, Steel, nor War Machine. Her costume is neither a powered exoskeleton nor is it scuba gear and as such, she would be in serious trouble in 92 times sea level's atmospheric pressure here on Earth. Now imagine her being teleported to an extra-terrestrial environment where it's that way anywhere on the planet's surface in microseconds without a hyperbaric chamber anywhere in sight. While I'm on the subject of sight...
  • The Venusian surface is in perpetual darkness as it has been for millions of years. For the split second before her death, Storm will be simultaneously:
  1. Disoriented from the teleportation,
  2. Choking on (and subsequently melting within) the acid atmosphere,
  3. Be completely blind, and...
  4. Be crushed by the tremendous weight of the very atmosphere all around her.

Or Maxima could simply cross her arms and telekinetically rip her head off her shoulders or pop her heart like a balloon from whatever the starting distance of this "battle" is. Because Storm VS Maxima is no battle at all since over and above her insane physical durability, she can further shield herself via TK shielding. By the way, unless Quicksilver has gotten a tremendous boost recently, his wet dreams are being able to move at Maxima's cruising speeds, let alone the top of her speed range.

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#39 Edited by Roddy010 (6310 posts) - - Show Bio

@heraldofganthet:

Now you know. Glad to help where I can!

Yes thank you very much. I was able to find out that Maxima is very conservative with this ability and rarely uses it in a combat situation. The only time I've found she's done this was her servant Sazu and though this ability is vast in it's range you have no proof that she would pull this off bat or before Storm attacks.

What's important to remember is the fact that I didn't say one word about radiation in my original posting. For one thing Venus lacks a magnetic field, and since there has never been mining done on the Venusian surface, we don't yet know if uranium exists there. With that out of the way, I will rephrase for you and everyone else on this thread what I asked earlier

There's no need to rephrase. I know exactly what you stated and my reply still stands and contradicts your statements. I also already answered you pretentious questioned. If a human were exposed to those conditions they would die acute radiation syndrome aka radiation poisoning. Which she is immune to due to her powers. Based on your condescending tone, I take it you didn't even read the scans. Storm separated the ozone layer as well as a magnetic field which protects the Earth from the Sun's harmful radiant heat. (Virtually creating the same atmosphere as Venus) This heat was enough to completely vaporize a tsunami before it could reach the San Fransico Bridge and Storm stood right in the middle of it.

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Her ability to adapt to alien environments as well as her deep connection to biospheres allows her to survive most conditions humans would not.( I.e. the edge of space) her powers would protect. As I stated before she would likely die from lack of oxygen, before the environment would effect her.

Or Maxima could simply cross her arms and telekinetically rip her head off her shoulders or pop her heart like a balloon from whatever the starting distance of this "battle" is.

Or Storm could just end the battle like this.

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#40 Edited by HeraldofGanthet (4461 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010:

Now you know. Glad to help where I can!

Yes thank you very much. I was able to find out that Maxima is very conservative with this ability and rarely uses it in a combat situation. The only time I've found she's done this was her servant Sazu and though this ability is vast in it's range you have no proof that she would pull this off bat or before Storm attacks.

I stated she possesses this ability to showcase one of several options open to her, especially if she was aware of the nerf placed upon her telepathic powers by the OP at the onset of entering this match-up. She still possesses her "keep pace with Superman, Captain Atom, and Wonder Woman"-level speed. She still possesses her " make Superman cheat by using his X-ray vision" level strength and physical durability. She still has her incredibly powerful force fields on top of her already insane durability which protects her from even further damage, energy based or otherwise. She has been hit with cosmic energy blasts from beings as powerful as Starbreaker and lived to tell about it. Lightning won't be noticed, but if you'd prefer to not take my word for it I'll tag in @xiix to tell you more about Starbreaker. Moreover, Maxima is known all across the DCU as a warrior with little patience or regard for the lives of anyone who even pretends to be an obstacle to her. 'Porting Storm to an alien planet is the least she could do to her if she attacked the Princess of Almerac.

What's important to remember is the fact that I didn't say one word about radiation in my original posting. For one thing Venus lacks a magnetic field, and since there has never been mining done on the Venusian surface, we don't yet know if uranium exists there. With that out of the way, I will rephrase for you and everyone else on this thread what I asked earlier

There's no need to rephrase. I know exactly what you stated and my reply still stands and contradicts your statements. I also already answered you pretentious questioned. If a human were exposed to those conditions they would die acute radiation syndrome aka radiation poisoning.

The conditions in question of any object on the Venusian surface would render radiation poisoning irrelevant. Venus lacks a magnetic field (see nasa.gov). It's crust may or may not contain uranium or any other radioactive elements. Radiation poisoning is the least of any one's problems in that environment. What would be and are the problems for anyone/thing on the Venusian surface are:

  1. Surface pressures equal to 92 atmospheres. The equivalent of being over 3000 feet below sea level. Storm's body does not have the superhuman durability to survive such pressures.
  2. Surface temperatures of at least 800 degrees Fahrenheit. Storm and anyone with her normal human level durability introduced to such an environment on a microseconds notice via teleportation would be immediately killed due to tissue damage, the lungs and other internal organs actually cooking inside the body of the victim, and the shock to the central nervous system such an immediate paradigm shift would create.
  3. There is a microscopic amount of oxygen in the Venusian atmosphere at the surface. The majority of its atmosphere is composed of carbon dioxide (which is toxic, and thus the reason why we exhale it to rid our bodies of it multiple times a day), sulfuric acid (which destroys flesh, bone, and most metals), and both hydrochloric and hydrofluoric acids (ditto). Human bodies are destroyed when submerged in such substances, even more so at the constant 400+ degree temperatures these substances exist in at all times on Venus. Storm is not Diablo, and as such is unable to transmute these substances into harmless elements that won't kill her soon after contact.

Which she is immune to due to her powers.

If you say so. I've never heard of her being immune to radiation, but as I said that would be the least of her problems as she melts like a wax figure in the Arizona desert within a battery acid atmosphere.

Based on your condescending tone, I take it you didn't even read the scans. Storm separated the ozone layer as well as a magnetic field which protects the Earth from the Sun's harmful radiant heat.

Venus does not possess an Ozone layer. Venus does not possess a magnetic field. Venus does not possess the substances necessary to facilitate an atmosphere humans can breathe in or survive in, nor does it possess them in a high enough concentration to make that tactic a viable option. This underlined tactic above that she utilized here on Earth will be completely useless on Venus. Unless she's all of a sudden Diablo, Captain Atom, Firestorm, the Silver Surfer, or anyone else who can transmute elements...

(Virtually creating the same atmosphere as Venus)

Absolutely nothing about the Earth's atmosphere (even under the altered conditions you've outlined) resembles Venus' atmosphere. The Earth's atmosphere is not composed of either metal dissolving acids nor poisonous gasses, and it is at no times over 400-800 degrees Fahrenheit.

This heat was enough to completely vaporize a tsunami before it could reach the San Fransico Bridge and Storm stood right in the middle of it.

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Her ability to adapt to alien environments as well as her deep connection to biospheres allows her to survive most conditions humans would not.( I.e. the edge of space) her powers would protect. As I stated before she would likely die from lack of oxygen, before the environment would effect her.

Good for her. Now show me a scan of her drinking HCL or H2SO4 through a straw like a Mountain Dew and I'll gladly concede every point I've made thus far. Now imagine her being surrounded on all possible sides by the stuff as it dissolves her like CLR dissolves limescale in your bathroom tub.

Or Maxima could simply cross her arms and telekinetically rip her head off her shoulders or pop her heart like a balloon from whatever the starting distance of this "battle" is.

Or Storm could just end the battle like this.

Mr. Sinister is an arrogant prick who relies on his regenerative durability to overcome attacks. Hitting him (physically) is like punching Play-Doh. Maxima has actual resistant superhuman durability (meaning bullets actually bounce off of her) in addition to her force fields. She will laugh off Storm's attacks, kill her effortlessly, and do so at nearly FTL speeds. Which for Maxima is well within her character by the way...

@god_spawn and @saren, am I missing something in my analysis? What if anything allows Storm to present anything close to a threat to Maxima? I am open to any information you all may have and if you present a compelling argument on this issue, I will gladly (and with intellectual honestly) reverse all of the position(s) I've presented thus far within this thread.

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#41 Posted by kasya (423 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont think the temperature of Venus would harm Storm as well as the pressure. We seen her strike with lightning which is much hotter, and the temperatures don't really bother her then again her powers have to apart to Venus. Storm has generated air pressures larger than Jupiter and withstood them with ease and the pressure of the ocean.

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#42 Posted by Roddy010 (6310 posts) - - Show Bio

@heraldofganthet: Most if not all of that novel of a post is completely irrelevant to this thread and calling out other users because you can't keep your case together doesn't strengthen it. Even though you consistently ignore my case, it still stands.

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#43 Edited by HeraldofGanthet (4461 posts) - - Show Bio

@kasya:

I dont think the temperature of Venus would harm Storm as well as the pressure. We seen her strike with lightning which is much hotter, and the temperatures don't really bother her

Agreed. Plenty of people going back to prehistoric times have been struck by lightning. Many have even been fortunate enough to survive the experience. It stands to reason though, that a momentary blast of electrical energy that's as hot as lightning can get would be quite different than the constant 24 hour 400+ degree temperatures one would be exposed to without a spacesuit on the Venusian surface. Metaphorically, the lightning would be like quickly touching the stove, being on the surface of Venus would be akin to actually climbing into the oven an sitting in there "Indian-style".

Two totally different sensations/experiences, IMO...

then again her powers have to apart to Venus. Storm has generated air pressures larger than Jupiter and withstood them with ease and the pressure of the ocean.

Even if she could withstand the surface pressure, having to exist within an 800 degree atmosphere made almost entirely out of battery acid can't be good for her complexion, respiration, internal organs, or skeletal structure, dont'cha think?

@roddy010:

Most if not all of that novel of a post

Hmm. I think this is so far the one point we fully agree on. My last posting was a bit "novel-esque", but in all fairness, its length was in direct response to postings you had made. You raised several points, and I simply responded to them individually, thus its length.

is completely irrelevant to this thread

Untrue. Explaining to you (and others) what I felt to be flaws in your argument(s) by highlighting one characters strengths and their ability to completely neutralize the others best attempts at offense are why Comicvine.com's Battle Thread exists in the first place. To do anything else here would be trolling, which I'm sure is against the rules (but don't quote me on that, since I'm not a Mod;)!

and calling out other users because you can't keep your case together doesn't strengthen it.

You misunderstand my reasoning. I asked this website's impartial arbitrators (the Mods) to take a look at not only my postings here, but yours and everyone else's to see if there was something I missed en route to my conclusion(s). My case was well made. I even suggested that you look into NASA's data on the battlefield in question to see if Ororo Munroe, a Mutant with physical durability on par with J. Jonah Jameson could survive on a planet slightly smaller than Earth with an atmosphere that's nearly 1000 degrees Fahrenheit composed of nothing but caustic chemicals. That is quite strong from where I stand, but you choose to disagree and in this free country that is well within your rights to do.

Even though you consistently ignore my case, it still stands.

As does mine, but you should understand that I have ignored nothing you've said thus far. Hence the "novel-esque" previous posting you correctly mentioned earlier. Even if Maxima couldn't erect force fields to protect herself from Storm's incoming energy attacks, muscle out of, TK blast out of, or teleport out of a flash freeze, she'd still be fast enough on foot or by flight to hit Storm and kill her via ballistic impact from either a single punch or kick or even a headbutt. Or she could use a tiny fraction of her TK to twist Storm's head backwards like a bottlecap.

Not that it would ever even come to that considering she'd never get past Exodus in the first place. He's almost as ruthless as Maxima is and they (Exodus, Storm and the other X-characters) have a bitter history he'd gladly exploit in this gauntlet.

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#44 Posted by Jestersmiles (9826 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh god here come the storm fans.........

The only fanbase that even worst than Naruto's and Star war's fanbase combined.

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#45 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4461 posts) - - Show Bio

@jestersmiles:

Oh god here come the storm fans.........

The only fanbase that even worst than Naruto's and Star war's fanbase combined.

First of all, as an old school KOF fan I love your avatar! Secondly, I must ask:

"What do you think of my analysis thus far"? I'd really like to know.

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#46 Posted by Jestersmiles (9826 posts) - - Show Bio

@jestersmiles:

Oh god here come the storm fans.........

The only fanbase that even worst than Naruto's and Star war's fanbase combined.

First of all, as an old school KOF fan I love your avatar! Secondly, I must ask:

"What do you think of my analysis thus far"? I'd really like to know.

Having read it , I say you covered your points very well while countering your opponents at the same time. I agree Storm not beating someone like Maxima even given the OP restrictions.

and as a fellow KoF fan I leave this here

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#47 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4461 posts) - - Show Bio

@jestersmiles:

Ah, yes... That was a refreshing throwback, right there. You have earned a "Follow" for that one!

Thank you for your kind words as well, mon ami!

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#48 Posted by Jestersmiles (9826 posts) - - Show Bio
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#49 Posted by kasya (423 posts) - - Show Bio

@heraldofganthet: Quick question Storm has been by stars before and used them for powers and the heat or anything didn't affect her? So why would acid do anything to her and does it she toys with gases and acid too with her powers?

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#50 Edited by Roddy010 (6310 posts) - - Show Bio

@heraldofganthet: Smh Keep digging yourself an even deeper grave. Your contemptible display of persistence is about as moot as the points you are trying to make. You are clearly off basis of what Storm is capable of and how her powers work, but yet you ignore anything presented to you because it contradicts your case. Lol You can't hide behind sassy tones and "wit".

  1. Storm can/has effected multiple 100 tonners with her powers (i.e. Juggernaut, Colussus, Hulk) so I don't see Maxima being any different. Just because she tanked an unquantified form of energy from Starbreaker doesn't mean she's invulnerable to other forms of energy. Hell, Superman and Wonder Woman, who both possess the same durability as Maxima, have been effected by electrical attacks on separate occasions. Unless you can provide some actual proof of her resisting this form of attack, I'm inclined to believe she would suffer the same fate.
  2. No matter how many times you pompously break it down or define it. The sensations you are describing are placed in an umbrella term called Acute Radiation Syndrome. If someone were exposed to that type of environment, the effects would take place in a matter of seconds. But you are correct in that the heat would have incinerated them before this takes place. Storm however does not have this weakness since her powers naturally protect her from these conditions. As far as heat and pressure are conscerned, she was able to counter the decompression within a space station all while producing enough electrical energy to power said space station. A great showing of her extreme heat resistance since it would have been thousands of degrees in the room. But if you need more proof....

Pressure

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Unaided she dives into the ocean floor. Remember the deeper you go under the sea, the greater the pressure of the water pushing down on you. For every 33 feet (10.06 meters) you go down, the pressure increases by 14.5 psi (1 atmosphere)
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Creates Pressure higher than that of Jupiter and strains Rachel's TK

Heat

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Tanks igniting hydrogen
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Channeling prolonged lightning strikes

But honestly the scans of her bathing in unfiltered sunlight (hot enough to vaporize a tsunami) should have ended this argument. Case in point Storm will not be effected by these conditions like any regular human. Because no human has a connection to the biosphere like Storm does hence they will not be protected from these harsh conditions. So my point still stands in regards to her dying from lack of oxygen before succumbing to the extremes of Venus. Which won't matter anyway since you have no proof Maxima can do this to someone other than her powerless servants.

3. You seriously misinterpret Sinister's durability just to make a case? His cellular manipulation allows him superhuman strength and resistance to damage, in the same fashion as Maxima using her tactile TK. He's has tanked both blunt force, energy damage and has enough strength to break out of Iceman's flash freeze. Yet Storm was able to end him with an internal attack the same way she could end Maxima.

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4. Telekinesis is just another form of energy, in this case psionic energy. Just like any other telekinetic, Maxima uses her power they are releasing that energy to effect matter or other forms of energy. However, Energy can be disrupted by other forces such as wind (kinetic energy) and lightning (Electromagnetic energy). Her lightning has successfully scrambled both TK and TP. So it won't be as easy for Maxima as you may think. Storm has dealt with many tk users over the course of her career and she has built a solid strategy against them by forcing all their power on the defense.

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Passively strains Jean Grey's tk shields with wind and lightning
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Scrambles Rachel Grey's tp and strains her tk to the limit
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Counters and best Candra, whose tk is on the same level as Jean Grey (molecular lvl)

Notice how Storm walks up to her and KHTFO without even a scratch from tk.

Nullifies Betsy's mountain crushing tk that not even Rachel could stand against.
Nullifies Betsy's mountain crushing tk that not even Rachel could stand against.

You also keep forgetting that Storm manipulates the elements and the forces behind them on a sub-atomic level. There is nothing stopping her from increasing the pressure in Maxima's inner ear, while tagging her with omnidirectional bolts. She could also flash freezing her down to the bone marrow. Storm could even hit her with a precise lightning bolt to short circuit her synapses causing paralysis. (which she has done to Hulk twice) She's capable of all of this and more.