@butterflykyss: You are saying her powers have no limit, so how can her attacks ever be tanked? If they contain infinite amounts of power then she shouldn't have any issues one-shotting the Living Tribunal, right? That's just according to your flawless logic. The burden of proof is on YOU to prove she can emit absolute zero temperatures. 2 of the 3 examples you posted showed him being frozen by absolute zero temperatures. One of them LITERALLY says so if you bothered to read Tony's dialogue. Here's the rest of the scans of Blizzard using absolute zero temperatures and failing to kill or incap Iron Man:
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Read the words this time. Absolute zero.
The first image you posted is, once again, Blizzard. The same guy who I proved completely freezes molecules and is capable of emitting absolute zero temperatures. Storm has never been shown the ability to emit temperatures this cold before, so if absolute zero cannot stop him then what chance does Storm have? Oh right, she'll use her shitty lightning which has been tanked and no-sold in the past. Iron Man totally can't absorb it.
You know how a mutant is defined as an omega level mutant right? Ororo can be beaten just not by Iron Man. The fact that he can be frozen and at absolute zero further makes him inconsequential against ororo. Based upon your statement about the living tribunal indicates you dint understand the classification of what her being an omega mutant means. Also do you know what absolute zero is? It's the lowest possible temperature:
Being an omega mutant means in terms of her powerset she has no limit and that includes cold temperatures. And please never say what storm hasnt been shown to do you were just debunked.
@noone1996: Haha she is an omega which by definition means her powers dont have limits. stop lowballing. and to y himself said that regular electricity was going to overload his system. so this myth he is immune to the elements is false.
false. you can't assume that just because she is an omega, we still rely on feats. Otherwise I can say Quentin Quire can mind control the whole planet or solar system or galaxy including Storm because he is an omega and his telepathy doesn't have limits or that jamie braddock or franklin can reality warp the entire multiverse because they are omega
and then "you stated that she cant achieve absolute zero temperatures but if that were the case she wouldnt be an omega mutant." but Iceman is the omega for "Negative Temperature Manipulation" so you can't assume storm can achieve absolute zero by virtue of being an omega because there is an omega specifically for that power
Absolute zero is a limit my friend and by definition iceman would be able to go beyond that. Moreover, weather includes cold so as an omega level weather manipulator there wiuldnt be a limitation to her ability in this regard.
Oh look, WITB 's alt account replied again with his scumbag attitude. Are you back from spamming threats and p*rn in everyone's DMs ? Gonna have a field day with this.
"extreme intensity means different things to different people."
Literally just STFU. You're constantly finding straws in every single dialogue to make an argument for yourself. Iron Man asked Thor to fire lightning at his extreme intensity which is what Thor did, stop trying to twist a dialogue again and again, its embarrassing and its not working for you.
There's no reason or evidence why would Thor not use his full force lightning when Iron Man literally asked him to do so. If he didn't, then give show me Thor stating that he didn't use his full force lightning. Just coz you make up some random bs on the spot, doesn't mean its true.
Thor is using extreme intensity lightning here coz Iron Man asked him to do so which Thor did, unless you have any evidence to prove otherwise this is a FACT, period.
"show me where he had odinpower as the fight itself"
Have you even read that comic ? Coz you're lacking context just like every single time you try to make an argument, Thor did have odin force in that fight. Read the fkn comic.
"where nothing was mentioned about how hard he was hitting? he didnt appear to be putting anything into those strikes."
If anything Iron Man wasn't putting anything in HIS strikes. Thor was mind controlled, he can't hold back while being controlled.
"i dont need to"
I can accuse you of r*pe and then go "I don't need evidence". If you don't have evidence then it doesn't mean shit, move tf on.
"ironman never tanked any hit from ulik anyway."
Were you dropped as a child or just you can't see the scans ? Iron Man literally no sold any attack Ulik used on him
And then made him cry in pain -
"I believe he didnt tank a hit from worthy grey gargoyle"
Well just like always you're wrong. He did. Do you even read comics or you just google shit up ?
Iron Man was also unaffected by Worthy Gargoyle's stare which was turning everyone into statues -
"on the contrary, he was massively afraid of grey gargoyle hitting him."
Literally when ? If anything Iron Man severly injured Worthy Gargoyle -
"this is pure nonsensical rubbish"
This is facts, everything I just mentioned has happened in the comics. Everything YOU say is rubbish.
"millisecond striking speed?"
Yep -
"the scan you put of these "light speed brain functions" literally mentioned only his supercomputer having light speeds while his brain itself has regular human speeds..."
No, it mentioned that most of his brain functions at light speed while only his thought process is human level. Stop wasting your time on sending threats and p*rn in everyone's DMs and learn to read -
"nearly killed juggernaut"? Where was this
Here -
""manhandled red hulk"? I've seen that fight. It said ironman was literally going all out yet couldnt do anything to red hulk."
"It" said ? Who "it" ? Literally no one said that. You're just making shit up like you always do. And no, Iron Man wasn't even going all out.
"where did he beat wonderman?"
Here -
"tanked odins forge"
Yep
"how is that "tanking" anything? He did nothing but dip his armor in some molten uru. that isnt a feat."
Surviving Odin's Forge with such ease IS a feat if you know anything about Odin which you probably don't so.......
"Ulik failing to do anything notable to thor despite repeated strikes and getting one shotted by a hammer smack. Ulik is not impressive."
The scans show otherwise -
"his computer functions at light speed."
No, his brain functions at light speed while his though process functions at human speed. Your illiterate a$$ doesn't know how to read basic things. As I said, stop wasting your time on sending threats and p*rn in everyone's DMs and learn to read -
"In his fight with mallen he was already moving to dodge the lightning BEFORE it was fired. that is aim dodging."
Aww first you said it was a fan made gif then I embarrassed you saying its an official comic from Marvel released in digital, then you looked into ? Haha dude, you're braindead.
As for what you said, no he didn't start moving before it was fired. The gif clearly shows Iron Man moving AFTER the attack has been fired. Watch it when you're not drunk -
that does not make you "lightning speed".
I never said the speed in that gif is "lightning speed". I just said its way too fast for Storm who has a mere human level reaction speed.
"nothing mentioned how fast sentry was going"
How fast do you think he would go if he wants to go to sun ? Use common sense kid.
what was that suit called?
Holy fck you actually don't know shit about Iron Man and yet you make up shit in every single thread. The suit was Model 42.
The black hole wasn't in the panel until after the timer ran out.
Dude READ THE FKN COMIC. You're embarrassing yourself, I'm not even joking.
If he was going warp speed he would have traversed a much, much larger distance in one second.
How are you even measuring the distance here ? If you actually have more than 2 braincells you would know that you can't outrun a black hole at only light speed, its impossible. Iron Man is using warp speed here -
Now go home, read some comics instead of googling stuff up coz no joke, you don't know anything. All your claims are assumption garbage, you never have evidence for any bs claims you make, whenever you don't don't have anything to debunk a scan (which is like always), you try to twist words in that given scan to use that as an argument and it still doesn't prove anything, you just embarrass yourself even more while doing it.
Also before I go pls don't spam threats, p*rn, gifs, psychotic essays and shit in my DMs, I don't have time for that. We all know you're WITB's alt account who everyone on this website despises.
@corapvp: Whoisthebest, a user that has nothing to do with his life so he spends it stalking people and pming gay porn gifs and all that.
Basically a subhuman.
Not only porn gifs, but 10,000 word+ psychotic essays, threats, etc
what a freak. why not banned?
He has been banned. He just keeps returning with multiple alternate accounts again and again. He's probably THE most hated user on this website. He's mainly on Iron Man threads hating Iron Man for some reason making non sensical arguments. He has a monkey like attitude in all his comments and he has NEVER posted a single scan in his life to actually prove a single thing he has said lol
@waitomegastorm: There is no evidence that Luke Cage defeated Colossus. He was just holding his unconscious body. He may have had help with other Avengers. You can't just say Storm being no-sold by Iron Man multiple times is just as bad writing as a street leveler beating a mid tier like Colossus.
@noone1996: Just Luke Cage holding Colossus as a Garbage Bag is an indication that he defeated him, and if this is you Logic, the same can be said of Tony vs Storm, we don't know how the fight ended, if IM needed help to defeat Storm, because if Storm's lightning had done nothing to Tony as you claim, he would have ignored that and KO Storm with a punch, but that didn't happen.
Anyway this fight was total crap, none of the mutants were acting with Morals Off, and there wasn't even a clear conclusion.
@waitomegastorm: That’s not the same logic at all. Storm’s blood-lusted lightning was SHOWN to be ineffective against Iron Man on-panel and we know she’s a glass canon. What do you think happened after he no-sold her attacks? He was also in the sky and nobody else was around to help him. You can see Falcon and Tony leave the battlefield to pursue Red Skull while the rest of the Avengers and X-Men fight from a distance away. We don’t even see Luke engaging Piotr. In fact, the last time we see Colossus and Luke Cage you see Spider-Man fighting Piotr and Luke and Kluh piling Absorbing Man. It’s likely that once Creel was defeated Hulk and Cage double teamed Colossus.
Storm doesn’t always use internal attacks whenever she’s blood-lusted or mind-controlled. Give me a break. That’d be like saying Thor is never written competently or truly mind controlled because he doesn’t bust the planet or continent when he tries killing somebody. Or that Iron Man is never truly blood-lusted or mind-controlled (even if it’s outright stated or shown) because he doesn’t nuke the battlefield. It’s just garbage WITB tier logic.
@noone1996: Storm wasn't acting like she was in Bloodlusted, if so she would either kill him with a HAX or start using her powers on a planetary level, the way she was fighting here was the same way she fights most of the time in character, just firing lightning.
So you think Luke had help defeating Colossus but Tony with Storm didn't? I'm not surprised of this double standard coming from you, and besides, because Storm is a glass cannon it would be very easy for Tony to beat her with a punch, but that didn't happen, Tony was unable to touch Storm the entire fight on panel.
From midway through the fight to completion, the only thing you can do is speculate and nothing more, as we don't see how the fight ended.
@waitomegastorm: You act like firing lightning cannot be deadly or that she can’t send electricity that’s a higher potency than her morals on attacks. Like I said before, she’s been blood-lusted and mind controlled before and lightning was still used there too. Are all of those instances bad writing too? Repeating over and over about how “iF sHe WaS ReAlLy bLoOdLuStEd (which she definitely was as confirmed through the inversion and multiple character statements including her own admission) sHe wOuLd hAvE uSeD oThUr aTtAcKs” doesn’t change the fact that she has still used lightning while being morals off in the past. It was off-panel too so we also don’t know if she 100% did not use anything else on Tony.
Are you kidding me? Why would Tony need help with Storm when her best lightning strikes are shown to do absolutely nothing in that story three different times? How is it a double standard? Luke was SHOWN fighting alongside Kluh. You are ignoring context. Who helped Tony then? Nobody was around and they were fighting in the sky... Your wanking is just ridiculous. As if Iron Man needs the help or ever has.
Nah we see him no-selling her lightning 3 different times in that story, bud. You want to cry and act like it’s bad writing, that’s your problem but straight up ignoring the fact that her best lightning strikes are no-sold is just absurd. We all agree that Iron Man could one-shot her anyway since she’s a glass canon so nitpicking about how he beat her or if he had help is honestly pretty irrelevant. She tried to kill him MULTIPLE times throughout the story. He walked away without a scratch and she was not seen for the rest of the story 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@waitomegastorm: Can I shrug off any instance Iron Man is mind-controlled or morals off just because Tony doesn’t nuke the battlefield? Does that make sense to you?
@noone1996: That's the point, if she wanted to be deadly, she would use a HAX, she could make stupid claims about her all the time, as Tony himself said that trying to hold Cap America was like holding a Tornado, it all comes from the writer's ignorance. , Storm was doing what she does 90% of the time unfortunately, the fact is that if she were with Bloodlusted she would do more, in fact if that were the case, people like Falcon and Luke would be dead, but if they were mentally controlled people may explain this stupidity.
LOL, And as I said several times, if Storm wasn't a problem for Tony, why didn't he beat her right the first time they met ??? after all this should happen according to you Wank logic, and the funny thing is that you act as if Storm were at full power on this occasion only for Lowball her, and as I said half of this fight and speculation, a lot of things may have happened, and if you can argue that Luke needed help to beat Colossus, Kluh was helping him more. At some point he could have gone to help another character (as I said, we're not sure about anything) and I can also about Storm and IM, as Tony himself was totally unable to touch her during the entire fight on the panel.
Funny the lightnings were ineffective but in none of those situations IM could fight back, and stop lying, as you even said they fought 3 times,and in none of those times was it said she wants to kill him,Again, if Storm is nothing to Tony because he didn't beat her quickly instead of letting the fight go on, IronMan Wanker.
@geekryan: Storm is almost always in Moral, so most of the time she resorts to random lightning, and the few times she wasn't there she resorted to HAX (even with morals she already used).
If it's valid with Jean, Bobby, Wanda and any other character that has Hax, why can't happen with Storm?
and I wonder if she realizes that she is not being very effective, why would she insist?
@waitomegastorm: You act like firing lightning cannot be deadly or that she can’t send electricity that’s a higher potency than her morals on attacks. Like I said before, she’s been blood-lusted and mind controlled before and lightning was still used there too. Are all of those instances bad writing too? Repeating over and over about how “iF sHe WaS ReAlLy bLoOdLuStEd (which she definitely was as confirmed through the inversion and multiple character statements including her own admission) sHe wOuLd hAvE uSeD oThUr aTtAcKs” doesn’t change the fact that she has still used lightning while being morals off in the past. It was off-panel too so we also don’t know if she 100% did not use anything else on Tony.
Are you kidding me? Why would Tony need help with Storm when her best lightning strikes are shown to do absolutely nothing in that story three different times? How is it a double standard? Luke was SHOWN fighting alongside Kluh. You are ignoring context. Who helped Tony then? Nobody was around and they were fighting in the sky... Your wanking is just ridiculous. As if Iron Man needs the help or ever has.
Nah we see him no-selling her lightning 3 different times in that story, bud. You want to cry and act like it’s bad writing, that’s your problem but straight up ignoring the fact that her best lightning strikes are no-sold is just absurd. We all agree that Iron Man could one-shot her anyway since she’s a glass canon so nitpicking about how he beat her or if he had help is honestly pretty irrelevant. She tried to kill him MULTIPLE times throughout the story. He walked away without a scratch and she was not seen for the rest of the story 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@kasya_carey: She actually blasted Sabretooth. His healing factor makes him pretty durable. Almost on the same level as Wolverine. She KO'd him and would have killed him if not for him being saved.
That's the point, if she wanted to be deadly, she would use a HAX
No, you missed the point. Lightning is JUST as deadly, if not, MORE so than her hax. Think about it, some of her best feats are with lightning, so you saying that it's bad writing because she used her arguably strongest and most potent attack just doesn't hold up. Especially when she's been mind-controlled or morals off/blood-lusted and STILL was shown using it:
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Mind-controlled and instructed by Ahab to kill her allies. What does she use? Lightning.
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When a nanite is inside her brain and she is blood-lusted to kill herself, guess what she uses? Lightning. Literally screaming "Die!" as she only shoots lightning instead of blasting wind, freezing, or internal attacks. Too bad it's deflected.
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X-Man's mind-control over Storm still has her using lightning against her enemies.
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In fact, after Storm gets broken free from Nathan Summers' mind-control, she is PISSED off to say the least. What kind of attack do you think she uses?
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This is one of my favorite Storm moments. That time when, as confirmed in the first scan, she is trying to kill Nightcrawler and she CONSTANTLY uses lightning. Although she fails a lot and uses tornado winds too, it's clear that her mind-controlled and blood-lusted MAIN method of killing Kurt is LIGHTNING. I can't even accurately count the amount of times that she spams lightning in this issue. You might try to use this against me since she used tornadoes and wind too, but she MAINLY used lightning. No internal bullshit attacks that she's only used like 5 times in her career.
Even in X-Men Forever (a non-canon book written by Claremont), he constantly writes her as using lightning despite being morals off. Certainly he's familiar with her powers and how she uses them.
Again, I recognize that these scans aren't canon, but I still think it says something. Storm was written by Claremont (a former 616 X-Men writer) very competently. She used flying, freezing, winds, tornadoes, and lightning strikes throughout this run, but despite being morals off and blood-lusted, she's still written by the guy as a lightning spammer when she's aiming to kill:
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So again, the point is that even when she's mind-controlled or blood-lusted/morals off, she still spams lightning and uses that primarily. Her NOT using "hax" or internal attacks as being evidence that it was "bad writing" is just cherry picking crybaby excuses.
Plus, like I said before, they did fight off-panel too so who knows what kinds of attacks she attempted on him.
she could make stupid claims about her all the time
Oh give me a damn break with this nonsense. "Stupid claims"?? Really? It wasn't even "stupid claims" because even Cyclops instructed all of the X-Men not to hold back:
as Tony himself said that trying to hold Cap America was like holding a Tornado, it all comes from the writer's ignorance.
But that's hyperbole. That's different. He's just overexaggerating to claim that it's not easy to hold someone as determined as Captain America. Storm straight up saying she wasn't holding back anymore or was willing to kill is not the same. It's not an overaxaggeration.
Storm was doing what she does 90% of the time unfortunately, the fact is that if she were with Bloodlusted she would do more, in fact if that were the case, people like Falcon and Luke would be dead, but if they were mentally controlled people may explain this stupidity.
Wrong. She has spammed only lightning while mind-controlled and blood-lusted before. There's nothing out of the ordinary about that. She did attempt to fry Falcon, but his shield blocked the lightning strike. She never attempted to attack Luke Cage.
LOL, And as I said several times, if Storm wasn't a problem for Tony, why didn't he beat her right the first time they met ??? after all this should happen according to you Wank logic
She may have kept him at bay with her lightning for a bit, but ultimately I assume it's either because he actually did KO her with a low level attack (and she just woke up and recovered faster than he expected) or she just didn't bother him enough or was seen as enough of a threat to catch his full attention and take down. When she's shown blasting him the first time in AXIS the next page LITERALLY shows him coming in and helping Falcon against Havok:
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So what happened in between the gap in scan 1 and 2? Either he beat Storm, moved on, and then she recovered faster than he expected or he just stopped his fight against her and left to help Falcon. Either way, I don't see how you can turn this around on Tony as being a bad showing that he "couldn't beat her". Stop ignoring the fact that she was trying to kill him and we can see it does nothing.
Don't forget, despite being inverted, the Avengers have the most morals here out of all of them. The X-Men at this point planted, built, and intended on using a genocidal bomb that was going to kill all non-mutants on Earth. There are two statements from the X-Men (including Ororo) where it is confirmed that the mutants were aiming to kill their opponents. Iron Man does not want to kill them right away. Hell, even in his own Superior Iron Man comic book run he is shown as someone with looser morals, but is still not willing to kill people unless he has to.
and the funny thing is that you act as if Storm were at full power on this occasion only for Lowball her
Why in the hell wouldn't she be full powered here? More talking out of your ass and making bullshit excuses.
and as I said half of this fight and speculation, a lot of things may have happened, and if you can argue that Luke needed help to beat Colossus, Kluh was helping him more. At some point he could have gone to help another character (as I said, we're not sure about anything)
You agree that we're not sure about anything and yet you still lean towards Luke Cage single-handedly defeating Colossus by himself despite the lack of evidence? Him holding his body means nothing. Iron Man is seen just standing there, so does that mean he didn't beat anyone? Who they are holding after the fight is over is kind of irrelevant since it was off-panel. You cannot make a "PIS claim" if you cannot prove the PIS.
and I can also about Storm and IM, as Tony himself was totally unable to touch her during the entire fight on the panel. Funny the lightnings were ineffective but in none of those situations IM could fight back,
But how does it make sense to you that he was "unable to touch her" despite her attacks being SHOWN to be completely ineffective? They don't damage his armor or hurt him so how would her attacks be so successful against Iron Man that he literally couldn't move, but then at the same time Storm did so without hurting him or damaging his armor? It doesn't make sense. That'd be like if Thor used his lightning to paralyze or keep Thanos at bay even though he has shown not to be harmed by it. That defies logic.
and stop lying, as you even said they fought 3 times,and in none of those times was it said she wants to kill him,Again, if Storm is nothing to Tony because he didn't beat her quickly instead of letting the fight go on, IronMan Wanker.
Jesus you are just going to reach and reach aren't you? So her inverted personality and morals changed 5 minutes after saying she was done holding back? One minute she's trying to kill and the next she isn't? What kind of ridiculous and desperate arguments am I reading right now? THEY BUILT A GENOCIDE BOMB! She wasn't trying to kill Iron Man? Just stop embarrassing yourself. I'm wanking because I point out basic facts? Alright I guess they must have changed that definition. Either that or you used the same reading comprehension skills in the dictionary as you did when you read Avengers & AXIS.
That's the point, if she wanted to be deadly, she would use a HAX
No, you missed the point. Lightning is JUST as deadly, if not, MORE so than her hax. Think about it, some of her best feats are with lightning, so you saying that it's bad writing because she used her arguably strongest and most potent attack just doesn't hold up. Especially when she's been mind-controlled or morals off/blood-lusted and STILL was shown using it:
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Mind-controlled and instructed by Ahab to kill her allies. What does she use? Lightning.
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When a nanite is inside her brain and she is blood-lusted to kill herself, guess what she uses? Lightning. Literally screaming "Die!" as she only shoots lightning instead of blasting wind, freezing, or internal attacks. Too bad it's deflected.
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X-Man's mind-control over Storm still has her using lightning against her enemies.
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In fact, after Storm gets broken free from Nathan Summers' mind-control, she is PISSED off to say the least. What kind of attack do you think she uses?
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This is one of my favorite Storm moments. That time when, as confirmed in the first scan, she is trying to kill Nightcrawler and she CONSTANTLY uses lightning. Although she fails a lot and uses tornado winds too, it's clear that her mind-controlled and blood-lusted MAIN method of killing Kurt is LIGHTNING. I can't even accurately count the amount of times that she spams lightning in this issue. You might try to use this against me since she used tornadoes and wind too, but she MAINLY used lightning. No internal bullshit attacks that she's only used like 5 times in her career.
Even in X-Men Forever (a non-canon book written by Claremont), he constantly writes her as using lightning despite being morals off. Certainly he's familiar with her powers and how she uses them.
Again, I recognize that these scans aren't canon, but I still think it says something. Storm was written by Claremont (a former 616 X-Men writer) very competently. She used flying, freezing, winds, tornadoes, and lightning strikes throughout this run, but despite being morals off and blood-lusted, she's still written by the guy as a lightning spammer when she's aiming to kill:
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So again, the point is that even when she's mind-controlled or blood-lusted/morals off, she still spams lightning and uses that primarily. Her NOT using "hax" or internal attacks as being evidence that it was "bad writing" is just cherry picking crybaby excuses.
Plus, like I said before, they did fight off-panel too so who knows what kinds of attacks she attempted on him.
she could make stupid claims about her all the time
Oh give me a damn break with this nonsense. "Stupid claims"?? Really? It wasn't even "stupid claims" because even Cyclops instructed all of the X-Men not to hold back:
as Tony himself said that trying to hold Cap America was like holding a Tornado, it all comes from the writer's ignorance.
But that's hyperbole. That's different. He's just overexaggerating to claim that it's not easy to hold someone as determined as Captain America. Storm straight up saying she wasn't holding back anymore or was willing to kill is not the same. It's not an overaxaggeration.
Storm was doing what she does 90% of the time unfortunately, the fact is that if she were with Bloodlusted she would do more, in fact if that were the case, people like Falcon and Luke would be dead, but if they were mentally controlled people may explain this stupidity.
Wrong. She has spammed only lightning while mind-controlled and blood-lusted before. There's nothing out of the ordinary about that. She did attempt to fry Falcon, but his shield blocked the lightning strike. She never attempted to attack Luke Cage.
LOL, And as I said several times, if Storm wasn't a problem for Tony, why didn't he beat her right the first time they met ??? after all this should happen according to you Wank logic
She may have kept him at bay with her lightning for a bit, but ultimately I assume it's either because he actually did KO her with a low level attack (and she just woke up and recovered faster than he expected) or she just didn't bother him enough or was seen as enough of a threat to catch his full attention and take down. When she's shown blasting him the first time in AXIS the next page LITERALLY shows him coming in and helping Falcon against Havok:
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So what happened in between the gap in scan 1 and 2? Either he beat Storm, moved on, and then she recovered faster than he expected or he just stopped his fight against her and left to help Falcon. Either way, I don't see how you can turn this around on Tony as being a bad showing that he "couldn't beat her". Stop ignoring the fact that she was trying to kill him and we can see it does nothing.
Don't forget, despite being inverted, the Avengers have the most morals here out of all of them. The X-Men at this point planted, built, and intended on using a genocidal bomb that was going to kill all non-mutants on Earth. There are two statements from the X-Men (including Ororo) where it is confirmed that the mutants were aiming to kill their opponents. Iron Man does not want to kill them right away. Hell, even in his own Superior Iron Man comic book run he is shown as someone with looser morals, but is still not willing to kill people unless he has to.
and the funny thing is that you act as if Storm were at full power on this occasion only for Lowball her
Why in the hell wouldn't she be full powered here? More talking out of your ass and making bullshit excuses.
and as I said half of this fight and speculation, a lot of things may have happened, and if you can argue that Luke needed help to beat Colossus, Kluh was helping him more. At some point he could have gone to help another character (as I said, we're not sure about anything)
You agree that we're not sure about anything and yet you still lean towards Luke Cage single-handedly defeating Colossus by himself despite the lack of evidence? Him holding his body means nothing. Iron Man is seen just standing there, so does that mean he didn't beat anyone? Who they are holding after the fight is over is kind of irrelevant since it was off-panel. You cannot make a "PIS claim" if you cannot prove the PIS.
and I can also about Storm and IM, as Tony himself was totally unable to touch her during the entire fight on the panel. Funny the lightnings were ineffective but in none of those situations IM could fight back,
But how does it make sense to you that he was "unable to touch her" despite her attacks being SHOWN to be completely ineffective? They don't damage his armor or hurt him so how would her attacks be so successful against Iron Man that he literally couldn't move, but then at the same time Storm did so without hurting him or damaging his armor? It doesn't make sense. That'd be like if Thor used his lightning to paralyze or keep Thanos at bay even though he has shown not to be harmed by it. That defies logic.
and stop lying, as you even said they fought 3 times,and in none of those times was it said she wants to kill him,Again, if Storm is nothing to Tony because he didn't beat her quickly instead of letting the fight go on, IronMan Wanker.
Jesus you are just going to reach and reach aren't you? So her inverted personality and morals changed 5 minutes after saying she was done holding back? One minute she's trying to kill and the next she isn't? What kind of ridiculous and desperate arguments am I reading right now? THEY BUILT A GENOCIDE BOMB! She wasn't trying to kill Iron Man? Just stop embarrassing yourself. I'm wanking because I point out basic facts? Alright I guess they must have changed that definition. Either that or you used the same reading comprehension skills in the dictionary as you did when you read Avengers & AXIS.
@noone1996: 1) I'm glad you agree that Tony suspiciously defeated her because she was being controlled, because if she was bloodlusted in full awareness she would resort to other things if she realized that random lightning was not being very effective, and yet Storm was throwing lightning on Tony as she makes with Street Level, please if she wanted to do powerful lightining she would do something like this:
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She could start bombarding the field with hydrogen lightnings, even Storm's bioelectric lightning bolts (which are usually lower than the summons of the sky) were hurting beings of She-Hulk's durability, but you may be right when the character is possessed and in bloodlusted he gets limited and acting like an idiot most of the time.
2) Great Scans, but most of the characters you showed do not have a durability that Storm should worry about amplifying their lightning, and once again Storm was possessed so stupid makes sense, and well this Storm Scan trying to kill herself with a lightning bolt is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen (because the lightning bolts of her evil clone did nothing to her), but come on, since Storm and a Glass Cannon anything Storm threw at her could kill her, so I don't know what your point was, she simply summoned a lightning bolt as she does 90% of the time to do that, she could throw a Hailstone right in the middle of her head that could still have the same result.
3) It was no exaggeration, Thor was helping Tony hold Steve, if there were no stupid claims, PIS and CIS wouldn't exist either, all the characters at some point have gone through it, including Storm, but you like to act as if she it had been 100% written the right way, which is not true.,But what to expect from a guy who thinks Storm is being affected by a tazer.
4) I was guessing that Cage beat Colossus because of the last panel, won't you tell me that if Tony or even Luke were holding Storm's body like trash wouldn't you have the same thought? Lol especially if it was with Luke, you would act like "LoOK ThE GODDESss lost FOR StrEEt LeveL", I bet you would react that way (as much as you try to deny it), honestly it's not worth arguing about a badly written and unfinished fight. If Mutants had won that way, I could assume Storm would have beaten Tony, I would enjoy seeing his reaction.
5) I won't be going back to this point about lightning on Tony, if they were ineffective, Tony would have ignored and beat Storm but that not happen.
1) I'm glad you agree that Tony suspiciously defeated her because she was being controlled
Where the hell did I ever say that? Storm wasn't even mind-controlled during AXIS. Her morals and personality was inverted. She was morals off and blood-lusted. It wasn't suspicious. It was off-panel and the reason he beat her was NOT due to some strange or unexplainable mind control. Again, never said that.
because if she was bloodlusted in full awareness she would resort to other things if she realized that random lightning was not being very effective
I've proven this statement false.
and yet Storm was throwing lightning on Tony as she makes with Street Level, please if she wanted to do powerful lightining she would do something like this:
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? The size of her lightning is the same size in AXIS as it was when it hit that She-Hulk replica and Silver Surfer. Are you actually saying that her lightning wasn't as powerful in AXIS because it didn't make him scream out in pain like it did against She-Hulk??? What kind of horrid logic is this? That's some of the worst circular logic I've ever seen.
Also, just because it wasn't the size of a helicarrier, that doesn't mean she wasn't using her best or lethal lightning bolts. Stop making this dumb argument. Thor has created lightning bolts the size of Ego the Living planet (who is moon sized) which made him scream out in pain, yet when he was fighting Thanos the lightning bolts were only this big:
Were these "street level" bolts? Was Thor not trying to kill Thanos here? That is the EXACT same silly logic you are using with Storm. The size of her bolts make no difference. Her not hurting Iron Man, but hurting She-Hulk makes no difference. She doesn't even hurt Surfer in that other scan so I've got nothing to say about that one.
She could start bombarding the field with hydrogen lightnings, even Storm's bioelectric lightning bolts (which are usually lower than the summons of the sky) were hurting beings of She-Hulk's durability, but you may be right when the character is possessed and in bloodlusted he gets limited and acting like an idiot most of the time.
Well, yeah being blood-lusted makes you attack irrationally. I wouldn't say that Storm was irrationally attacking Iron Man though. She was just morals off. Like I said before, which you ignored, if Iron Man is blood-lusted or morals off against somebody and he doesn't nuke the entire battlefield, does that mean he isn't going all out either?
2) Great Scans, but most of the characters you showed do not have a durability that Storm should worry about amplifying their lightning,
You don't even know what you're talking about. The first set of scans that I sent literally shows her blasting her X-Men allies which included Armor and Jean Grey's force-fields. Those are pretty damn durable. She is blasting Ice Man and Jean in another set of scans. Pretty damn durable and resilient. Nathan Summers, a team-busting god, is being blasted with just her lightning. The only scans I posted where she is using lightning on someone that isn't durable is Nightcrawler and herself. Lmao. So you're wrong. She still uses small lightning when morals off or mind controlled.
and once again Storm was possessed so stupid makes sense, and well this Storm Scan trying to kill herself with a lightning bolt is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen (because the lightning bolts of her evil clone did nothing to her),
I can see you are slowly shifting your opinion about AXIS being bad writing, but your logic is "she was possessed/mind controlled, so it makes her attack people in a stupid or ineffective way", but she wasn't even mind controlled during AXIS. She just had no morals and wanted to kill Avengers. That doesn't apply and the point is that when she's blood-lusted, morals off, or mind controlled she STILL only spams lightning which makes your initial claim incorrect. AXIS is not bad writing just because she only used lightning. She's done that MANY times while controlled. In fact, I actually accidentally left two other scans out of my pile:
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So once again, here's more examples of her being mind controlled and only using lightning to kill people.
So saying the AXIS instance is unusable because she "only used lightning" while morals off is debunked.
As for her lightning not being able to hurt her, I'm not getting into that nonsense again. The point is, when she's trying to kill (even herself), she still only uses lightning.
but come on, since Storm and a Glass Cannon anything Storm threw at her could kill her, so I don't know what your point was, she simply summoned a lightning bolt as she does 90% of the time to do that, she could throw a Hailstone right in the middle of her head that could still have the same result.
Your run-on sentences with 50 different points mixed in there are very hard to read, so I'm not entirely sure if I understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that it's dumb writing that Storm tried to kill herself with lightning because she could commit suicide a number of different ways due to being a glass cannon? She's not immune to lightning. She has consistently been harmed by her own lightning. I imagine that if she uses a potent enough bolt it could kill her. But again, you are missing the point. She still, while morals off, chose lightning bolts.
3) It was no exaggeration, Thor was helping Tony hold Steve, if there were no stupid claims, PIS and CIS wouldn't exist either, all the characters at some point have gone through it, including Storm, but you like to act as if she it had been 100% written the right way, which is not true.,But what to expect from a guy who thinks Storm is being affected by a tazer.
How do you not understand the difference between hyperbole and a factual statement? Is Captain America a tornado? Is he as powerful as one? Obviously not. It's an exaggeration. Was Storm not holding back anymore in AXIS? Was she instructed to kill the Avengers? Was she not inverted and morals off? Did she not help build and set off a species erasing bomb? Storm's "stupid claim" is not an exaggeration or hyperbole. That's literally the worst comparison.
You're going to poke at my credibility? Really? At least I don't think my favorite character can beat abstract and Skyfather level beings, bud. The taser isn't the same as some police officer weapon. It was connected to an Iron Man armor which is basically a walking nuclear reactor. But yeah keep pretending like War Machine only hit her with like 50,000 volts.
4) I was guessing that Cage beat Colossus because of the last panel, won't you tell me that if Tony or even Luke were holding Storm's body like trash wouldn't you have the same thought? Lol especially if it was with Luke, you would act like "LoOK ThE GODDESss lost FOR StrEEt LeveL", I bet you would react that way (as much as you try to deny it), honestly it's not worth arguing about a badly written and unfinished fight. If Mutants had won that way, I could assume Storm would have beaten Tony, I would enjoy seeing his reaction.
That's right, you GUESSED. Because YOU DON'T KNOW. What if Cage did KO Colossus, but it was because Kluh weakened or softened Piotr up for Luke? WE. DON'T. KNOW. So you have no evidence that it's bad writing because there is no evidence that Cage beat him single-handedly.
If Iron Man was shown holding Storm's unconscious body that would have been different because he was seen fighting her before the off-panel jump Luke Cage was not shown fighting Colossus before the jump, so that's different.
The X-Men are shit so they never would have won. Especially not with Hulk there.
5) I won't be going back to this point about lightning on Tony, if they were ineffective, Tony would have ignored and beat Storm but that not happen.
But it literally did nothing to him? Why are you denying that? Are you blind? I already told you why it could have happened. He could have KO'd her and then she woke back up or he was being hit by her and then flew away to help Falcon instead of attacking her. Also, to address your point about how "he couldn't do anything" when Storm blasted him here, that's because he was trying to block the lightning that she was shooting at Falcon. He was holding her off so he could get away. Stop reaching.
@noone1996: stop lowballing storm. she is an omega level mutant with unlimited upper limit of power as it relates to weather manipulation. that includes lightning and cold both of which iron man suit has been compromised by.
1) If her moral and personality were reversed then, yes she could have done more, she is an XMens leader and strategist, she wouldn't just be shooting lightning if it wasn't enough, and about lightning, I wasn't talking about the size is about power, and if they are strong enough to nearly kill Doom and hurt the She-Hulk Clone, Tony wouldn't be free of it.
2) if Tony were in Bloodlusted then yes he could throw a Nuke on the field, by God's, lightning is not Storm's most powerful attacks but her winds, so she won't destroy Jean's shields using just that kind attack, and your deadliest ones are your HAX, are you practically saying that it's easier for Storm to attack lightnings that Tony can tank than just kill him instantly? oh God, LoL one thing and the writer wants to make the characters bloodlusted, something else and he can do it the right way, I mean how people like Luke and falcon survive a bloodlusted team with Cyclops, Storm, Havok and apparently Apocalypse ( it gets more ridiculous)
3) For her canonical powers and her various shows,resisting her lightnings and others, any other instance showing otherwise should be considered PIS, as it ignores one aspect of one character to another to succeed (Warmachine), continue to think that one Tazer is more powerful than Storm's lightning in bloodlusted or any other electrical resistance show she has had, when you even admitted that they are Fodders and were similar to real-life prisons LOL.
"Low voltage, Fodders, Real life Prisons".
Stop being embarrassed by this Tazer baby.
and one more thing, just as you ignore several occasions of Storm she was immune to lightning I can also ignore her being affected by the same attacks (and I'm right to do so), and about attempting suicide, she's a Glass Cannon she doesn't have to become a deadly lightning to kill herself, a common lightning can kill anyone with Human durability.
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4) Well, you credibility is pretty questionable when it comes to Storm(Point 3), you practically ignore all the good feats she has to make her look like a weak character, and about that from Skyfather I think you're talking about Goddess Storm so it's beside the point, and you may continue to believe that Warmachine fires """"Nuclear weapons""""""( I recently learned that real-world prisons have Tazers blessed with Stark Tech, with nuclear power 😂😂) at Glass Cannons when they both do not want to kill each other in a fight, as well as continue to believe that Tony is absorbing lightning who has enough power to make beings like Ego scream in pain or even that only attacks of Thor's level can hurt him.
5)It's simply a stupid claim because it doesn't match what she did, Morals On = Lightnings, Morals Off = More Lightning !!, We don't know how the fight ended but you can make the statement that Tony defeated Storm unaided even when himself could not deal with her during the whole fight on the panel, he should MurderBlitz Storm as you suggested, but it did not happen in this situation or in the others, and as you suppose about Tony and Storm, I could so assume about Luke and Colossus Bloodlusted (keeps getting more ridiculous), we can play with it all day long.
6)You should know that Storm is capable of multitasking, Storm might as well have fried Falcon with lightning from all directions and still continue to fight Tony, but this is so stupid that even when she is writing to use lightning she is limited, practically all Mutants present there were doing Jobbing, limited to random attacks, and only bloodlusted to make the avengers look better, do you see that or are you blind, the writer is so incompetent that he was not even able to give A conclusion to this crap, the fact is that Storm was fighting there as she fights most people, Lightning !!!! Stop bragging about Tony with this unfinished bad writing.
@butterflykyss: Every time he's been "compromised" by lightning or extreme cold there was context, but please keep spreading lies about debunked instances. I don't give a shit what Storm is. The on-panel images confirm how well Storm does against Iron Man and his own individual energy absorption and heat resistance feats confirm that he can take her best attacks because he has survived absolute zero and Thor's lightning several times.
1) If her moral and personality were reversed then, yes she could have done more, she is an XMens leader and strategist, she wouldn't just be shooting lightning if it wasn't enough, and about lightning, I wasn't talking about the size is about power, and if they are strong enough to nearly kill Doom and hurt the She-Hulk Clone, Tony wouldn't be free of it.
So your argument is that we know her lightning wasn't powerful enough because it didn't do more damage like it did to other characters? Do you not realize how dumb that logic is?
Her being inverted only changes her morals and nothing else. It doesn't change her strategy skills or intelligence. If she spammed deadly lightning bolts it was likely because she knew nothing else would work.
2) if Tony were in Bloodlusted then yes he could throw a Nuke on the field
So do I have the right to say that anytime Iron Man doesn't nuke the battlefield with his repulsors (which he's only done a handful of times like Storm has only used internal attacks a handful of times) that means it's bad writing? That's what you are doing.
by God's, lightning is not Storm's most powerful attacks but her winds, so she won't destroy Jean's shields using just that kind attack, and your deadliest ones are your HAX, are you practically saying that it's easier for Storm to attack lightnings that Tony can tank than just kill him instantly? oh God, LoL one thing and the writer wants to make the characters bloodlusted, something else and he can do it the right way,
It doesn't matter. The point is that she has used lightning while morals off or mind-controlled consistently. If you want to claim that it's bad writing when she blasted Nathan Summers, Iron Man, Jean Grey, Armor, etc. with lightning instead of winds or internal attacks. Take it up with the writer. I'm sure they love interacting with your overly obsessed fanbase complaints.
I mean how people like Luke and falcon survive a bloodlusted team with Cyclops, Storm, Havok and apparently Apocalypse ( it gets more ridiculous)
Thor already single-handedly defeated Cyclops and Apocalypse. Iron Man one-shotted Havok. All of this happened on-panel. The only ones that were left before we see the Avengers won was Absorbing Man, Colossus, Storm, and inverted morals on villains (like Enchantress). So no, it doesn't get more ridiculous.
3) For her canonical powers and her various shows,resisting her lightnings and others, any other instance showing otherwise should be considered PIS, as it ignores one aspect of one character to another to succeed (Warmachine), continue to think that one Tazer is more powerful than Storm's lightning in bloodlusted or any other electrical resistance show she has had
All his tazer did was bring Storm to her hands and knees. It just knocked her over. It didn't KO her. It didn't kill her. It arguably didn't even hurt her. All it did was knock the wind out of her. It just stunned her. That instance does not mean that I'm saying War Machine's tazer is stronger than Storm's lightning, but it's definitely not just a regular 10,000 volt tazer. That's all I've been saying. Iron Man armors have a crap load of energy in them and Iron Man has emitted electrical attacks capable of harming really durable characters, so I don't see why it's such a stretch to claim that it wasn't bad writing. Do you notice how every single argument you make that makes Storm look bad is bad writing? Not everything can be bad writing all the time you know. It makes you look irrational.
when you even admitted that they are Fodders and were similar to real-life prisons LOL.
Nice out of context screenshot. Too bad I was talking about this tazer and not War Machine's:
That user was saying that this ^ scan proves that she is "immune" to electricity, but this tazer is featless. That's what I was saying. This is the tazer that is not confirmed to be any higher of a voltage than a prison guard's. Again, I wasn't talking about War Machine's tazer in that first screenshot. Notice how I go on to talk about Storm's "statement alone is not accurate". I was saying, "just because Storm says I make lightning and it cannot hurt me, that doesn't mean she is completely immune to everything". That's what I was saying, but nice try.
"Low voltage, Fodders, Real life Prisons".
I did admit that War Machine's tazer was a low voltage and holding back one in the 2nd screenshot. Fair enough. I only made that claim because he wasn't trying to kill her. I mentioned that in the 2nd screenshot and you can see that for yourself. I meant that the voltage wouldn't have been his best because he wouldn't have wanted to kill her.
Stop being embarrassed by this Tazer baby.
It's funny that you say that. The only one that's crying and complaining about a tazer is you, bud. It drives you guys MAD that she got fodderized by War Machine. If she had been one-shotted by a punch or repulsor ray I can't even imagine the mental gymnastics you would use to make excuses for that.
and one more thing, just as you ignore several occasions of Storm she was immune to lightning I can also ignore her being affected by the same attacks (and I'm right to do so), and about attempting suicide, she's a Glass Cannon she doesn't have to become a deadly lightning to kill herself, a common lightning can kill anyone with Human durability.
There is only like 2 feats where she doesn't get harmed by electricity and no-sells it. Even scans that you think are valuable still show Storm being harmed by it due to her screaming/grunting in pain. Meanwhile, I've got like 12 separate instances where it either harms or KO's her. I have more instances of it affecting her than you do of her no-selling it.
4) Well, you credibility is pretty questionable when it comes to Storm(Point 3), you practically ignore all the good feats she has to make her look like a weak character,
I don't ignore good feats. I've got a Storm folder saved on my computer and I've got a bunch of good feats saved for her, but I just don't think she can consistently hurt or bother high tiers with regular weather. That makes me a Storm hater I guess. So be it. Storm is actually interesting, but your fanaticism ruins her for me and many others. I've had a bunch of former Storm fans who changed their minds about the character message me about it because of the wank. It's kind of sad.
and about that from Skyfather I think you're talking about Goddess Storm so it's beside the point, and you may continue to believe that Warmachine fires """"Nuclear weapons""""""( I recently learned that real-world prisons have Tazers blessed with Stark Tech, with nuclear power 😂😂)
You know Tony Stark blessed the U.S. military with Neutralizer ray weaponry which was capable of one-shotting Hulk, right?
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You know Tony Stark blessed SHIELD with Z-Gas weaponry capable of one-shotting the Silver Surfer, right?
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You know Tony Stark blessed the military with naval cannons capable of launching nuclear salvos 500 miles away? You know Tony Stark blessed the scientific research community with synthetic liquid tissue which closes any open wound? You know Tony Stark blessed NASA with an alloy which could withstand a bombardment of any radiation, right? You know that Tony Stark blessed the U.S. military with .50 caliber bullets in regular guns that are as powerful as artillery shells?
That's right. This all happened in one page.
You know that Tony Stark actually provided Guardsman armors for the U.S. superhuman prisons? Guardsman armors capable of trading blows with and wrecking Venom, bloodying Moonstone, and harming Atlas with a punch. So let's not pretend like Stark doesn't provide powerful Stark tech for the country, shall we? That's not even getting into the fact that I never said War Machine's tazers were prison tazers. I was talking about the tazer that hit Storm in this scan.
Iron Man armors have the equivalent of multiple nuclear reactors' worth of energy stored within them in the arc reactor, circuitry, and repulsor gauntlets. That type of energy level is pretty high and potent. You can laugh about it all you want, but electrical attacks emitted from an armor like that is nothing to laugh about to be honest. Especially when Iron Man has harmed the Hulk with his electricity among others.
as well as continue to believe that Tony is absorbing lightning who has enough power to make beings like Ego scream in pain or even that only attacks of Thor's level can hurt him.
He doesn't absorb all of it. He absorbs part of Thor's lightning and when he cannot take in anymore then he just tanks the rest. By the time he needs to tank the rest though the bolt is weakened to a point where it wouldn't hurt him that much. But yeah, Iron Man doing that like 5 separate times with Thor in addition to absorbing and redirecting the power cosmic from Terrax or the Silver Surfer leads me to believe that his energy absorption powers are pretty damn good. He once absorbed enough radiation and energy that was capable of leveling half of Colarado. But I forgot Storm is above all of that, right?
5)It's simply a stupid claim because it doesn't match what she did, Morals On = Lightnings, Morals Off = More Lightning !!,
I SHOWED YOU HER DOING EXACTLY THAT! You even admitted that they were good scans when I posted them. Take it up with the writers, not me. When she's morals off she still uses lightning more often than not. She has only used your favorite "hax" attacks like 5 times in her entire career. Even while blood-lusted, morals off, or mind-controlled she STILL doesn't use internal attacks often. What does that tell you???
We don't know how the fight ended but you can make the statement that Tony defeated Storm unaided even when himself could not deal with her during the whole fight on the panel, he should MurderBlitz Storm as you suggested, but it did not happen in this situation or in the others, and as you suppose about Tony and Storm, I could so assume about Luke and Colossus Bloodlusted (keeps getting more ridiculous), we can play with it all day long.
You aren't even reading what I am saying and just repeating yourself endlessly like a child. I gave you multiple explanations and you won't even directly respond to them. Let me just copy and paste what I said the first time you sent this same message 5 times to me:
She may have kept him at bay with her lightning for a bit, but ultimately I assume it's either because he actually did KO her with a low level attack (and she just woke up and recovered faster than he expected) or she just didn't bother him enough or was seen as enough of a threat to catch his full attention and take down. When she's shown blasting him the first time in AXIS the next page LITERALLY shows him coming in and helping Falcon against Havok:
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So what happened in between the gap in scan 1 and 2? Either he beat Storm, moved on, and then she recovered faster than he expected or he just stopped his fight against her and left to help Falcon. Either way, I don't see how you can turn this around on Tony as being a bad showing that he "couldn't beat her". Stop ignoring the fact that she was trying to kill him and we can see it does nothing.
6)You should know that Storm is capable of multitasking, Storm might as well have fried Falcon with lightning from all directions and still continue to fight Tony, but this is so stupid that even when she is writing to use lightning she is limited, practically all Mutants present there were doing Jobbing, limited to random attacks, and only bloodlusted to make the avengers look better, do you see that or are you blind, the writer is so incompetent that he was not even able to give A conclusion to this crap, the fact is that Storm was fighting there as she fights most people, Lightning !!!! Stop bragging about Tony with this unfinished bad writing.
So far, the only reason that you've given me that justifies this as bad writing is that Storm and the X-Men lost. But to me, that doesn't really work. Yes, Storm is capable of multi-tasking, but why would she risk the shift in focus on Falcon when it might cost her her life? She could mentally command a tornado to hit Falcon as she electrocutes Stark, but while she's doing that she could miss or fail to see Tony aiming a hypersonic missile at her as the lightning is shrugged off. She's not going to fight freaking Iron Man casually and treat him like he's not a threat. You might see him as fodder, but he really isn't. She's going to take him seriously. Also, the funniest thing about this entire argument is that you are saying it's a dumb move for her to primarily use lightning/electrical attacks, but logically that would probably be the best type of attack to use against a technology based opponent, wouldn't it? Lightning creates electromagnetic surges, so she may have just tried to disable his armor that way... It's not her fault that she didn't know EMP and electricity doesn't work on Iron Man's suit.
Which other mutants were jobbing though? Colossus who was defeated through unknown means off-panel? Likely by Kluh? Cyclops who was one-shotted by Thor (not before he and his brother made Thor scream out in pain)? Apocalypse who had Celestial armor that was weak against Thor's enchanted axe Jarnborn? Havok who was beating the shit out of Falcon, but was then one-shotted by Iron Man (but then up again an issue later)? Rogue who was trading blows with Kluh? Or how about when the X-Men defeated the inverted villains? A roster of characters that had Absorbing Man, Enchantress, Loki, Sabretooth, Spider-Man, Carnage, Jack-O-Lantern, Hobgoblin, Deadpool and Mystique ALL LOST to the "jobbing X-Men"? If it wasn't for Carnage sacrificing his life to stop the bomb, the X-Men literally would have won right there and the story would have been over. But yeah, sure. They beat a roster like that and they were "jobbing". Sure.
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