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#151  Edited By G-w-D
@worldwidewoman said:
"So you all are saying that Iceman would win because you don't agree with what writers have her do in the comics? That's bologna, and you know it.   Take into account that Storm has had mastery over her powers since before she even came to Xavier's. Iceman didn't realize his potential until White Queen got hold of him.  He lived at a school, and was an X-man for years before that, and he wasn't even mastering his powers then. Storm learned on her own. That alone says a lot about the two of them. What you all are forgetting about Storm is that she has way more at her disposal than ice wind and rain. These are just some of the tools at her disposalShe could easily just decrease the humidity in a large radius around Iceman and he would be powerless, since he draws moisture for his icemaking from the air.All you really have to do is think about it. Iceman controls Ice. Storm controls all weather and certain other energies. Do the Math. "

Iceman is an Omega level mutant with corresponding energy manipulation powers, not only does he Control Water in it's many forms but has vast potential in manipulation of Thermokinetic manipulation (Which cryothermic is a part of) down to the molecule level which basically means his Heat maipulation potential towers over hers
 
So your wrong Iceman is not totally dependent on moisture, without limits imposed by writers Bobby could theoretically attack the bodies ability to produce energy to sustain itself by tinkering with the heat in the chemical reactions that takes place within the cells of the organism   
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#152  Edited By Stormcell
@Son Of Storm said:
" @worldwidewoman said:
" So we're sticking with the Iceman is immortal thing, but taking and leaving facts about Storm as we please.  Iceman is not immortal If his head was cut off he would die. that = mortal. If his heart were removed he would die that = immortal. "
Iceman is and always will be immortal simply because he can absorb moister from the world around him. Even in the desert he would have enough moister to reconstruct his entire body. But based on his "character" I doubt he uses the person for a water supply. "

Lets say he's cut apart while in flesh and blood form and not ice. ;)
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#153  Edited By JThree47693

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They're in a stalemate.
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#155  Edited By Tahdigga

Didn't they  have a fight on  the cartoon x-men evolution    when Storm was possessed by apocalypse? 
 
   
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#156  Edited By cracks
@Stormcell: So you are saying that the only way Iceman can defeat Storm is by outliving her, since Iceman is "immortal"?         %Pr
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@cracks said:
" @Stormcell: So you are saying that the only way Iceman can defeat Storm is by outliving her, since Iceman is "immortal"?         %Pr "

Yes
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#158  Edited By Fleonix

Storm could easily Melt Iceman......she can create temperatures as high as the atmosphere will allow it.  Ice projectiles would not even reach her.....and once she melts Iceman she can separete the Oxygen from the Hydrogen like Storm Cell said.........And Ice man can't even control his vapor form he just reconstructs himself........and then he is out of commission for a while from the strain........While Storm is in in connection with the weather and make anything happen on the spot.

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#159  Edited By cracks
@StormAmazonPhoenix: Then technically that is a "Storm wins" scenario. I still don't know how Storm can survive when Iceman has frozen the water molecules in her body.         %Pr
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@cracks said:
" @StormAmazonPhoenix: Then technically that is a "Storm wins" scenario. I still don't know how Storm can survive when Iceman has frozen the water molecules in her body.         %Pr "

Storm's immune to being frozen.
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#161  Edited By cracks
@StormAmazonPhoenix: Elaborate more on that. I noticed that you tend to make claims and are not able to back them up.           %Pr
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Its inher power set. She immune to temperature. Whenever her the temperature changes her powers make her body react immediately. Storm's in charge of the weather.
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#163  Edited By Fleonix
@cracks: Come on the Girl Creates Blizzards in a Body Tight Suite...........of Course she's immune to being Frozen.
Uncanny X-Men #511
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@Fleonix said:
" @cracks: Come on the Girl Creates Blizzards in a Body Tight Suite...........of Course she's immune to being Frozen.
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Don't tell them anything, they're like pigs rolling in the mud.
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#165  Edited By cracks
@StormAmazonPhoenix: 
So you are saying that Storm is immune to her water molecules being frozen?   
 
 
PINGAS in the mud.    
 
 
LOL.     %Pr
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#166  Edited By cracks
@Fleonix: 
Storm is NOT immune to extreme temerpatures. She is only highly resistant, however, you throw her in the sun and she ain't gonna survive that. She also can't survive the extreme temperatures Iceman can create. Also, if this fight were to take place on Earth, she wouldn't be able to use the sun to melt Iceman. According to multiple websites, she cannot create atmospheric phenomena that is not natural to the current atmosphere -- she can't make Earth as hot as the sun. According to the boards at marvel.com, he recently got completely evaporated and still managed to re-condense and re-freeze himself. Beast said it was a first for him.                       %Pr
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#167  Edited By Strafe Prower

Iceman CURBSTOMP.
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#168  Edited By cracks
@Strafe Prower:  Is Iceman more ruthless than Storm?
Well, Iceman's power is the control of all water and moisture as well as the chemical reaction including "thermic" energy,weather,for the most part is manipulation of the atmosphere's moist and temperature. So it is also possible that Iceman can deny her the use of her power.
  
I can't think of a think Storm can do here to hurt Bobby consistently. Wind and snow/rain won't do much more than power Bobby even more, and hasn't Bobby taken lightning before with nothing but momentary dispersal?

Storm on the other hand can get stopped by his standard ice beams.         
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#169  Edited By Strafe Prower
@cracks:
Iceman can attack and kill her by many means of action. Freezeing her blood or removing the blood from her body, freeze her whole body from the inside out like he did legion and Mammoth.  There is nothing she can do to him that he could just kill her first or he just stay in vapor form and kill her from there.
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#170  Edited By cracks
@Strafe Prower: Hence, Iceman's victory.      %Pr
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#171  Edited By Strafe Prower
@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower: Hence, Iceman's victory.      %Pr "

exactly
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#172  Edited By Stormultt

STORM ISNT WINNING HENCE WE DONT EVEN KNOW HER TRUE POWER AND SHES BORING NOW!!!. 
 
its a lost cause with the writers and her now and its kinda sad to say but its true.
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#173  Edited By cracks
@Strafe Prower: Is Iceman more ruthless than Storm?  
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#174  Edited By Stormcell
@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower:  Is Iceman more ruthless than Storm?
Well, Iceman's power is the control of all water and moisture as well as the chemical reaction including "thermic" energy,weather,for the most part is manipulation of the atmosphere's moist and temperature. So it is also possible that Iceman can deny her the use of her power.
  
I can't think of a think Storm can do here to hurt Bobby consistently. Wind and snow/rain won't do much more than power Bobby even more, and hasn't Bobby taken lightning before with nothing but momentary dispersal?

Storm on the other hand can get stopped by his standard ice beams.         
Storm has control over those things as well and has controlled them on a much bigger scale. 
 
Iceman is not freezing Storm nor is he taking any moisture out of her body. She controls these things as well and has demonstrated much more powerful control.  
 
Oh yea, Storm is immune to cold. There is canon that states she is immune to temperature variations and cannot be directly harmed by the weather.
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#175  Edited By Strafe Prower
@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower: Is Iceman more ruthless than Storm?   "

remember the scans I showed you in the WHo can beat Iceman thread? HE kill in several of those scans so I would say yes.
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#176  Edited By G-w-D
@Stormcell said:
"@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower:  Is Iceman more ruthless than Storm?
Well, Iceman's power is the control of all water and moisture as well as the chemical reaction including "thermic" energy,weather,for the most part is manipulation of the atmosphere's moist and temperature. So it is also possible that Iceman can deny her the use of her power.
  
I can't think of a think Storm can do here to hurt Bobby consistently. Wind and snow/rain won't do much more than power Bobby even more, and hasn't Bobby taken lightning before with nothing but momentary dispersal?

Storm on the other hand can get stopped by his standard ice beams.         
Storm has control over those things as well and has controlled them on a much bigger scale.  Iceman is not freezing Storm nor is he taking any moisture out of her body. She controls these things as well and has demonstrated much more powerful control.   Oh yea, Storm is immune to cold. There is canon that states she is immune to temperature variations and cannot be directly harmed by the weather. "
Bigger is not always better, For instance Iceman having complete control over thermokinetics on a molecule or lower level is a feat more impressive than storm dropping the tempreture in the local enviroment  

Why don't you understand Icemans manipulation of Thermokinetic    is greater than Storms  
 
Storm may be immune to tempreture produced by nature or her own manipulations but she is not gonna be immune to Bobby's    
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#177  Edited By Stormcell
@G-w-D said:
"@Stormcell said:
"@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower:  Is Iceman more ruthless than Storm?
Well, Iceman's power is the control of all water and moisture as well as the chemical reaction including "thermic" energy,weather,for the most part is manipulation of the atmosphere's moist and temperature. So it is also possible that Iceman can deny her the use of her power.
  
I can't think of a think Storm can do here to hurt Bobby consistently. Wind and snow/rain won't do much more than power Bobby even more, and hasn't Bobby taken lightning before with nothing but momentary dispersal?

Storm on the other hand can get stopped by his standard ice beams.         
Storm has control over those things as well and has controlled them on a much bigger scale.  Iceman is not freezing Storm nor is he taking any moisture out of her body. She controls these things as well and has demonstrated much more powerful control.   Oh yea, Storm is immune to cold. There is canon that states she is immune to temperature variations and cannot be directly harmed by the weather. "
Bigger is not always better, For instance Iceman having complete control over thermokinetics on a molecule or lower level is a feat more impressive than storm dropping the tempreture in the local enviroment  Why don't you understand Icemans manipulation of Thermokinetic    is greater than Storms   Storm may be immune to tempreture produced by nature or her own manipulations but she is not gonna be immune to Bobby's     "
Storm has complete control over thermokinetics on lower levels as well. For instance, she's instantly lowered the temperature 200 degrees inside of a gun.  
 
 
All of this talk about Iceman being an omega mutant doesn't mean anything, to tell you the truth, if he doesn't have the stunts to back it up. Also, his energy manipulation is nothing compared to hers. Not to mention Ororo has created clothing out of thin air via electron manipulation. This is way beyond Iceman's powers. Her powers includes his powers and goes way beyond his by leaps and bounds. You still have not answered my question, what is Bobby going to do against a lightning bolt?
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#178  Edited By cracks
@Strafe Prower: Then that means that Iceman would win, because Storm tends to hold back. 
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#179  Edited By G-w-D
@Stormcell said:
"@G-w-D said:
"@Stormcell said:
"@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower:  Is Iceman more ruthless than Storm?
Well, Iceman's power is the control of all water and moisture as well as the chemical reaction including "thermic" energy,weather,for the most part is manipulation of the atmosphere's moist and temperature. So it is also possible that Iceman can deny her the use of her power.
  
I can't think of a think Storm can do here to hurt Bobby consistently. Wind and snow/rain won't do much more than power Bobby even more, and hasn't Bobby taken lightning before with nothing but momentary dispersal?

Storm on the other hand can get stopped by his standard ice beams.         
Storm has control over those things as well and has controlled them on a much bigger scale.  Iceman is not freezing Storm nor is he taking any moisture out of her body. She controls these things as well and has demonstrated much more powerful control.   Oh yea, Storm is immune to cold. There is canon that states she is immune to temperature variations and cannot be directly harmed by the weather. "
Bigger is not always better, For instance Iceman having complete control over thermokinetics on a molecule or lower level is a feat more impressive than storm dropping the tempreture in the local enviroment  Why don't you understand Icemans manipulation of Thermokinetic    is greater than Storms   Storm may be immune to tempreture produced by nature or her own manipulations but she is not gonna be immune to Bobby's     "
Storm has complete control over thermokinetics on lower levels as well. For instance, she's instantly lowered the temperature 200 degrees inside of a gun.    All of this talk about Iceman being an omega mutant doesn't mean anything, to tell you the truth, if he doesn't have the stunts to back it up. Also, his energy manipulation is nothing compared to hers. Not to mention Ororo has created clothing out of thin air via electron manipulation. This is way beyond Iceman's powers. Her powers includes his powers and goes way beyond his by leaps and bounds. You still have not answered my question, what is Bobby going to do against a lightning bolt? "

A gun you say? Thats not molecule level or Sub atomic though 
 
Against a lightning bolt Heat up the Air molecules around him creating intense air friction
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#181  Edited By Stormcell
@G-w-D said:
"@Stormcell said:
"@G-w-D said:
"@Stormcell said:
"@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower:  Is Iceman more ruthless than Storm?
Well, Iceman's power is the control of all water and moisture as well as the chemical reaction including "thermic" energy,weather,for the most part is manipulation of the atmosphere's moist and temperature. So it is also possible that Iceman can deny her the use of her power.
  
I can't think of a think Storm can do here to hurt Bobby consistently. Wind and snow/rain won't do much more than power Bobby even more, and hasn't Bobby taken lightning before with nothing but momentary dispersal?

Storm on the other hand can get stopped by his standard ice beams.         
Storm has control over those things as well and has controlled them on a much bigger scale.  Iceman is not freezing Storm nor is he taking any moisture out of her body. She controls these things as well and has demonstrated much more powerful control.   Oh yea, Storm is immune to cold. There is canon that states she is immune to temperature variations and cannot be directly harmed by the weather. "
Bigger is not always better, For instance Iceman having complete control over thermokinetics on a molecule or lower level is a feat more impressive than storm dropping the tempreture in the local enviroment  Why don't you understand Icemans manipulation of Thermokinetic    is greater than Storms   Storm may be immune to tempreture produced by nature or her own manipulations but she is not gonna be immune to Bobby's     "
Storm has complete control over thermokinetics on lower levels as well. For instance, she's instantly lowered the temperature 200 degrees inside of a gun.    All of this talk about Iceman being an omega mutant doesn't mean anything, to tell you the truth, if he doesn't have the stunts to back it up. Also, his energy manipulation is nothing compared to hers. Not to mention Ororo has created clothing out of thin air via electron manipulation. This is way beyond Iceman's powers. Her powers includes his powers and goes way beyond his by leaps and bounds. You still have not answered my question, what is Bobby going to do against a lightning bolt? "
A gun you say? Thats not molecule level or Sub atomic though  Against a lightning bolt Heat up the Air molecules around him creating intense air friction "

How is that going to stop a lightning bolt? Do you know what thunder is? That's the sonic boom you hear when the air is suddenly superheated by the lightning bolt.   
 
Okay, heat is generated by molecular movement and heat also creates molecular movement. Iceman can move the heat energy (so can Storm). However, Storm goes beyond that. Molecules are made up of atoms, which Storm can control. Here, she demonstrates that she can control the elements at the atomic level: http://img127.imageshack.us/i/scan0010wi4.jpg/  
Atoms are in turn composed of subatomic particles.  
Here, she creates clothing out of thin air via electron manipulation:  [IMG]http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/7398/molecularclothing9rg.jpg[/img] 
 
In short, Storm has everything Iceman has and then some. Furthermore, the notion that Iceman is an omega is really PIS. From what was established about omega mutants from the beginning is these are people who can match and possibly beat abstracts like Galactus in combat. There is no way Iceman could do this with his powerset. That was very stupid of Marvel to call him an omega. He doesn't have the power to back it up. Silver Surfer controls matter down to the molecular, atomic and subatomic level and has only a fraction of Galactus' power. Iceman can be beaten by anyone who can control atoms and subatomic particles.  
 
Even if we go by the whole "omega" thing for Iceman, he still doesn't have the power showings to beat Storm or even give her a run for her money.
 
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#182  Edited By Strafe Prower
@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower: Then that means that Iceman would win, because Storm tends to hold back.  "

Even if she didn't hold back, He could beat her, but in character, yes he does beat her.
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#183  Edited By Stormcell
@Strafe Prower said:
"@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower: Then that means that Iceman would win, because Storm tends to hold back.  "
Even if she didn't hold back, He could beat her, but in character, yes he does beat her. "

No way. Honestly, Storm vs. Iceman isn't even a hard fight. Storm beats him in her sleep.
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#184  Edited By Tevnoba
@Stormcell said:
" @Strafe Prower said:
"@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower: Then that means that Iceman would win, because Storm tends to hold back.  "
Even if she didn't hold back, He could beat her, but in character, yes he does beat her. "
No way. Honestly, Storm vs. Iceman isn't even a hard fight. Storm beats him in her sleep. "
Only if your delusional.
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#185  Edited By cracks
@Tevnoba: LOL.       %Pr
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@Stormcell said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower: Then that means that Iceman would win, because Storm tends to hold back.  "
Even if she didn't hold back, He could beat her, but in character, yes he does beat her. "
No way. Honestly, Storm vs. Iceman isn't even a hard fight. Storm beats him in her sleep. "

How have we not met before?
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#187  Edited By Matezoide2

Iceman wins with easy

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#188  Edited By geraldthesloth
@Matezoide said:
" Iceman wins with easy "
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#189  Edited By Tevnoba
@StormAmazonPhoenix said:
" @Stormcell said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@cracks said:
" @Strafe Prower: Then that means that Iceman would win, because Storm tends to hold back.  "
Even if she didn't hold back, He could beat her, but in character, yes he does beat her. "
No way. Honestly, Storm vs. Iceman isn't even a hard fight. Storm beats him in her sleep. "
How have we not met before? "
Because your both to oblivious to notice anything except your own words.
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#190  Edited By King Psyker

storm easy cause storm has Lightning and wind and she can fly 

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#191  Edited By cracks
@King Psyker: LOL.       %Pr
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#192  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@Matezoide said:
" Iceman wins with easy "
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#193  Edited By King Psyker

why would ice man win he is not that powerful

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#194  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@King Psyker said:
" why would ice man win he is not that powerful "
He's Omega level..what are you talking about?
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#195  Edited By King Psyker
@Vance Astro: 
So is storm
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#196  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@King Psyker said:
" @Vance Astro:  So is storm "
No she's not.
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#197  Edited By King Psyker
@Vance Astro said:
" @King Psyker said:
" @Vance Astro:  So is storm "
No she's not. "
She is 2nd in command of the X Men and way smarter
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#198  Edited By Noah Kenshiki

Iceman wins

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#199  Edited By Matezoide2
@King Psyker said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @King Psyker said:
" @Vance Astro:  So is storm "
No she's not. "
She is 2nd in command of the X Men and way smarter "
Iceman freezes her brain,end of fight
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#200  Edited By Stormcell
@Vance Astro said:
" @King Psyker said:
" @Vance Astro:  So is storm "
No she's not. "

While she has not been officially labelled that, she does potentially wield unlimited power.  
 
Also, Iceman is not freezing Storm at all. She can absorb heat and lightning to counter that or even fight him for control. What's to stop her from taking control of his body and completely destroying him same as she did to Hydroman?