Starkiller vs Raiden

• Starkiller has his lightsabers
• Raiden has his swords and support gear
• Both get all their game feats
• Both are in character
• No prep/prior knowledge
• No lightsabers slicing through swords
• Takes place in the city pictured below
• Start ten feet apart
• To the death/total incap

@silverrings: make sure to add Raiden gets his support gear. Otherwise it's a argument of Force vs a brick character.

Starkiller

dies

"No direct Force or lightsabers slicing through swords." Do people think it's impossible to beat a Force-wielder or something? You basically removed Starkiller's only advantage.

Without direct Force use Starkiller is screwed. It's like taking the ability to run away from the Flash

@banthabot: @snakeeyes4597: @sirfizzwhizz: How exactly do you three see the fight going down as it is? And how would it go down if Raiden had his support gear, as sirfizzwhizz suggested, and Starkiller had direct Force use? (P.S. I don't think it's impossible to beat Force users, but i did think this was the best starting point for the fight)

@maxxcveiler How come?

Come on, this is spite. Starkiller has no choice but to die.

@somayareece: I wasn't being spiteful at all, but the general consensus seems to suggest we should allow Starkiller direct Force use. I'll go ahead and change that now, the see what gets said.

@sirfizzwhizz I also gave Raiden his support gear.

Raiden would probably win even if Galen wasnt handicapped.

Using Force lightning on Raiden would be a horrible mistake as he literally produces lightning himself and it would probably only make raiden more powerful. Thats apart from the fact that Raiden can Just easily Blitz him since they start from 10 feet away.

'Killer ragdolls.

@mije_101: not really mate. Most TK Killer uses is in the thousand ton range. Something Raiden laughs at in blunt damage. Not that Killer EVER ragdolled anyone. I mean half the Jedi he killed he never Ragdolled at all lol. I don't think he could. Meanwhile Raiden launches Hypersonic spikes in the form of the rail gun while being TK anyway.

Not to mention Speed wise they are near equals, only difference in speed is what some SW fans like to think that their characters pushing near light speeds lmao. Though this been debunk time and again, even for legends.

Over all Killer might win unless He tries to block a sword swing and Killer ends up exploding from the force of it lol or Raiden can EMP grenade the Lightsabers and leave him defenseless from the get go.

Arguments can be made either way.

lmao

Starkiller has to be one of the most wanked characters in debate threads like i'm near positive that most of the people who wank him have absolutely no knowledge on the opposition character Raiden should win mid difficulty

lawl Raiden couldn't win this in a million years.

Starkiller becomes a flying human baseball, once they clash

Starkiller.

@silverrings: Hahaha Starkiller ends him, admittedly a decent fight

@gingerpenny: Forgot about this one :P what makes you think so?

Mismatch and spite. Raiden stomps.

Raidens far too fast for him and his durability makes him immune to light sabres. Force lightning will just charge raiden up more and Star Killers only hope is to try and BFR him with the force. Because if not he gets blitzed in a microsecond.

Not sure why this thread attracted all the trolls. (or maybe they really are oblivious SW fans)

Hypersonic. He Can deflect Railgun rounds from Fodder LQ 84s. In MGS2 The Portable Railgun that fortune uses fires projectiles at mach 42. The LQ 84s not only have a more futuristic railgun but also a larger one.

Hes also capable of Deflecting 30MM autocannon fire from metal gears for an unlimited amount of time.

As for movement speed he has jumped on top of and ran across barrages of missiles to destroy a target that fired them, He does that multiple times.

Hes also Caught up to a train while running on a wall.

Reaction speed wise he has also Dodged a helicopter while on top of a fighter jet and then Cut another Fighter jet that was chasing said helicopter that he just dodged. After that he fell down from thousands of feet and created a Crater in a city. He got right back up and started fighting again before they could even get to the crater that he created.

Hes far too fast for SK

Booooo! who cares about Starkiller lol

the guy below me is the frigging boss. I don't care if Starkiller can beat this guy below me.

@ordeith: Raiden should be higher than Mach 50 if what Low posted is true, making him massively hypersonic.

Where is it stated that Blasters are hypersonic? Cause in canon, they are slower than BB Guns.

The point is that EU is inconsistent so it has no standards and also...Ingame the blaster fire moves about as slow as it does in canon...

Its fairly well established. He couldnt hurt most fodder cyborgs in MGR let alone the bosses. Infact a Desperado Custom Cyborg would actually give vader a surprisingly tough fight. Thats apart from the fodder mechs that would nuke him right away.

Read the above.

Logical scaling would be using a consistent source. and the only consistent source is canon. Canon blaster bolts move terribly slow.

So you are telling me that EU Boba Fett can move at hypersonic speeds ? Because he was quite capable of dodging blasters on occasion in his stories. Sorry but EU blaster bolts are wildly inconsistent and you should know.

I am aware that force users can move at pretty ridiculous speeds. Hell Obi wan and Jinn where moving as fast as a racecar at full speed in The Phantom Menace. They just arent fast enough to jump across missiles,Dodge helicopters and planes running into them, or Cutting aircraft apart.

Still doesnt really change a thing. EU has no direction anymore. We can only go by what the writers themselves potray as lucas has nothing to do with SW at all anymore.

Raiden. His physicals are too much.

So what exactly am i looking at ?

The images are tiny

Do you have a larger pic ?

As awesome as Raiden is, Starkiller; he just doesn't have an answer for his TK.

BFR is literally the only way SK would win though. Raidens durability is absolutely out of SKs damage capacity.

@ordeith said:

@lowflyby

Ooo nice! but is there any scans or him actually doing more exotic things like actually jumping off of multiple missiles to reach a target ? Because this is the tier of speed we are talking about with raiden here.

@lowflyby: Even if he CAN'T disintegrate him, he can literally just hold him in place until he starves to death.

The only Human part of Raidens body is his brain... I think the Cyborg made of CNT and Nanotechnology will outlast SK.. Also TKing a robot down who is a 100+ tonner would likely drain SK's energy VERY FAST.

He Cant Desintegrate him.

1. That would drain SKs energy and 2. SK has no feats to suggest he can hurt some one with raidens durability and healing factor.

Scaling doesnt work when the 2 characters arent fromt he same verse.

Vader or Galen have done nothing to suggest they are even on par with his speed yet. Even those scans you posted where done only because of force augmentation and they werent even on par with Raidens feats anyway.

Oh just checked OP, Now this is even more of a stomp considering Star Killer is Incharacter which means he will probably run right in for a sabre duel rather than abusing his only chance of winning and Launching raiden out of the battlefield.

Except none of that matters because In TFU we see that those blaster bolts are not hypersonic at all and Galen never moves or reacts a hypersonic anywhere in the cutscenes or ingame fights.

Mind explaining why Galen never seems to posses this great speed even when facing certain death against sidious ?

The Reaching here is getting out of hand. If i wanted to i could bring up how raiden reacted to an fully automatic railgun in the MGS2 Novel/comic and claim that raiden is mach 100 in reactions before he even became a cyborg lol.

@ordeith: Still waiting for an explanation.