Starkiller vs Invincible

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Rules

  • Morals off
  • EOS Mark
  • No prep
  • No knowledge
  • To the death
  • Standard gear
  • Takes place on Tatooine

Round 1:

  • TFU 1 Galen

Round 2:

  • TFU 2 Galen
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#2 KillianDuclark  Online

Galen.

Faster, more versatile and has two weapons that can oneshot

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Starkiller ragdolls

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EoS as in end of the Amazon show's first season, right?

If so, he's still pretty weak, and would totally be ragdolled and fried with electricity by Starkiller.

Against the slightly weaker Galen, however, idk. I don't think lightsabers will cut through him (probably take multiple swings). But it might be a good fight.

As he is in the show currently, Starkiller takes this both rounds.

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@anderioan:

EoS as in end of the Amazon show's first season, right?

No, it's comic Mark

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Galen, for now.

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Galen, for now.

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What do you for now? This is not Amazon Mark but comics Mark. There is no for now. Both have no more new material to judge from...

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@anderioan: EoS as in End of series aka when he’s King and basically the most powerful character of the series

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#11  Edited By Baldur_Odinson

@kaijuking: Then "EOS" should be "EOCS," and not indicating "Series" as in his "Amazon Cartoon." That wasn't clear, even though "EOS" normally refers to an animated or live-action show. If it's indeed the "end of comic series," then Mark wins without breaking a sweat; if it's "end of (cartoon) series," then Mark gets ragdolled in both Rounds. Someone needs to edit the OP and change the meaning.

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@kaijuking: Then "EOS" should be "EOCS," and not indicating "Series" as in his "Amazon Cartoon." That wasn't clear, even though "EOS" normally refers to an animated or live-action show. If it's indeed the "end of comic series," then Mark wins without breaking a sweat; if it's "end of (cartoon) series," then Mark gets ragdolled in both Rounds. Someone needs to edit the OP and change the meaning.

Fair enough.

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@firefly894: @kaijuking: Well, in that case... allow me to reference my universal rules of universes here on CV.

in terms of battles (and just 'who would win in a fight', nothing else):

vast majority of comic book characters >> the vast majority of star wars characters >> the vast majority of atla characters >> the vast majority of game of thrones characters

This holds true for this battle as well. EoS Mark is beyond anything in Star Wars and that's perfectly fine. But this thread becomes pointless with that as the Match-up presented.

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@firefly894: @kaijuking: Well, in that case... allow me to reference my universal rules of universes here on CV.

in terms of battles (and just 'who would win in a fight', nothing else):

vast majority of comic book characters >> the vast majority of star wars characters >> the vast majority of atla characters >> the vast majority of game of thrones characters

This holds true for this battle as well. EoS Mark is beyond anything in Star Wars and that's perfectly fine. But this thread becomes pointless with that as the Match-up presented.

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@kaijuking said:
@killianduclark said:

Galen.

Faster, more versatile and has two weapons that can oneshot

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Starkiller ragdolls

Nice bait. Nice try.

It's true

Just like Flat Earth is true.

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I hear Star Wars debaters put out the most Greenhouse gasses with their bullshit than all of China.

Its bad....

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Not sure how this is really a debate. Mark curbs.

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Not sure how this is really a debate. Mark curbs.

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This fight just happen lol.

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Inb4 planet-level MFTL SK

Mark wrecks.

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King Mark can kill him pretty fast if he can really get his hands on him. But I don't think Starkiller would make that easy for him.

Not sure how effective Starkillers attacks would be on Mark. As he's not really a top tier in his verse.

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#21  Edited By Mee09

@anderioan: EOS Mark is absolutely not far beyond anything in Star Wars lol. There are legitimate Star Level characters in Star Wars. I don't even want to bring up ones like Abeloth.

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#22  Edited By kaijuking

@mee09: too bad you need beings like Abeloth, Father, Son, Bedlam Spirits..... Thats it to make a dent to the dozen casuals in Image titles. Mark is no way top of his universe either tbf.

As far a SK goes, Mark wrecks.

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@mee09 said:

@anderioan: EOS Mark is absolutely not far beyond anything in Star Wars lol. There are legitimate Star Level characters in Star Wars. I don't even want to bring up ones like Abeloth.

As I say with all CV SW fans who feel the need to bring up that idiotic, out of place, wannabe chaos-god to win a debate, the star wars movies are the original and total canon. People did not fall in love with a Jedi religion whose members could move almost as fast as light and destroy entire solar systems with ridiculous force powers, they fell in love with incredible movies that had an esoteric yet grounded magic system.

Bettering special effects to more realistically portray a Jedi's power is all well and good, but if what you are adding to the SW mythos would look out of place, if not idiotic, next to the pure canon (the movies), then you can safely say that what you are adding is not true to the Star Wars mythos. That goes double for ugly abe.

Open to any random page in the later three-quarters of Invincible's run and you'll find a feat from Mark that not even Galen Marek (who himself is cutting it dangerously close to crossing the above criteria within the SW-verse) could replicate.

No Star Wars character could stand against a comic book character like Superman, none of them, they're just playing on different levels, and that's perfectly alright. Mark is basically a mini-superman by the end of his series, so I'm wondering what in the world your thought process could have been to make this thread.

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#25  Edited By Eredin12

@baldur_odinson: Comic Mark would get stomped here as well, Starkiller was able to casually split an Imperial Star Destroyer in two with a single blast:

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Legends Star Destroyers are OP as hell, they can tank and overpower the gravitational force of a black hole, one outright noted to be capable of destroying planets :

Comic Mark is fodder in comparison with that:

  • Scan 1: Hurt by City busting energy
  • Scans 2-4: Dinosaurus (peer of Mark) thinks he'd be in extreme pain if hit by a Vegas busting explosion and Mark is coughing up blood and on his knees after being caught in part of it.
  • Scan 5: Needs help to push a ship into space

He is consistently a mid-tier. SK is also much faster, blasters in the EU have a number of Light speed confirmations yet someone like ROTS Obi-Wan can easily block blasters from the entire armies of 10 000 droids at once, while Vader has blitzed Ferus Olin, someone comparably fast to Obi-Wan, and Starkiller kept up with Vader while extremely weakened:

"Though the transparisteel in the doors at the end of the main hall he could see distant flashes, narrow red bolts heading one way at the speed of light." - The New Jedi Order: Enemy Lines II - Rebel Stand.

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"The wave of charged particles blew over her at lightspeed, nearly - but not quite - generating enough static to drown out Gavin's fierce cry of exultation." - The New Jedi Order: Edge of Victory - Book II.

"Luke pressed the trigger and held it down—then felt his jaw drop as bolts began to ricochet off the High Lord’s palm. It wasn’t the deflection of blasterfire with a bare hand that shocked him—he had fought plenty of Sith capable of that trick. What amazed Luke was the speed with which Taalon had moved. In the nanosecond it had taken the first bolt to cross the distance between them, the High Lord’s hand had risen to deflect it, traveling so fast that the appendage had literally seemed to disappear from one place and reappear in another." - Vortex.

Only ten thousand to go. Give or take. An instant later the Force had him hurtling through a storm of blasterfire as every combat droid in the control center opened up on him at once. Letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there... Leaping girder to girder, slashing cables on which to swing through swarms of ricocheting particle beams, blade flickering so fast it became a deflector shield that splattered blaster bolts in all directions, his presence alone became a weapon: as he spun and whirled through the control center's superstructure, the blasts of particle cannons from power droids destroyed equipment and shattered girders and unleashed a torrent of red-hot debris that crashed to the deck, crushing droids on all sides. By the time he flipped down through the air to land cat-footed on the deck once more, nearly half the droids between him and Grievous had been destroyed by their own not-so-friendly fire. He cut his way into the mob of remaining troops as smoothly as if it were no more than a canebrake near some sunlit beach; his steady pace left behind a trail of smoking slices of droid." -

Revenge of the Sith.

"He is a former associate, yes, but --"

It happened before he could get out another word. Faster than an eyeblink. Faster than he'd seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda.

The lightsaber hadn't been there, and then it was, and the lightsaber was a blur. Vader moved without seeming to move, and the lightsaber sliced into Roan, straight into his chest. Straight into his heart.

-- Last Of The Jedi: Secret Weapon

He charged.

His first blow was easily parried. He came at Vader again. Again. Circling, jumping, vaulting past him, turning. Each time his lightsaber came toward him, it was eilher deflected in a shock that ran up his arm, Vader simply wasn't there.

---- Last Of The Jedi: Reckoning

Ferus's Jedi training made him move quicker than an ordinary bystander, dodging almost in time with Obi-Wan.

We also saw that Mark or Thragg will get atomized by just going deeper in the core of a star, while Starkiller has 2 weapons as hot as the very core of a star which will easily one shot

Throughout the generations, lightsaber technology was refined from those first high-maintenance 'captive bolt' lightsabers to the lightweight modern lightsabers, which utilizes a stablized, massless plasma beam that burns as hot and bright as the core of a star.

- SW: Force & Destiny Core Rulebook

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#27  Edited By joshua755

@anderioan: so are you saying anything not movies not cannon what if there are characters with that power level of solar systems in novels comics games etc that are that power and in the Disney cannon currently and not legends do we not use them feats cause they are not the movies

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@eredin12: Why does it appear that SK's blast is going through a weapon which then fires?

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#29  Edited By Eredin12

@baldur_odinson: Here is explanation of context:

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At 18:09 we see how a normal shot from that cannon under its own power does absolutely nothing to an ISD, it no-sells it . At 18:15, a shot from the ISD disables the Salvation's cannon, depleting all energy from it, so Rahm Kota tells Starkiller to fire it himself, which he does at 18:36, resulting in the complete destruction of the ISD. The Prima Official Game Guide for the game also clarified that he did power the cannon with his lightning:

He put his own energy into that canon, making it far stronger than it normally is, so that it one-shots star Destroyer, while it is normally not sold by it. His energy is what destroyed it, meaning it is a feat for his lightning/power, one way above what comic Mark can do.

he also exerted enough force to prevent a big ship from entering hyperspace/ moving at MFTL speed, which it did instantly after he released the hold, overpowering something that can instantly move the ship at MFTL speeds is moon+ to planetary feat energy-wise , way above Mark

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He even drove EU Emperor to desperation in their clash, someone far above Invicinble verse

"Another staggering, painful step and the Emperor was within the apprentice's reach. With shaking fingers, he took the old man's bony shoulders in his hands and gripped them tight. The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations. The Emperor tipped back his head and howled in lascivious pain."

The Force Unleashed

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#30  Edited By heiqn

That's Deja vu

Same people are arguing characters of the same two verses with the same feats and statements AGAİN

OT = Starkiller

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@eredin12: Okay, he powered the weapon with his lightning. But, is the weapon firing just his lightning, or did his lightning heighten the weapon to increase the potency of the weapon's attack? It sounds like the latter, which would make it less impressive for me.

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#32  Edited By Eredin12

@baldur_odinson: I mean either way it would be pretty much just as impressive since the weapon would only be firing energy he put in it, then that energy would be doing all the destruction. The weapon had no energy of its own left and we saw that its own energy does nothing to Star Destroyer anyway, energy doing destruction came only from him

but if you look at the attack it fired it looks exactly like his Lightning as well:

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So it fired electricity/ lightning he put in it

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@eredin12: Just wanna point out, those are feats from the clone Starkiller

There are two rounds, one for the OG Galen (who struggled when bringing down a Star Destroyer) and one for the clone

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#34  Edited By Eredin12

@firefly894: End-of-game Galen that drove Emperor to desperation in their clash is comparable to Starkiller really:

"Another staggering, painful step and the Emperor was within the apprentice's reach. With shaking fingers, he took the old man's bony shoulders in his hands and gripped them tight. The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations. The Emperor tipped back his head and howled in lascivious pain."

The Force Unleashed

reason Galen struggled with his Star Destroyer feat in the first game is that he had to overpower its engines with his TK as well, see how you constantly need to pull Star Destroyer down in the video below, once you stop due to X wing attacking you, it just goes back in the position it was before( most annoying boss fight for me due to that lol) the same ones that overpowered the gravitational force of planet busting black hole, as well as him being pre-prime then( he grows stronger later in the game) and being weakened by using his force reserves on a number of tasks before that feat:

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Starkiller wins for all the reasons stated above. Higher AP, faster and more skilled.

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@eredin12: I'm not sure about that. Empowering the weapon with his lightning made the weapon more powerful than simply using his lightning by itself. Why would the effect stay the same?

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SK scale's below Jedi Knights/Master's that were getting bodied by clone-troopers during order 66. Invincible is > those clone-troopers. Thus Invincible>Starkiller.

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#38  Edited By Eredin12

@baldur_odinson:

@eredin12: I'm not sure about that. Empowering the weapon with his lightning made the weapon more powerful than simply using his lightning by itself.Why would the effect stay the same?

It did not though, you see this is just a weapon, not energy making Reactor that operates on Perpetuum mobile Principe, this weapon cannot increase energy put in it magically, it can only use and fire it, while for what you said to be the case it would need to be able to magically take energy put in it by SK and then increase it out of thin air to greater extents, basically self-powering Perpetuum mobile which would just magically and constantly increase energy in it and never run out of gas, something that does not exist in SW.

It simply is not made for that, it only used the energy he put in it and fired that same amount of energy, hence why the energy it fired is not more powerful than the energy he put in it with his lightning.

That, and the feat of him overpowering engine that can move the large ship at MFTL speed is way above comic Mark, not to mention saber being as hot as the core of a star, we saw Thragg who is as strong as Mark getting atomized by much smaller temperatures in sun, way before the core itself.

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@eredin12: It's a good thing I'm not arguing for Mark, then.

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@eredin12: It's a good thing I'm not arguing for Mark, then.

Ah, I see. Do you agree that SK wins then if I may ask?

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@eredin12: Wow, aside from Galen giving Sheev a hard time, there's a lot of stuff i disagree with

But since it's my own thread, let's just agree to disagree for now

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#42  Edited By Eredin12

@firefly894: Sure thing, you can tell me that in PMs if you wish

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@eredin12 said:
@baldur_odinson said:

@eredin12: It's a good thing I'm not arguing for Mark, then.

Ah, I see. Do you agree that SK wins then if I may ask?

Yeah, for the most part.

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#44  Edited By kaijuking

I love how Eredin argues Lightsabers will work easy. Taking the sun feat out of context as usual like most dingle berrys.

Its stated in canon material Viltrumites smart atom bodies break down with prolong exposure to sun tempratures.

Mark and Thragg flew through the Chronasphere, second hottest part of the sun and battle for 20 plus pages on the sun surface while being hit by 1000 nuke strong solar flares.

Add to this Dinosuarus feat had bombs burn so hot they flash vaporise a entire Las Vegas city. All the concrete, metals, stones, ect vaporise. Thats how hot it was and did no damage to Mark.

A lightsaber will one shot? Stupidity to the max. Anyone saying others, trolling.

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#45  Edited By Eredin12

Chronosphere at its hottest reaches temperature of 35 000 K

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While core, just like a lightsaber has a temperature of more than 15 million K, more than 428 times hotter:

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That is like the difference between less than 1 C, meaning freezing Winter, and 428 C, which would evaporate you. Even by temperatures present in places way before core Thragg was atomized in seconds, the temperature in the core makes the temperature of part of the sun that atomized Thragg look like Winter in Russia, so yea they will get one-shotted by a hit from Lightsaber. In fact, the lightsaber is even able to cut through material so dense that it warps the fabric of space and time:

"As a Jedi shuttle settled to the landing deck outside, the shadow sent its mind into the far deeper night within one of the several pieces of sculpture that graced the office: an abstract twist of solid neuranium, so heavy that the office floor had been specially reinforced to bear its weight, so dense that more sensitive species might, from very close range, actually percieve the tiny warping of the fabric of space-time that was its gravitation. Neuranium of more than roughly a millimeter thick is impervious to sensors; the standard security scans undergone by all equipment and furniture to enter the Senate Office Building had shown nothing at all. If anyone had thought to use an advanced gravimetric detector, however, they might have discovered that one smallish section of the sculpture massed slightly less than it should have, given that the manifest that had accompanied it, when it was brought from Naboo among the then-ambassador's personal effects, clearly stated that it was a single piece of solid-forged neuranium. The manifest was a lie. The sculpture was not entirely solid, and not all of it was neuranium. Within a long, slim, rod-shaped cavity around which the sculpture had been forged rested a device that had lain, waiting, in absolute darkness-darkness beyond darkness-for decades. Waiting for night to fall on the Republic. The shadow felt Jedi Masters stride the vast echoic emptiness of the vaulted halls outside. It could practically hear the cadence of their boot heels on the Alderaanian marble. The darkness within the sculpture whispered of the shape and the feel and every intimate resonance of the device it cradled With a twist of its will, the shadow triggered the device. The neuranium got warm. A small round spot, smaller than the circle a human child might make of thumb and forefinger, turned the color of old blood. Then fresh blood. Then open flame. Finally a spear of scarlet energy lanced free, painting the office with the color of stars seen through the smoke of burning planets. The spear of energy lengthened, drawing with it out from the darkness the device, then the scarlet blade shrank away and the device slid itself within the softer darkness of a sleeve." - Revenge of the Sith.

Vaporizing a large city is a country-level, Mark was only hit by part of a series of explosions that did that and he was literally coughing up blood on his knees, that or 1000 worth of Nukes ( which is large island level assuming all of those would be tsars and not you know, average nukes) is nothing to Imperial Star Destroyers which Starkiller fodderizes:

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#46  Edited By kaijuking

@eredin12: Your such a clown. You really want to tag me? Get wreck then as usual.

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https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/nmp/st5/SCIENCE/sun.html

Atmosphere:the chromosphere is the innermost atmospheric layer. It is just above the photosphere. Here the temperature begins to rise again, to about 36,000 degrees F. Above the chromosphere is the transistion layer, where temperatures increase 6000 to over half-a-million degrees. Gases in this layer shine in the ultraviolet and extreme ultraviolet wavelengths. The outermost atmospheric layer is the corona, which gets really hot, almost 2,000,000 degrees F. This is where the solar wind begins. These layers can only be seen during total solar eclipses. Here is where we see towering masses of luminous gas, called filaments or prominences, on the solar limb against the dark sky.

Invincible and Thragg flew through the entire Atmosphere of the sun to the sun surface. Tempratures range from coldest 9000 degrees to half a million. 2 million degrees at the outer most layer!!!!

Stop your lying for once. Shit man....

Lightsaber vs Viltrumite Smart Atoms

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Thanks to Smart Atoms that make up Viltrumite bodies, Mark is able to survive no problem at surface sun temperatures with no damage. No issues. If the temperatures climb too high they mess with the Smart Atom sub atomic process.

Weakest Version of Invincible tanks a taser powered by a being ten times more powerful than lightning. Ten time more powerful? Lightning burns at 50,000 degrees. Times ten that is casual 500,000 degrees, and yet no damage to Mark or the alien inside his brain he spits out.

Viltrumite War Mark casually tanks a explosive blast so powerful and hot, that is VAPORIZED a city. Not blow up or wrecked, vaporized, all physical matter turn to gas, a city as large as Las Vegas. Mark was not even injured really. No lasting damage, just a single flem of blood. These heat feat >>>>>>>>> Lightsaber every day.

Omni-Man is able to withstand Mean Supreme's heat beams, beams stated in the comic that can reach hot as the sun itself. Omni Man tanks these blasts fine.

Eve Upgrade Mark. These are but a handful of pages. In 23 pages total Thragg and Invincible fight through the Corona Sphere and onto the Sun Surface. first 5 pages of the fight take place in the Corona Sphere which has temperatures 2,000,000° F at its peak. Next 18 pages take place on the Sun's Surface with is 9,940° F. It was not until few pages later Invincible dunk Thragg past the sun's surface, where they both start to burn badly. They continue to fight and burn 12 more pages before Thragg burns Add to this feat of Temperatures, is the Solar Flares. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9owdmL2UWQ Solar Flares are stated by Science Channel to erupt at speeds of 4.5 million mph, and with the force of thousands (low end) to millions (higher end) modern day nukes. Thragg and Mark tank this. Multiple times. While their Smart Atoms were breaking down from sun temps.

So your saying this weapon here....

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Oh that Lightsaber is soooooooo hoooooot. look how it takes... forever to burn through "dura steel". LMAO.

Also this lie of Star Destoyers planet cracking and shit....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FM5bksrImg

"Entire Starfleet could not destroy a planet. It take a 1000 ships with more firepower than I..." - Han Solo, A New Hope

Yet you Eredin want to pretend these Starships are Blackhole durable and crack planets? They cannot bust planets in the thousands, or the 25,000 SDs that make up the entire Starfleet as Han said. GTHO with your lies and wank and misinfo.

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@merulezall said:

Not sure how this is really a debate. Mark curbs.

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Starkiller and Mark re enacted.

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#47  Edited By Eredin12

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Invincible and Thragg flew through the entire Atmosphere of the sun to the sun surface. Tempratures range from coldest 9000 degrees to half a million. 2 million degrees at the outer most layer!!!!

Stop your lying for once. Shit man....

Fizz let me teach you a thing or two for one last time, they flew through the Atmosphere at FTL speed, the temperature of it was irrelevant due to them being exposed to it only for fraction of a second, that is why normal humans tank lightning which has a temperature of a 30 000 C. That is the same as how this random escape pod also no sold flying through that same Atmosphere of the sun in the EU:

That is a random escape pod, while a lightsaber can cut through the shielded hull of a Captial Ship such as CIS Dreadnought like through a paper:

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that is why Thragg and Mark were not burned by the Atmosphere while the temperature bit deeper in Sun, that was around 36 000K burned them both horribly, and going a bit more in it atomized Thragg.

You see here, unlike with an atmosphere lightsaber will be on his body for a bit more time and erase his head from existence, just like with ship above that has the same feats. This scan further backs my point, saying they can only maintain normal function on the surface of the star, not deep in it or in Corona:

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Weakest Version of Invincible tanks a taser powered by a being ten times more powerful than lightning. Ten time more powerful? Lightning burns at 50,000 degrees. Times ten that is casual 500,000 degrees, and yet no damage to Mark or the alien inside his brain he spits out.

Normal Humans can tank Lightning, Roy Cleveland Sullivan (February 7, 1912 – September 28, 1983) was a United States park ranger in Shenandoah National Park in Virginia. Sullivan was hit by lightning on seven occasions and survived all of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan

Am i supossed to be impresed?

Viltrumite War Mark casually tanks a explosive blast so powerful and hot, that is VAPORIZED a city. Not blow up or wrecked, vaporized, all physical matter turn to gas, a city as large as Las Vegas. Mark was not even injured really. No lasting damage, just a single flem of blood. These heat feat >>>>>>>>> Lightsaber every day.

Who are you trying to fool? Mark was literally coughing blood and he was only hit by one of these several explosions around the city that did this, this is just country-level energy he took at best, nothing to what Star Destroyers and other Captial Ships can tank with no damage while Sabers can them with ease:

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And no I don't care about a crossover with Supreme that contradicts feats in actual IC itself, we've seen characters get lowballed many times in crossovers:

Oh that Lightsaber is soooooooo hoooooot. look how it takes... forever to burn through "dura steel". LMAO.

So best you can bring in all SW threads you comment in is something from the movies, which could just be a feat for that alien material anyway and Han Solo in the very first SW movie before EU or any lore even existed saying something? While I have actual EU to bring back while backing EU guys, not something a random character said either but actual feats and confirmation by OOU sources and omniscient narrator, i wonder what matters the more...

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I am done with you, go cope with your buddy MErulezall

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Im done with sombody who wanks shit with mental gymnastics and then lowballs Invincible without knowing the facts or context.

Here is a final thought. How is it you need all these mental gymnastics and feats or statements to scale SW characters? SW that have dozen films, dozen shows, hundreds of games, hundreds of novels, and thousands of comics. You need all that for handful of questinable logical conclusions.

Yet Invincible has less than 200 comics and a single 8 episode show, and still have more clear cut high tier feats and scaling?

Why is that??? 🤔

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Black hole+ level durability on the ships in star wars eh. Right.

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#50  Edited By Eredin12

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So when it comes to Star Wars direct scaling, as in character A destroys object B, which can tank this, so character A scales above that is " mental gymnastics" but when it comes to Invincible same kind of scaling is completely fine for guys like Thragg and others? There we can even bring up questionable crossovers to scale them, but in SW we cannot even use feats in one single continuity to do the same.

Fair, just so we know that principles do not exist Fizz.

Yet Invincible has less than 200 comics and a single 8 episode show, and still have more clear cut high tier feats and scaling?

Because destroying cities/ mountains/islands is more clear-cut high tier than an on-screen overpowering engine that instantly after he releases hold moves large ship at MFTL speed? Or scaling way above feats like Darth Plagueis shaking stars with TK wave, changing climate of the entire planet with his mere presence, Bane surface busting feats etc