Rules
- Morals off
- EOS Mark
- No prep
- No knowledge
- To the death
- Standard gear
- Takes place on Tatooine
Round 1:
- TFU 1 Galen
Round 2:
- TFU 2 Galen
Starkiller vs Invincible
Galen, for now.
@baldur_odinson said:
Galen, for now.
What do you for now? This is not Amazon Mark but comics Mark. There is no for now. Both have no more new material to judge from...
@anderioan said:
@firefly894: @kaijuking: Well, in that case... allow me to reference my universal rules of universes here on CV.
This holds true for this battle as well. EoS Mark is beyond anything in Star Wars and that's perfectly fine. But this thread becomes pointless with that as the Match-up presented.
@theashensecond said:
@kaijuking said:
@killianduclark said:
Galen.
Faster, more versatile and has two weapons that can oneshot
@theashensecond said:
Starkiller ragdolls
Nice bait. Nice try.
It's true
Just like Flat Earth is true.
I hear Star Wars debaters put out the most Greenhouse gasses with their bullshit than all of China.
Its bad....
@merulezall said:
Not sure how this is really a debate. Mark curbs.
This fight just happen lol.
@baldur_odinson: Comic Mark would get stomped here as well, Starkiller was able to casually split an Imperial Star Destroyer in two with a single blast:
Legends Star Destroyers are OP as hell, they can tank and overpower the gravitational force of a black hole, one outright noted to be capable of destroying planets :
Comic Mark is fodder in comparison with that:
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- Scan 1: Hurt by City busting energy
- Scans 2-4: Dinosaurus (peer of Mark) thinks he'd be in extreme pain if hit by a Vegas busting explosion and Mark is coughing up blood and on his knees after being caught in part of it.
- Scan 5: Needs help to push a ship into space
He is consistently a mid-tier. SK is also much faster, blasters in the EU have a number of Light speed confirmations yet someone like ROTS Obi-Wan can easily block blasters from the entire armies of 10 000 droids at once, while Vader has blitzed Ferus Olin, someone comparably fast to Obi-Wan, and Starkiller kept up with Vader while extremely weakened:
"Though the transparisteel in the doors at the end of the main hall he could see distant flashes, narrow red bolts heading one way at the speed of light." - The New Jedi Order: Enemy Lines II - Rebel Stand.
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"The wave of charged particles blew over her at lightspeed, nearly - but not quite - generating enough static to drown out Gavin's fierce cry of exultation." - The New Jedi Order: Edge of Victory - Book II.
"Luke pressed the trigger and held it down—then felt his jaw drop as bolts began to ricochet off the High Lord’s palm. It wasn’t the deflection of blasterfire with a bare hand that shocked him—he had fought plenty of Sith capable of that trick. What amazed Luke was the speed with which Taalon had moved. In the nanosecond it had taken the first bolt to cross the distance between them, the High Lord’s hand had risen to deflect it, traveling so fast that the appendage had literally seemed to disappear from one place and reappear in another." - Vortex.
Only ten thousand to go. Give or take. An instant later the Force had him hurtling through a storm of blasterfire as every combat droid in the control center opened up on him at once. Letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there... Leaping girder to girder, slashing cables on which to swing through swarms of ricocheting particle beams, blade flickering so fast it became a deflector shield that splattered blaster bolts in all directions, his presence alone became a weapon: as he spun and whirled through the control center's superstructure, the blasts of particle cannons from power droids destroyed equipment and shattered girders and unleashed a torrent of red-hot debris that crashed to the deck, crushing droids on all sides. By the time he flipped down through the air to land cat-footed on the deck once more, nearly half the droids between him and Grievous had been destroyed by their own not-so-friendly fire. He cut his way into the mob of remaining troops as smoothly as if it were no more than a canebrake near some sunlit beach; his steady pace left behind a trail of smoking slices of droid." -
Revenge of the Sith.
"He is a former associate, yes, but --"
It happened before he could get out another word. Faster than an eyeblink. Faster than he'd seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda.
The lightsaber hadn't been there, and then it was, and the lightsaber was a blur. Vader moved without seeming to move, and the lightsaber sliced into Roan, straight into his chest. Straight into his heart.
-- Last Of The Jedi: Secret Weapon
He charged.
His first blow was easily parried. He came at Vader again. Again. Circling, jumping, vaulting past him, turning. Each time his lightsaber came toward him, it was eilher deflected in a shock that ran up his arm, Vader simply wasn't there.
---- Last Of The Jedi: Reckoning
Ferus's Jedi training made him move quicker than an ordinary bystander, dodging almost in time with Obi-Wan.
We also saw that Mark or Thragg will get atomized by just going deeper in the core of a star, while Starkiller has 2 weapons as hot as the very core of a star which will easily one shot
Throughout the generations, lightsaber technology was refined from those first high-maintenance 'captive bolt' lightsabers to the lightweight modern lightsabers, which utilizes a stablized, massless plasma beam that burns as hot and bright as the core of a star.
- SW: Force & Destiny Core Rulebook
@baldur_odinson: Here is explanation of context:
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At 18:09 we see how a normal shot from that cannon under its own power does absolutely nothing to an ISD, it no-sells it . At 18:15, a shot from the ISD disables the Salvation's cannon, depleting all energy from it, so Rahm Kota tells Starkiller to fire it himself, which he does at 18:36, resulting in the complete destruction of the ISD. The Prima Official Game Guide for the game also clarified that he did power the cannon with his lightning:
He put his own energy into that canon, making it far stronger than it normally is, so that it one-shots star Destroyer, while it is normally not sold by it. His energy is what destroyed it, meaning it is a feat for his lightning/power, one way above what comic Mark can do.
he also exerted enough force to prevent a big ship from entering hyperspace/ moving at MFTL speed, which it did instantly after he released the hold, overpowering something that can instantly move the ship at MFTL speeds is moon+ to planetary feat energy-wise , way above Mark
He even drove EU Emperor to desperation in their clash, someone far above Invicinble verse
"Another staggering, painful step and the Emperor was within the apprentice's reach. With shaking fingers, he took the old man's bony shoulders in his hands and gripped them tight. The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations. The Emperor tipped back his head and howled in lascivious pain."
The Force Unleashed
@baldur_odinson: I mean either way it would be pretty much just as impressive since the weapon would only be firing energy he put in it, then that energy would be doing all the destruction. The weapon had no energy of its own left and we saw that its own energy does nothing to Star Destroyer anyway, energy doing destruction came only from him
but if you look at the attack it fired it looks exactly like his Lightning as well:
So it fired electricity/ lightning he put in it
@firefly894: End-of-game Galen that drove Emperor to desperation in their clash is comparable to Starkiller really:
"Another staggering, painful step and the Emperor was within the apprentice's reach. With shaking fingers, he took the old man's bony shoulders in his hands and gripped them tight. The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations. The Emperor tipped back his head and howled in lascivious pain."
The Force Unleashed
reason Galen struggled with his Star Destroyer feat in the first game is that he had to overpower its engines with his TK as well, see how you constantly need to pull Star Destroyer down in the video below, once you stop due to X wing attacking you, it just goes back in the position it was before( most annoying boss fight for me due to that lol) the same ones that overpowered the gravitational force of planet busting black hole, as well as him being pre-prime then( he grows stronger later in the game) and being weakened by using his force reserves on a number of tasks before that feat:
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Chronosphere at its hottest reaches temperature of 35 000 K
While core, just like a lightsaber has a temperature of more than 15 million K, more than 428 times hotter:
That is like the difference between less than 1 C, meaning freezing Winter, and 428 C, which would evaporate you. Even by temperatures present in places way before core Thragg was atomized in seconds, the temperature in the core makes the temperature of part of the sun that atomized Thragg look like Winter in Russia, so yea they will get one-shotted by a hit from Lightsaber. In fact, the lightsaber is even able to cut through material so dense that it warps the fabric of space and time:
"As a Jedi shuttle settled to the landing deck outside, the shadow sent its mind into the far deeper night within one of the several pieces of sculpture that graced the office: an abstract twist of solid neuranium, so heavy that the office floor had been specially reinforced to bear its weight, so dense that more sensitive species might, from very close range, actually percieve the tiny warping of the fabric of space-time that was its gravitation. Neuranium of more than roughly a millimeter thick is impervious to sensors; the standard security scans undergone by all equipment and furniture to enter the Senate Office Building had shown nothing at all. If anyone had thought to use an advanced gravimetric detector, however, they might have discovered that one smallish section of the sculpture massed slightly less than it should have, given that the manifest that had accompanied it, when it was brought from Naboo among the then-ambassador's personal effects, clearly stated that it was a single piece of solid-forged neuranium. The manifest was a lie. The sculpture was not entirely solid, and not all of it was neuranium. Within a long, slim, rod-shaped cavity around which the sculpture had been forged rested a device that had lain, waiting, in absolute darkness-darkness beyond darkness-for decades. Waiting for night to fall on the Republic. The shadow felt Jedi Masters stride the vast echoic emptiness of the vaulted halls outside. It could practically hear the cadence of their boot heels on the Alderaanian marble. The darkness within the sculpture whispered of the shape and the feel and every intimate resonance of the device it cradled With a twist of its will, the shadow triggered the device. The neuranium got warm. A small round spot, smaller than the circle a human child might make of thumb and forefinger, turned the color of old blood. Then fresh blood. Then open flame. Finally a spear of scarlet energy lanced free, painting the office with the color of stars seen through the smoke of burning planets. The spear of energy lengthened, drawing with it out from the darkness the device, then the scarlet blade shrank away and the device slid itself within the softer darkness of a sleeve." - Revenge of the Sith.
Vaporizing a large city is a country-level, Mark was only hit by part of a series of explosions that did that and he was literally coughing up blood on his knees, that or 1000 worth of Nukes ( which is large island level assuming all of those would be tsars and not you know, average nukes) is nothing to Imperial Star Destroyers which Starkiller fodderizes:
@eredin12: Your such a clown. You really want to tag me? Get wreck then as usual.
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/nmp/st5/SCIENCE/sun.html
Atmosphere:the chromosphere is the innermost atmospheric layer. It is just above the photosphere. Here the temperature begins to rise again, to about 36,000 degrees F. Above the chromosphere is the transistion layer, where temperatures increase 6000 to over half-a-million degrees. Gases in this layer shine in the ultraviolet and extreme ultraviolet wavelengths. The outermost atmospheric layer is the corona, which gets really hot, almost 2,000,000 degrees F. This is where the solar wind begins. These layers can only be seen during total solar eclipses. Here is where we see towering masses of luminous gas, called filaments or prominences, on the solar limb against the dark sky.
Invincible and Thragg flew through the entire Atmosphere of the sun to the sun surface. Tempratures range from coldest 9000 degrees to half a million. 2 million degrees at the outer most layer!!!!
Stop your lying for once. Shit man....
Lightsaber vs Viltrumite Smart Atoms
Thanks to Smart Atoms that make up Viltrumite bodies, Mark is able to survive no problem at surface sun temperatures with no damage. No issues. If the temperatures climb too high they mess with the Smart Atom sub atomic process.
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Weakest Version of Invincible tanks a taser powered by a being ten times more powerful than lightning. Ten time more powerful? Lightning burns at 50,000 degrees. Times ten that is casual 500,000 degrees, and yet no damage to Mark or the alien inside his brain he spits out.
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Viltrumite War Mark casually tanks a explosive blast so powerful and hot, that is VAPORIZED a city. Not blow up or wrecked, vaporized, all physical matter turn to gas, a city as large as Las Vegas. Mark was not even injured really. No lasting damage, just a single flem of blood. These heat feat >>>>>>>>> Lightsaber every day.
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Omni-Man is able to withstand Mean Supreme's heat beams, beams stated in the comic that can reach hot as the sun itself. Omni Man tanks these blasts fine.
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Eve Upgrade Mark. These are but a handful of pages. In 23 pages total Thragg and Invincible fight through the Corona Sphere and onto the Sun Surface. first 5 pages of the fight take place in the Corona Sphere which has temperatures 2,000,000° F at its peak. Next 18 pages take place on the Sun's Surface with is 9,940° F. It was not until few pages later Invincible dunk Thragg past the sun's surface, where they both start to burn badly. They continue to fight and burn 12 more pages before Thragg burns Add to this feat of Temperatures, is the Solar Flares. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9owdmL2UWQ Solar Flares are stated by Science Channel to erupt at speeds of 4.5 million mph, and with the force of thousands (low end) to millions (higher end) modern day nukes. Thragg and Mark tank this. Multiple times. While their Smart Atoms were breaking down from sun temps.
So your saying this weapon here....
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Oh that Lightsaber is soooooooo hoooooot. look how it takes... forever to burn through "dura steel". LMAO.
Also this lie of Star Destoyers planet cracking and shit....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FM5bksrImg
"Entire Starfleet could not destroy a planet. It take a 1000 ships with more firepower than I..." - Han Solo, A New Hope
Yet you Eredin want to pretend these Starships are Blackhole durable and crack planets? They cannot bust planets in the thousands, or the 25,000 SDs that make up the entire Starfleet as Han said. GTHO with your lies and wank and misinfo.
@kaijuking said:
Invincible and Thragg flew through the entire Atmosphere of the sun to the sun surface. Tempratures range from coldest 9000 degrees to half a million. 2 million degrees at the outer most layer!!!!
Stop your lying for once. Shit man....
Fizz let me teach you a thing or two for one last time, they flew through the Atmosphere at FTL speed, the temperature of it was irrelevant due to them being exposed to it only for fraction of a second, that is why normal humans tank lightning which has a temperature of a 30 000 C. That is the same as how this random escape pod also no sold flying through that same Atmosphere of the sun in the EU:
That is a random escape pod, while a lightsaber can cut through the shielded hull of a Captial Ship such as CIS Dreadnought like through a paper:
that is why Thragg and Mark were not burned by the Atmosphere while the temperature bit deeper in Sun, that was around 36 000K burned them both horribly, and going a bit more in it atomized Thragg.
You see here, unlike with an atmosphere lightsaber will be on his body for a bit more time and erase his head from existence, just like with ship above that has the same feats. This scan further backs my point, saying they can only maintain normal function on the surface of the star, not deep in it or in Corona:
Weakest Version of Invincible tanks a taser powered by a being ten times more powerful than lightning. Ten time more powerful? Lightning burns at 50,000 degrees. Times ten that is casual 500,000 degrees, and yet no damage to Mark or the alien inside his brain he spits out.
Normal Humans can tank Lightning, Roy Cleveland Sullivan (February 7, 1912 – September 28, 1983) was a United States park ranger in Shenandoah National Park in Virginia. Sullivan was hit by lightning on seven occasions and survived all of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan
Am i supossed to be impresed?
Viltrumite War Mark casually tanks a explosive blast so powerful and hot, that is VAPORIZED a city. Not blow up or wrecked, vaporized, all physical matter turn to gas, a city as large as Las Vegas. Mark was not even injured really. No lasting damage, just a single flem of blood. These heat feat >>>>>>>>> Lightsaber every day.
Who are you trying to fool? Mark was literally coughing blood and he was only hit by one of these several explosions around the city that did this, this is just country-level energy he took at best, nothing to what Star Destroyers and other Captial Ships can tank with no damage while Sabers can them with ease:
And no I don't care about a crossover with Supreme that contradicts feats in actual IC itself, we've seen characters get lowballed many times in crossovers:
Oh that Lightsaber is soooooooo hoooooot. look how it takes... forever to burn through "dura steel". LMAO.
So best you can bring in all SW threads you comment in is something from the movies, which could just be a feat for that alien material anyway and Han Solo in the very first SW movie before EU or any lore even existed saying something? While I have actual EU to bring back while backing EU guys, not something a random character said either but actual feats and confirmation by OOU sources and omniscient narrator, i wonder what matters the more...
I am done with you, go cope with your buddy MErulezall
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