Starkiller vs Cal Kestis clones

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Starkiller fights waves of Cal Kestis clones. At what point does he get overwhelmed?

R1- 2 clones

R2- 7 clones

R3- 25 clones

R4- 50 clones

R5- 100 clones

R6- 300 clones

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#2 Mo_Ali  Online

Stops at round 2 or 3 as powerful as he is cmon

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Stops at R3 for sure, 25 is a big jump from 7

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Clears.

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A full powered SK would clear

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Star killer was strong but taking on 300 mid-high tier jedi knights? He was never that strong. Definitely 3. Cal was solidly above an inquisitor but way weaker than vader.

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7 probably. No chancr

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#8  Edited By ferriserris

Stops at round 3 probably

I think he can take 7 tbh, Sidious was able to take 5 Jedi Masters

Cal Kestis literally got ragdolled by Vader efortlessly. Starkiller is above Vader in force power for sure, and far above Cal in Sabers.

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@co-boss said:

Star killer was strong but taking on 300 mid-high tier jedi knights? He was never that strong. Definitely 3. Cal was solidly above an inquisitor but way weaker than vader.

Starkiller already beat an army of his own clones in The Force Unleashed 2.

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@killbilly: when was that and how many did he fight, as I said it’s been a bit so I don’t remember all the details

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#11  Edited By KillBilly

@co-boss said:

@killbilly: when was that and how many did he fight, as I said it’s been a bit so I don’t remember all the details

It doesn't specify though it's described as an "army" with there being rows upon rows of them.

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"The Dark Lord was standing out of Starkiller's reach. Instead of attacking, he gestured at the rows of cloning tanks beside him. Lights flickered on inside them, revealing row after row of identical forms. Clad in stripped-down version of his former training suit and attached via tubes to complex feeders and breathers, they hung weightlessly in transparent fluid, twitching occasionally in their sleep.

Starkiller felt a shock of recognition jolt through him. These weren't stormtroopers. They were him. Incomplete, and oddly-warped from true, but definitely him. Vader gestured again, and the clones' eyes opened." - The Force Unleashed II.

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When he unleashed a Force Repulse that destroyed the clones it created "an ocean of blood" and caused the air to be misted red and all the surrounding surfaces to be coated in blood.

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"He sought strength from within himself, and pushed outward with all his might. Clones went flying. The empty rubes from which they had emerged shattered into millions of pieces. Platforms buckled and fell with reverberant crashes. The interior of the cloning tower rang as though struck with a giant hammer. Every muscle in his body shook with the effort of it.

The echoes faded, and he felt a peculiar kind of quiet descend.

The air was misted red, and every surface was slick with blood. He tasted it on his tongue and smelled it in his nose. His blood. A veritable ocean of it." - The Force Unleashed II

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@killbilly: what I have always disliked about people fighting their own clone is if they were a legit clone, you could probably beat one due to experience or if you have special equipment, but how do you fight a bunch of people with all your stats and skill that think the same way as you. That's more of a rant over genre and tropes than anything battle-related. Could starkiller oneshot himself with a force blast? He couldn't do that to Vader who he is a little bit above. So, were these clones not connected to the force, or weak? I would go with both, Starkiller was used because he was the most successful clone of Galen Marek. Some of the clones shown in the trailer didn't even have skin yet, so some may not have even been developed. While these ones seem to be alive and ready for use, Starkiller described them as incomplete. It's a great force feat but I don't really know how to quantify it as they are featless clones.

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@co-boss said:

@killbilly: what I have always disliked about people fighting their own clone is if they were a legit clone, you could probably beat one due to experience or if you have special equipment, but how do you fight a bunch of people with all your stats and skill that think the same way as you. That's more of a rant over genre and tropes than anything battle-related. Could starkiller oneshot himself with a force blast? He couldn't do that to Vader who he is a little bit above. So, were these clones not connected to the force, or weak? I would go with both, Starkiller was used because he was the most successful clone of Galen Marek. Some of the clones shown in the trailer didn't even have skin yet, so some may not have even been developed. While these ones seem to be alive and ready for use, Starkiller described them as incomplete. It's a great force feat but I don't really know how to quantify it as they are featless clones.

Well, to be fair, he had just expended most of his energy reserves prior to facing Vader to the point that he was physically shaking with exhaustion.

"The tips of his lightsabers shook. He had never felt so exhausted, at every level of his being. He felt simultaneously cleansed and poisoned." - The Force Unleashed II.

And Starkiller believed that the if the clones had united they themselves could have easily overwhelmed Vader.

"The desire to kill consumed their thoughts. It was all they radiated. Together they could easily have turned on their creator and overpowered him. Instead they were driven to destroy their own." - The Force Unleashed II.

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@killbilly: wow so he basically pulled a dr manhattan on a bunch of clones of himself?? That’s pretty OP

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@killbilly: those clones are going to throw a wrench into scaling then, ill have to look through force unleashed stuff again

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#16  Edited By KillBilly

@co-boss said:

@killbilly: those clones are going to throw a wrench into scaling then, ill have to look through force unleashed stuff again

Vader still scales above an early game Galen but it's made pretty clear that Galen is superior to him and that Vader only performed as well as he did due to Starkiller being exhausted beforehand. I go into it in this thread: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/star-wars-universe-1943200/star-wars-misconceptions-the-force-unleashed-franc-1944208/

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@killbilly: wow so he basically pulled a dr manhattan on a bunch of clones of himself?? That’s pretty OP

Yeah, the novel even implies that he views himself as the Rebellion's answer to Sidious.

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@killbilly: I mostly just mean that a bunch of featless clones being able to overpower vader yet getting oneshot by an exhausted starkiller. Just all over the place. And yeah endgame Starkiller was definitely above vader.

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@co-boss: don’t clones have the same amount of force ergo same “midichlorian count”? I recall a clone of Sidious being as strong as Sidious. If that’s the case the simple explanation could be the clones of Starkiller had all his strength and natural power but none of his experience and skill. Since they were just born so to speak in that scene, they hadn’t lived long enough to hone their power as much as Starkiller did. The simple explanation could just be a difference in skill and experience but perhaps there’s more to it

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Lol at starkiller usual wank. Stop at 3, or 4 being generous.

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@co-boss: don’t clones have the same amount of force ergo same “midichlorian count”? I recall a clone of Sidious being as strong as Sidious. If that’s the case the simple explanation could be the clones of Starkiller had all his strength and natural power but none of his experience and skill. Since they were just born so to speak in that scene, they hadn’t lived long enough to hone their power as much as Starkiller did. The simple explanation could just be a difference in skill and experience but perhaps there’s more to it

The clones were stated to have been trained ( though, likely not as extensively as Starkiller ).

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@firestarlord73194: my problem is that if they had the same amount of force, and as killbilly said they had some training, how did not a single one use a force power to save themselves? Like I get it’s cool and a good feat for starkiller but if the were perfect clones then he has to be able to one shot himself with a force blast that he can’t shield himself from.

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@co-boss: trained or not Starkillers training is likely way more extensive. It could be he just learned how to release more force into his attacks that overpowers the clones ability to resist it. Obviously not the same example but remember in endgame current Cap was able to beat his past self and they were beyond just a perfect clone, they were the exact same person. The only difference being one has had more battles, more experience and more knowledge on how to use his abilities. Probably the same case for Starkiller (albeit to a higher level since he was able to beat a bunch of these clones) and in Star Wars a persons abilities grow significantly (maybe even exponentially) the more experience they have (recall Anakins statement to Dooku “my powers have DOUBLED since last we fought Count.” Another example would probably be Obi Wan who went from having trouble with Maul in Phantom Menace to being able to kill him in a blink of an eye in Rebels)

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#24  Edited By KillBilly

@co-boss said:

@firestarlord73194: my problem is that if they had the same amount of force, and as killbilly said they had some training, how did not a single one use a force power to save themselves? Like I get it’s cool and a good feat for starkiller but if the were perfect clones then he has to be able to one shot himself with a force blast that he can’t shield himself from.

They likely did attempt to as the clones possess Force barriers.

"The clones possessed every attribute he did, in greater or lesser degrees." - The Force Unleashed II.

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"Galen Marek's clones possess their genetic host's fighting skills, including incredible abilities with the Force." - The Ultimate Visual Guide: Updated And Expanded.

Starkiller's repulse was just too powerful.

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Canon-Legends disparity is too massive. SK clears with ease

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Stops at 6 or clears tbh, Starkiller's or any other Legends high tier's force power is too much for canon characters even if you throw hundreds of them.

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He clears. Cal is good but....Starkillers fighting skill and force power dwarfs his so much it isn't even funny.

If these two switches games, Second Sister wouldn't even be a boss fighting. She'd just be another piece of imperial fodder to throw in to throw in front of a TIE-Fighter.

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