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Welcome to my first tournament! Inspired by @geekryan's Avatar tournament, which was apparently inspired by @batfreak2424's tournaments, so credit for the idea goes to those fine gentlemen.

The Premise

The idea is simple: to discuss and devise a list for the fifty strongest Force users from the Star Wars universe. While some of the top picks may be obvious, there is discussion to be had for the lower spots.

The Rules

I will post a list of candidates, to which the participants may make their own additions if they feel a character worthy of inclusion was not nominated. The tournament host (me) will then create a matchup based off of those listed, and the users will have five days to toss around arguments back and forth - if a particularly lengthy and a quality debate is sparked, the participants may ask for permission to extend the deadline. After the expiration date, a democratic vote will be held for the victor of the matchup, for which the voting time is two days. After a victor is decided, the tournament moves onto the next matchup. However, if the community is unanimous in their opinion on the victor, and no one comes in the other character's defence, the argumentation phase will be shortened to just two days, and the voting phase to one.

All characters are in their peak, unamped iterations, and must be exclusively from their depiction in the Legends continuity, or the classic Expanded Universe, so no Kylo Ren or Rebels Ahsoka Tano or Dark Disciple Quinlan Vos etc., and no Canon feats for characters that feature in both continuities such as Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader. However, certain Legends characters such as Abeloth, the Ones of Mortis, the Bedlam spirits, and all other eldritch monstrosities and cosmic manifestations are banned from this tournament as well.

For clarification: the movies and The Clone Wars TV cartoon from 2008 are not considered part of Legends for the duration of this tournament, and therefore feats from those mediums are unusable. References made to those events in Legends sources, or their novelizations such as Revenge of the Sith or Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracyare counted among valid Legends material and may thus be drawn upon freely.

Once the list is done, you can still request for post-tournament debates if you feel it needs some changes. They will be conducted in this same thread.

The Candidates

The candidates are listed below in alphabetical order:

  • Aayla Secura
  • Agen Kolar
  • Ajunta Pall
  • Aleema Keto
  • Alema Rar
  • Aloysius Kallig
  • Anakin Skywalker
  • Anakin Solo
  • Antares Draco
  • Arca Jeth
  • Arcann
  • Aryn Leneer
  • Asajj Ventress
  • Aurra Sing
  • Ben Skywalker
  • Cade Skywalker
  • Cay Qel-Droma
  • Corran Horn
  • Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus
  • Cronal/Lord Shadowspawn/Blackhole
  • Daegen Lok
  • Darish Vol
  • Darth Andeddu
  • Darth Bane
  • Darth Baras
  • Darth Caedus
  • Darth Cognus
  • Darth Gean
  • Darth Gravid
  • Darth Havok
  • Darth Jadus
  • Darth Krayt
  • Darth Maladi
  • Darth Malak
  • Darth Malgus
  • Darth Marr
  • Darth Maul
  • Darth Mortis
  • Darth Nihilus
  • Darth Nihl
  • Darth Nox
  • Darth Nyriss
  • Darth Phobos
  • Darth Plagueis
  • Darth Ramage
  • Darth Sion
  • Darth Stryfe
  • Darth Talon
  • Darth Tenebrous
  • Darth Tenebrous’ Master
  • Darth Thanaton
  • Darth Traya
  • Darth Vader
  • Darth Vectivus
  • Darth Venamis
  • Darth Wyyrlok III
  • Darth Zannah
  • Desann
  • Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious
  • Exar Kun
  • Executor Sedriss
  • Freedon Nadd
  • Galen Marek
  • Gavar Khai
  • Gethzerion
  • Gnost-Dural
  • Jaden Korr
  • Jaina Solo
  • Jaric Kaedan
  • Jax Pavan
  • Jerec
  • Jorus C'baoth
  • Joruus C'baoth
  • Kam Solusar
  • Karness Muur
  • Kar Vastor
  • Kazdan Paratus
  • Kenth Hamner
  • Ki-Adi-Mundi
  • King Ommin
  • Kit Fisto
  • K'Kruhk
  • Kyle Katarn
  • Kyp Durron
  • Leia Organa Solo
  • Lomi Plo
  • Lord Nyax
  • Lord Kas'im
  • Lord Scourge
  • Lord Skere Kaan
  • Lucien Draay
  • Ludo Kressh
  • Luke Skywalker
  • Lumiya
  • Luuke Skywalker
  • Mace Windu
  • Mara Jade Skywalker
  • Marka Ragnos
  • Meetra Surik
  • Mother Talzin
  • Naga Sadow
  • Nat Skywalker
  • Nejaa Halcyon
  • Nikkos Tyris
  • Nomi Sunrider
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi
  • Odan-Urr
  • Olaris Rhea
  • Onimi
  • Ood Bnar
  • Plo Koon
  • Qui-Gon Jinn
  • Quinlan Vos
  • Rahm Kota
  • Remulus Dreypa
  • Revan
  • Rivi-Anu
  • Saarai/Darth Wyyrlok IV
  • Saba Sebatyne
  • Saesee Tiin
  • Sarasu Taalon
  • Satele Shan
  • Savage Opress
  • Senya Tirall
  • Set Harth
  • Shaak Ti
  • Shado Vao
  • Siolo'urmanka
  • Skal'nas
  • Soa
  • Sora Bulq
  • Sorzus Syn
  • Streen
  • Syo Bakarn
  • The Barsen’thor
  • The Dread Masters
  • The Emperor’s Wrath II
  • The First Son
  • The Hero of Tython
  • The Hidden One
  • The Outlander
  • The Starkiller Clone
  • Thexan
  • Thon
  • T'ra Saa
  • Tulak Hord
  • Ulic Qel-Droma
  • UnuThul
  • Valkorion
  • Vaylin
  • Ven Zallow
  • Vergere
  • Vestara Khai
  • Viun Gaalan
  • Vodo-Siosk Baas
  • Welk
  • Xesh
  • Yaddle
  • Yarael Poof
  • Yoda

You can search for specific characters by pressing Ctrl + F on your keyboard to open up a search bar.

If all goes well and good, we'll have a rough general consensus on the top 50 most powerful beings from Star Wars by the end of this tournament. Good luck and honest sportsmanship to all!

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#3 Posted by AmethystGravity (1914 posts) - - Show Bio

This looks pretty interesting! I'm curious to see where people will rate Taalon, since I recall so little of his appearance in FotJ.

Speaking of Legacy, here's to hoping Jaina makes the top 10! I doubt it'll happen, though; it's a shame that Crucible and other later sources barely have feats for her.

I'm also curious to see how characters like Thon, Sunrider, Lumiya, and Cade do, since they seemed pretty interesting, but I don't know much about them.

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#4 Posted by Emperor_Jar_Jar (279 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks good. I understand why the Rule of Two Sith are included, and you may be right, but most are still featless.

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#5 Edited by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Posted by DarthManhunter (1495 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks pretty awesome to me.

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#8 Posted by Emperor_Jar_Jar (279 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger: Oh yes. Not featless Gean beating Gravid. I don't really see a problem anyway.

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#9 Edited by DarthFallax (1114 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice.

My suggestions:

* Mara - she's clearly above most of the other NJO guys here tbh

* Streen - he isn't really a combatant, but more powerful than let's say Kenth or Saba imo, though either one would beat him

* Corran

* Kam Soulsar

* Nikos Tyris

* Agen

* Saesee

* Senya (never been impressed with her tho)

* Nat Skywalker

* Aryn Leneer

* Ludo Kressh

* Kar Vastor

* Thon

* Vodo Siosk Baas

* Odan-Urr

* Siolo Ur Manka

* Joorus C'Baoth

* Jorus C'Baoth

* First Son

* Saarai

* Darth Stryfe

* Antares Draco

* Darth Havok

* Cronal

* Vergere

* Hidden One (lol)

* Yaddle

* Qui-Gon

* Kasim

* Kaan

* Xesh

* Skal'nas

Did you excluded Talzin and Gethzerion for purpose btw

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#10 Posted by AmethystGravity (1914 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger: Oops! I must have missed that! I heard that Nomi is supposed to be his superior, though, so I'm not sure if it would be redundant.

Also, I was just wondering: are these battles just in terms of force powers? That's what I thought from the title, but then I saw Grievous.

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#11 Posted by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthfallax: The intermediary Banites will stay; all your suggestions have been edited in; and no, I simply forgot about the Nightsisters.

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#12 Posted by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@amethystgravity: No, it's all-out. Although now that you mentioned Grievous - I only added him spontaneously without much forethought. Do you think I should remove him?

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#13 Posted by DarthFallax (1114 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger: Dunno if you should remove GG,but if you keeo him, add Boba, Shimrra and Shedao Shai tbh.

Also, glad that I could help.

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#14 Posted by Greysentinel365 (2239 posts) - - Show Bio

Love it.

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#15 Posted by AmethystGravity (1914 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger: Okay, thanks for the clarification!

Personally, I don't see a problem with Grievous being in the tourney.

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#16 Edited by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthfallax: Nah, I will not add more non-Force users. Grievous can stay since lightsabers are his primary weapon and he is regularly seen contending with even high tier Force users, unless other users feel strongly opinionated against that.

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#17 Posted by nerdchore (7064 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger: so has boba to some degree.

On topic this looks awesome

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#18 Edited by Emperor_Jar_Jar (279 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger: Oh, about Grevious. Well maybe you should change the thread's name to 50 most powerful sw characters. I'm also interested on why Nat Skywalker is on the list. He's basically featless.

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#19 Edited by TheMuser (1799 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger said:

@amethystgravity: Do you nominate Thon? He isn't on the list currently.

Sorry to interrupt but Thon is a obvious addition, the guy is very powerful.

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#20 Posted by TheMuser (1799 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger: Tag me in for some ToTJ match ups.

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#21 Posted by Slayedigneel (1443 posts) - - Show Bio

Thon<Bane<RoT 30 sith.

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#22 Posted by Killerwasp (16214 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Posted by TheMuser (1799 posts) - - Show Bio

Gona have to add Gnost Dural muh dude. If you have a scrub like my home boy Zallow on the list Dural is a auto include.

@banthabot

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#25 Posted by TheMuser (1799 posts) - - Show Bio

Also where is Mundi/Ti/Sora in this? Are we to consider them scrubs or something? They should do fine here.

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#26 Posted by Banthabot (3154 posts) - - Show Bio

Jax Pavan and Aurra Sing

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#27 Edited by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperor_jar_jar: Nah, I'm keeping it as it is. I will not add more non-Force users, but if people continue to think I should because Grievous is there, then I will remove him as this tournament is about those who use the Force, not those who lack it.

Nat is there because he was nominated. No clue why, but if arguments for him can be made I am fine with his inclusion.

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#28 Posted by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthfallax: The rest of your suggestions have been edited in.

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#29 Posted by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@themuser: Thon has already been added, as have the rest of your nominations.

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#30 Posted by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@banthabot: Jax Pavan and Aurra Sing have been added

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#31 Posted by geekryan (702 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not too familiar with a lot of these characters, but I would say that Satele Shan and Galen Marek are two of the most powerful, with Yoda being the most skilled Force-user.

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#32 Posted by Emperor_Jar_Jar (279 posts) - - Show Bio

@geekryan: Woah. Why do you think Galen and Satele are 2 of the most powerful?

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#33 Posted by geekryan (702 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperor_jar_jar:

Three examples for Galen at the top of my head:

1) Beat Vader

2) The Emperor considered him his rival in the Force

3) Pulled an entire Star Destroyer out of the sky

As for Satele, she has shown some extremely impressive displays of telekinesis, both for offence and defence.

But, as I said, I'm not too familiar with a lot of the characters on this list, so there may be better examples I just don't know about.

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#34 Edited by DarthFallax (1114 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperor_jar_jar: Nat seems pretty solid, I'd need to find the argument someone else made for him. @azronger: Well, Shimrra has basically one feat and hype, used a lightsaber as secondary weapon and is probably > GG. But fair enough.

Also, I have a few more lol:

* Desann

* Jaden Korr

* Jerec

* Lomi Plo

* Onimi

* Welk

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#35 Posted by Slayedigneel (1443 posts) - - Show Bio

good thing some of these arguments with be, done within a few sentences.

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#36 Posted by DarthFallax (1114 posts) - - Show Bio

@geekryan: Satele's feats are pretty good, but I wouldn't put her in the top 20 tbh. She crushed Hex Droids and absorbed a lightsaber blade - others here are vastly superior to people that can throw large freighters; can manipulate a weak singularity that swallows huge ships; have the power of a colony of trillions of beings; can revive people from the dead; or can manipulate time somehow.

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#37 Edited by geekryan (702 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthfallax: I meant more in terms of telekinesis and raw power though. Would you still not put her near the top for that?

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#38 Posted by DarthFallax (1114 posts) - - Show Bio

@geekryan: No and no. Many people here have (far) superior TK feats, and raw power is influenced by more than TK.

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#40 Posted by Greysentinel365 (2239 posts) - - Show Bio

@geekryan: Satele doesn't really belong here IMO.

Just quick clarification on Galen.

1. Had a massive style advantage due to being trained by him. In near every version of the fight Vader ragdolls him at some point. Galen on really wins via physiological warfare unbalancing Vader.

2. The Emperor said he could have one day been his rival. Not that he was. Palps can one-shot Galen.

3. He tilted an already falling Star Destroyer after a prolonged charge up and fell unconscious afterwards.

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#41 Posted by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthfallax: Your suggestions have been added. I also remembered and included Soa and Darth Venamis.

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#42 Posted by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@greysentinel365: Satele has plenty of decent feats, and has already been nominated, so she's staying. Also, you too shouldn't start debating until the tournament begins proper.

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#43 Edited by Greysentinel365 (2239 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger: If that's the bar might as well throw in Aryn Leener.

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#44 Posted by DarthFallax (1114 posts) - - Show Bio

@greysentinel365: Leneer is already in this tournament. I mean, Satele can at least be argued to be Top 50, tbh.

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#45 Posted by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@greysentinel365: Leneer is already here, and we have guys like Nat Skywalker too lol

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#46 Posted by Emperor_Jar_Jar (279 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the idea of the thread. But maybe a top 30 would have sparked a stronger debate.

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#47 Posted by Slayedigneel (1443 posts) - - Show Bio

Jaric Kaedan is a contender:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaric_Kaedan

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#48 Posted by Azronger (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperor_jar_jar: What do you mean? There are multiple matches here, and none of them have even started yet.

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#50 Posted by Emperor_Jar_Jar (279 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger: I don't know. My opinion doesn't matter.