Star Wars: Light Side Team Vs Dark Side Team

Jedi Team- Yoda, Luke Skywalker, Mace Windu, Ahsoka Tano, and Obi Wan Kenobi

Sith Team- Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, Count Dooku, Darth Maul, Savage Opress, and Asajj Ventress

Rules

• ROTS: Yoda, Mace, Obi Wan, Sidious, and Dooku
• ROTJ: Luke and Vader
• Mando: Ahsoka
• TCW: Maul and Savage
• Morals off
• Standard Gear
• Fight takes place on a neutral planet
• No BFR

If Windu can beat Sidious again, than Light Side take this comfortably.

Luke beats Vader.

Yoda beats Dooku.

Ahsoka beats Maul (assuming she has TCW feats).

Obi-Wan beats Savage and Ventress.

Savage and ventress make this a stomp for the Jedi

The matchups as I see them:

- Yoda and Sidious are the best here, so they fight.

- Vader is going after Kenobi because he hates him.

- Dooku goes after Mace because of the Geonosis arena incident.

- Ahsoka and Maul fight, but she has to contend with the loyalty of Savage to Maul. She gets the 2v1.

- Ventress and Luke are left.

Neutral ground gives Yoda the win. He disarmed Sidious and can hold back his lightning. No high ground for Sidious, he is outmatched. It’s a longer fight because the two are evenly matched.

ROTS Kenobi and ROTJ Vader are evenly matched, so this drags out for a while, too. Kenobi wins due to lack of stamina on Vader’s part. The Disney novelization of ROTJ states that Vader is tired out by the duel with Luke. Kenobi’s defense wears him down.

Upset alert: Dooku beats Mace. Yes, Mace disarmed Sidious, but Dooku has beaten Mace in a duel before, and they have both grown substantially, but I’m giving Dooku the edge via force powers.

Mando Ahsoka lost a saber to a non-force user. That’s a significant anti-feat from her ability to duel an amped Vader, and she technically lost to Maul on Mandalore. She is stronger here, yes, but the duo is too much for her.

Luke is beating Ventress, but it’s not easy. She is extremely experienced, Luke has never faced an opponent like her, and he is stated to be lower in sabers than Yoda and ROTS Obi Wan.

That leaves Yoda, Luke, and Kenobi versus Dooku, Maul, and Savage.

- Dooku fights Yoda

- Kenobi fights Maul

- Luke fights Savage

Dooku’s task is to hold off Yoda long enough for one of his teammates to get a win, so I will discuss their battles first.

ROTS Kenobi is better than TCW Maul, Kenobi wins mid diff.

Luke has his hands full with Savage. It sounds ridiculous and feels ridiculous to type it, but Savage walked through Jedi Masters during the clone wars. He choked Dooku and Ventress at the same time, and didn’t immediately die to Sidious, like three Jedi Masters did, including Kit Fisto. The brute force, magic enhanced Zabrak loses, but it makes Luke work for it.

Yoda eventually defeats Dooku alone.

The light side wins, but once Sidious fell, it was pretty much over because it would take two higher than the Maul and Savage duo to beat Yoda, and at no point did the dark side have that option. No one is rushing to Sidious’s aid.

I don’t know if I am willing to rate Ventress and Savage too low. Savage and Maul are a pair in a fight like this, and they weren’t completely fodder used by Sidious. Ventress fought Anakin and Obi Wan while injured to moderate success, and beat Ahsoka and Luminara, though TCW Ahsoka is below Mando Ahsoka.

The OP doesn’t state the version of Ventress, which makes it difficult to gauge how she’d fare against whomever she fights.

Team Darkside takes it.

RoTS Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Maul, Savage, and Ventress are all non-factors. And are outright ragdollable fodder to the real players.

This is a fight between Yoda, Luke, Windu, Sidious, Vader, and Dooku. All of whom are the best in terms of Saber skills, augmentation, and Force-Power by a big margin.

In Sabers (With Augmentations on): RoTJ Vader >= Luke > RoTS Mace > Sheev > Yoda > Dooku >> the rest

Force-Power: Vader >= Luke > Sheev > Yoda >= Mace > Dooku >> the rest

All-out: Vader > Luke > Sheev > Yoda > Mace > Dooku >> the rest

Prime RoTJ Vader is slightly more experienced than Luke. Even though they're damn near equals in everything else.

He can stalemate his son until someone on team Lightside such as Obi-Wan & Ahsoka (Who will be the first to fall due to their weaker Force-Power & inferior Saber skills when compared to Dooku via feats & accolades) fall at the hands of Dooku. Then they jump Luke before proceeding to do the same to the rest. Who would be too busy locking blades to defend against another attacker

@lightordark: the magistrate from mando that disarmed ahsoka was stated to be incredibly skilled by filoni and we can’t act like jedi are untouchable by regular humans. vader was contended with by a bounty hunter (qi’ra) recently. we can’t only say it’s an anti feat for ahsoka without also applying it to vader. she also didn’t utilize the force even once during their duel so she clearly wasn’t going all out. at the time of mando ahsoka still isn’t even at her species physical prime so she scales slightly above her rebels self regardless. she isn’t old and decrepit like yoda and sidious are often portrayed to be. mando ahsoka > rebels ahsoka > tcw ahsoka.

The Jedi team wins solidly.

@lightordark: you’re using reverse logic. it’s a feat for the magistrate who is factually above the likes of the inquisitors based on her performance. filoni literally described her as incredibly skilled which is a word he’s never used for any inquisitor. it’s not unheard of for non force users to contend with high tier force users (especially when they visibly don’t abuse the force ex: maul vs pre vizsla).

also vader’s was also a 1v1 in which qi’ra impressed him and contended with his physical strength which shouldn’t be possible in universe either. human’s are perfect capable of briefly contending with high tiers that don’t abuse the force like i said. it’s happened so many times at this point. lastly, you need to apply a bit of realism to the fight with the magistrate. filoni wanted to end the episode with a cool duel and he can’t just introduce a high tier force user at the end of the episode so he was forced to have ahsoka duel a highly skilled human.

ahsoka for all intensive purposes is at the very least at the level of dooku in universe if not noticeably above. not really debatable considering her performance on a dark side nexus against vader when compared to dooku’s performance against anakin. dooku got swiftly outskilled and defeated whereas ahsoka is stated to have given vader a hard fight and he never managed to outskill her by way of the blade even once during their duel. malachor vader > vader > anakin. dooku lost much faster and more concretely to a vastly inferior opponent.

I'll match strongest with strongest and weakest with weakest

Ashoka vs Savage and Assaj = don't think she can win this , she can't ragdoll either and now she has two sabers coming at her , one with speed compareable to her and one with physicals greater then her , Savage and Assaj compliment each other's style pretty well , I'll give the victory to them.1-0

Obi Wan vs Maul = Obi Wan , his performance against General Grevious where he cut his arms off immidiately is much better then Maul's saber performance against Grevious on a Nexus , Obi wan was stomped in S7 deleted scene By Grevious in dueling while cuts his arms off during ROTS in 20 seconrs , showing massive growth , I say Kenobi is way better at dueling, Maul better at using force but if Muatafar Anakin can't ragdoll him , Maul isn't either , so 1-1

Count Dooku vs Mace Windu - now Windu in canon has nothing like his legends and has direct statements of not actually defeating Palpatine , while Dooku in late TCW is mentioned as a threat to Sheev himself , Dooku has better all round feats with Yoda duels and then the invisible hand duel as well , I say Dooku takes his. 2-1

Yoda vs Darth Sidious - well we already saw this happen , while Yoda did outduel him , by using his intellect and environmental tactics , in force he was almost always outmatched against Palpatine , Palpatine was always on the aggressive force wise except last lightning and tutaminis which Palpatine won , almost every quote regarding this fight favours Palpatine so he wins , 3-1

Luke vs Vader - they are equals in force , Vader is stronger while Luke is faster as shown in the fight , overall I will favour Vader as this is so close even arbritary things matter and Vader has way more combative experience then Luke as well as better dura due to armour so 4-1

Darkside won but it really was dependant on who fought who, with different combinations things could've gone the other way.

@thenamelessone: to be fair maul has shown better raw force power than anakin in canon and more willingness to actually use it in a duel whereas anakin does not. ex: dooku effortlessly ragdolled obi wan yet anakin didn’t (a supposedly much stronger force user).

Jedi team easily. Most of those fights already happened in the movies.

Luke > Vader (already happened in the movie)

Yoda > Dooku (already happened in the movie)

Mace > Sidious (already happened in the movie)

Darn near a stalemate both teams are capable of winning, if I had to lean one way it'd probably be towards the Sith team Palps, Vader, and Dooku is quite a team. 5.5-6/10

It's a great match up, Sith having a numbers advantage may help early jedi have a pretty powerful team to compete. I wouldn't argue against cases for either team winning. But wait for it someone will say Palps stomps.

Depends on the matchups on who fights who because it could be a tossup but I’d say Light Side wins most times

hard ill have to come back to this

Light side if its ROTS Sids. If it’s ROTJ Darksiders.