@decaf_wizard:
"Obi-Wan has been on the council from almost the start of the Clone Wars. 22 BBY"
Source? Last I checked, Obi-Wan was appointed to the Council during or after the Outer Rim sieges:
"As a result of his military successes in the Outer Rim, General Kenobi has been granted the title 'Master', and named to the Council."
-- Revenge of the Sith: Visual Dictionary
"So you are saying that ROTS Kit Fisto is stomping late TCW Obi-Wan"
Fisto can do anything Grievous does, but better.
"You are either blatantly ignorant of what happened on Utapau or are intentionally being this way. Grievous had his lungs torn to shreds during the fight on Utapau"
Still waiting on that evidence. Do you have a source?
"Yes he did, Mace got extremely spooked by his copying"
That doesn't qualify as Grievous' actual combat ability, it was Grievous using Mace's own moves.
"and the two were very evenly matched,"
For an extremely short amount of time, at best a few seconds. Grievous only clashed with Mace using his own prowess briefly, and in fact, Grievous described the entire fight as brief:
"He had been forced to improvise when Palpatine’s protectors had opted to follow an alternate route to the bunker, and he had enjoyed chasing the mag-lev -- if not the brief duel on the roof of the train car. Tyranus had warned him about Mace Windu’s prowess with a blade, and now he understood."
-- Labryinth of Evil
"Both coming close to killing each other at least once on the train in LoE"
Source?
"Not........really. She lasted about ten seconds."
That just makes 10 seconds a decent amount of time to last in a lightsaber fight.
"And also not Prime Grievous or even close to it| Yea, Hypori Grievous is also far from Prime Grievous"
I don't deny that Grievous improved throughout the war -- that's just logical. But what evidence is there that he somehow improved vastly?
"False equivalence. Not only are all Magnaguards are the same, with Greivous having certain elite ones due to the fact that he personally trains those elites in the Jedi combat styles. IG-101 and IG-102 that ROTS Anakin fought were basically the Magnaguard equivalent of named characters."
Yeah, Grievous totally took his noob MagnaGuards with him to the heart of Coruscant to kidnap the Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic, and left his best back on his ship, that makes sense. I wonder if there are sources confirming that those guards were his elite, oh wait:
"Grievous turned from the viewports. 'Is the strike force assembled?' The gunnery officer took a moment to reply. 'Your gunboat is ready, and your elites are standing by in the launching bay'."
-- Labyrinth of Evil
"Three cars distant marched General Grievous and two of his elite droids, their capes snapping behind them in the wind, pulse-tipped batons angled across their barrel chests."
-- Labryinth of Evil
"Only battle droids: slagged, mangled, twisted into peculiar shapes. 'I can accept that Grievous might have fallen from the mag-lev,' Mace said, 'but not that he would have included only two of his elite on a mission like this.' Kit gazed at the wedge of night sky."
-- Labryinth of Evil
"Grievous was aware that his lightsabers were capable of burning through the door. While doing so would have heightened the drama of his entry, he did the next best thing. He used the code Tyranus had provided. 'Under no circumstances are you to harm the Chancellor,' he exhorted his elite, while layers of the thick hatch were retracting."
-- Labryinth of Evil
"His brazenness summoned the Jedi to him in a flash, but he knew in the first moments of contest that he had nothing to worry about. Compared to Mace Windu, the four were mere novices, whose lightsaber techniques were some of the earliest Grievous had mastered. Behind him rushed his elite droids, with a single purpose in mind: to tear into the guards and soldiers arrayed in a defensive semicircle in front of Palpatine."
-- Labryinth of Evil
"One of his elite had gone down, as well, but even though blinded and savagely slashed by the guards’ staffs, the droid was continuing to fight. And those elite still on their feet had altered their combat stances and offensive moves to adapt to the guards’ defensive strategies."
-- Labryinth of Evil
"Elsewhere his three surviving elites were doing well against five Red Guards."
-- Labryinth of Evil
"With a gesture, Grievous instructed his elite to secure the bunker’s hexagonal door."
-- Labryinth of Evil
Obviously MagnGuards differ from each other in experience(and I'd wager that 102 > the guards that Shaak fought), but only in that department as they all are programmed and then personally trained by Grievous -- depending on the source -- which accounts for their ability. The gap between the members of the select group of Grievous' handpicked elite is not going to be anything but slight. Shaak's fights with those MagnaGuards, both high-end and low-end, place her in the direct range of LS ROTS Anakin.
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