Star Wars Duos Tournament #2

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#1  Edited By Darthor
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This was inspired by the original Star Wars Duos tournament. So basically, it has been quite long since there is a SW tournament, and I thought one of those will be really helpful. Not, I do expect this one to fail but lets see if we can get enough people.

Basic tournament rules:

  • There will be 8 participants (hopefully enough), but I can move it up to 12 or even 16 if needed.
  • Each debate will be in the form of CaVs
  • Rules for CaVs still apply for this tournament I.e. respectful debates, everybody can vote, etc.
  • All the characters must be within a given power range

Tournament rules

Each team will consist of two characters, with the following levels:

1. The first character will be top tier council level.

Example characters here include Dooku, SoD Maul, Traya, Malgus, no amp Mace, Cade Skywalker, ROTS base Anakin, KOTOR Revan etc. The character must be above ROTS Obi Wan and below Dooku. Although, slightly above characters such as no amp Mace who is on the same level can count.

2. The second character is mid-council level

This will include characters such as AOTC Obi Wan, Kit Fisto, Meetra Surik, Satele Shan (as of Annihilation), Jaden Korr, Savage Opress, TPM Maul etc. The character has to be above Qui Gon Jinn but below ROTS Obi Wan

A sample team will be Maul and Savage. Another possible team will be Meetra Surik and Traya. it will be cool if there is a logical link between the characters but that is not necessary

You cannot use 2 versions of the same character, so SoD Maul and TPM Maul together in a team is not allowed.

Each round will begin in a neutral settings, no special amps for characters. However, it is a possibility to have amps on that specific character (SF Malak). However, the fight still takes place on neutral settings, so nobody else gets amped or hindered by the settings

Bloodlusted

Perfect-teamwork is no guaranteed, however you can gain those through perks. But no, a Jedi and a Sith will not fight with each other, they will have the same amount of team-work as say Adi Gallia and Obi Wan, that is to say 1 v1 spread out. But obviously Savage and Maul will have more chemistry between them.

Force connection, bonds, BM are all allowed

Hax such as force drain is not allowed

IMPORTANT:

all supremacy quotes will not be taken into account in this debate. For example the Maul > all previous Sith quotes or the Yoda > all previous Jedi quotes. However, quotes that directly compare characters and scaling chains are allowed. But quotes like Sidious > all other Dark siders before is not allowed. The purpose is to not let Mace Windu gets an easy win over opponents due to his supremacy quotes

10 meters distance

Standard equipments, but amulets are allowed if they carry it around

Perks:

There are several perks you can choose from

Prior knowledge: this will be especially helpful against opponents like Plo Koon, you get knowledge of their character before hand.

Training session: you get to spar with your partner beforehand for 1 hour.

Extra weapon: you can carry an extra weapon, such as a blaster, a dagger, or another lightsaber around. But no OP weapons like Outlander's lightsaber or Dagger of Mortis. For example, AOTC Anakin might want another lightsaber.

Jetpacks: yes, you get to fly, but a simple force crush can destroy it tho

1 hour of meditation: you get to clear your mind and get energy

And I know this is unlikely to be a thing, but pls join if u r interested

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You can always reserve a spot or a character

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Vaapad wasn't an amp, and both Dooku and Mace are quite comfortably above SoD Maul.

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Awwwwww yeah...

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@darthor: why is Traya above Meetra when she was beaten by Meetra on a DS Nexus?

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#11  Edited By cj_the_dj

I don't really debate much anymore - my SW discussions are mostly limited to small replies when I'm bored and have nothing better to do. I don't possess the level of sustained investment to participate in something of this nature, so count me out.

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Vader solo

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Vaapad wasn't an amp, and both Dooku and Mace are quite comfortably above SoD Maul.

So do you consider Mace too powerful for the first category?

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#16  Edited By JediSympathiz3r

@darthor: when they were on a DS Nexus and it was never stated how much more powerful Traya was compared to the Exile so it’s not enough to justify a sub-tier gap between them

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@darthor: when they were on a DS Nexus and it was never stated how much more powerful Traya was compared to the Exile so it’s not enough to justify a sub-tier gap between them

it was comparing their power in general, but if you feel strongly about this, what is your suggestion? to move Meetra Surik up or Traya down?

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@darthor: yeah, let's do Kyle Katarn and 2/3 Jaden Korr (this puts Jaden as he was when he fought Rosh with his original lightsaber as an apprentice)

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Not sure if I’ll join this. I’ll think about it.

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@darthor: yeah, let's do Kyle Katarn and 2/3 Jaden Korr (this puts Jaden as he was when he fought Rosh with his original lightsaber as an apprentice)

That seems like a fair team. I will put you down. Which perk do you want to choose for your team?

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@darthor: The quote is about their duel so the quote should be referring to them during the duel.

I think you should move Kreia down

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@darthor: Oh, extra weapon would be straight-up canonical!

The Bryar pistol for Kyle and a Destructive Electro-Magnetic Pulse Gun E-11 Blaster Rifle for Jaden.

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@darthor: yeah, let's do Kyle Katarn and 2/3 Jaden Korr (this puts Jaden as he was when he fought Rosh with his original lightsaber as an apprentice)

I once met a Kyle fanboy who was trying to argue he was = to Yuzhvan Vong Luke 😂 Good times

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Base Mace with an extra lightsaber and TCW Obi-Wan with a lightwhip

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@darthor: The quote is about their duel so the quote should be referring to them during the duel.

I think you should move Kreia down

Kreia below Obi Wan? hmmm, I will have to think about that. Also, dyu want to enter the tournament? I can reserve a spot for you

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@breakofdawn: CaV, SOD Maul vs Dooku?

You should definitely do that

OT:

I’ll use Dooku and Ventress. Prime iterations.

Wow, never thought you would use this team. I was honestly expecting you to do Maul and Savage, but def a fair team

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@drax5343 said:

Base Mace with an extra lightsaber and TCW Obi-Wan with a lightwhip

that seems like a fair lineup

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Teams so far (I won't tag you or else it will spam your inbox)

CatMan5: reserved

Hellothere5432:
Dooku and Asajj (prime version for both)

Drax5343:

Base Maul with 2 lightsabers and TCW Obi Wan with a lightwhip

Perk: extra weapon

Anderion:

Kyle Kantern with a Bryar pistol and 2/3 Jaden Korr with E-11 blaster.

I might be doing this is we don't have enough space

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@drax5343 said:
@anderioan said:

@darthor: yeah, let's do Kyle Katarn and 2/3 Jaden Korr (this puts Jaden as he was when he fought Rosh with his original lightsaber as an apprentice)

I once met a Kyle fanboy who was trying to argue he was = to Yuzhvan Vong Luke 😂 Good times

tbf, I've met that line a lot, it's basically Kyle defeated Desann who compared to Luke!!!

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@catman5 have you decided on a team yet? better do it quick or somebody else might get the characters you want

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@darthor:

BoROTS Anakin should be banned imo

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@donloota said:

@darthor:

BoROTS Anakin should be banned imo

hmm, I would say that Base ROTS Anakin is not too OP given Mace having quotes to be the top 2 strongest Jedi. And I am still unconvinced that he is superior to Dooku. However, if you feel strongly on the matter then I can arrange a ban

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#34  Edited By donloota

@darthor:

Dw about it actually 😏

Could you reserve a team of BoROTS Anakin and ROTS Plo Koon for me? I'm not 100% sure if I'll join yet.

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@donloota said:

@darthor:

Dw about it actually 😏

Could you reserve a team of BoROTS Anakin and ROTS Plo Koon for me? I'm not 100% sure if I'll join yet.

cool. I see you said dw so that you can pick him, but thats fair enough

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#36  Edited By Darthor

Teams so far: (pics don't represent versions)

CatMan5: reserved

Hellothere5432:

Dooku and Asajj (prime version for both)

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Drax5343:

Base Mace with 2 lightsabers and TCW Obi Wan with a lightwhip

Perk: extra weapon

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Anderion:

Kyle Kantern with a Bryar pistol and 2/3 Jaden Korr with E-11 blaster.

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Donloota (maybe)

ROTS Base Anakin and ROTS Plo Koon:

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I might be doing this is we don't have enough space

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@uhu123 said:

Intriguing concept, although I'm afraid I currently lack the time for such a dedicated involvement. I think you might want to word the OP a little differently, given that different people hold some the characters you used as a benchmark on vastly different power levels (especially Maul).

I can still reserve you a spot if you change your mind? Cause this is unlikely to go off until a few days

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@darthor:

Training session and 1 hour of meditation.

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@donloota said:

@darthor:

Training session and 1 hour of meditation.

You may only choose 1 perk that will apply to both characters.

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@uhu123 said:

@darthor: Alright, I'd go with EoROTS Kenobi and TPM Maul, but I can't promise anything yet.

ok cool. I will reserve ur team.

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Teams so far: (pics don't represent versions)

CatMan5: reserved

Hellothere5432:

Dooku and Asajj (prime version for both)

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Drax5343:

Base Mace with 2 lightsabers and TCW Obi Wan with a lightwhip

Perk: extra weapon

No Caption Provided

Anderion:

Kyle Kantern with a Bryar pistol and 2/3 Jaden Korr with E-11 blaster.

No Caption Provided

Donloota (maybe)

ROTS Base Anakin and ROTS Plo Koon:

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Meditation / spar (one of the two)

Uhu123:
ROTS Obi Wan and TPM Maul

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I might be doing this is we don't have enough space

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@darthor:

Oh alright, I'll take the meditation then.

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@darthor said:
@breakofdawn said:

Vaapad wasn't an amp, and both Dooku and Mace are quite comfortably above SoD Maul.

So do you consider Mace too powerful for the first category?

Yes and no. If it's Mace as of the Office, when he's fighting without restraint, then he's significantly more powerful than Dooku, let alone the others in that tier. If it's ROTS Mace, who still operates with his restraint, he's above Dooku but not massively.

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I might participate. If I do, I'll probably take prime Suit Vader and prime Malgus, unless someone wants them and knows they'll be participating.

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@darthor said:
@breakofdawn said:

Vaapad wasn't an amp, and both Dooku and Mace are quite comfortably above SoD Maul.

So do you consider Mace too powerful for the first category?

Yes and no. If it's Mace as of the Office, when he's fighting without restraint, then he's significantly more powerful than Dooku, let alone the others in that tier. If it's ROTS Mace, who still operates with his restraint, he's above Dooku but not massively.

Obviously not Office Mace, just base Mace without fighting for his "loved republic.

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@darthor: He's still a bit above Dooku in that state, so if Dooku is the pinnacle of that tier, he's too high.