The Hero Killer
The Titan Slayer
- No Quirk for Stain
- Win by Death
- 50 Foot starting distance
- Stain has Quirk
- Levi has 3 smoke bombs, info, and 10 minute strategy prep
- Win by Death
- 50 Foot starting distance
Without 3DM gear I think Levi is completely outclassed. Stain should be too fast and agile for him. With it, I could see him winning round 2. Levi would know he can't afford to get tagged and smoke bombs could give him enough cover to win. I would still lean Stain round 1. He's not an idiot and once he sees how the 3DM gear works he would move to the most open space nearby to minimize it's impact.
@soothing_sounds: Does Stain even have supersonic feats like Levi has ? Levi when serious can evade bullets from multiple armed henchmens of Kenny Ackerman. This is easily Supersonic+. Stain is really slow. Iida is not even supersonic and can move at subsonic speeds only, so don't take that feat.
@ronan6996: Made a long response on pc but the bug won’t allow me to post. Chapter 12 of vigilante I believe. Stain is faster than Levi by virtue of casually acting during a attack stated to be supersonic. High end interpretations of Levi can get him up to supersonic combat speed. That’s not enough.
@belando: Idk but Eredin12 was dead ass trying to convince me in the other thread that Levi has Hypersonic combat speed at the very least based on the feats where the Beast Titan threw rocks which created Titan sized Shockwaves even though the rocks didn't even ignited (Similar to the movie where 5% Deku was going really fast to ignite himself) and Levi casually dodged them.
@ronan6996: I’m not wanking anything. The fact he easily dodged bullets fired from a squad of armed men proves he is at the very least a bullet timer, which means he is a least close to if not hypersonic in speed. I don’t think you downplayed him at all, but just based on feats alone you must agree Levi is at least a bullet timer if not nearly hypersonic. There are a few ppl on this site who are pretty well-versed on AoT feats who can prove it with calcs but I don’t know their usernames by heart. Sorry, I joined this site not too long ago so I don’t know all the big names around here yet.
@ronan6996: Levi has already been confirmed by bullet dodging feats alone as at least Mach 1.9, which is supersonic, and mind you he did so easily, meaning 2000mph is near where his speed is at, which not only allows him to effortlessly stomp Stain, but is not that far away the level hypersonic level of 3000 mph. I never claimed he was hypersonic, but was close to it. Not sure why you think you’ve won when feats and calcs are both against you, but who am I to tell you what to believe
@justberad: He wasn't effortlessly dodging bullets that time and he was already putting significant amount of effort when trying to dodge bullets from Kenny henchmens. Again, that feat doesn't put him anywhere near Hypersonic. S4 Levi would be supersonic+ considering how he dodged Beast Titan rocks effortlessly.
To be clear, dodging bullets after they're fired towards you from certain distances can be impressive. But it's not inherently supersonic or hypersonic. It all depends on the combination of what happened. I'm not quite sure if we'd consider Levi's action as dodging bullets after they're fired, but rather that he's fast enough that the people trying to shoot him just can't find a decent shot or predict his trajectory. Which is really impressive, but again, not necceraily dodging a bullet from a short distance heading towards you.
TL;DR There’s zero examples of Levi being a bullet timer.
@divyansh13: @divyansh13: Machia would never get hurt by any of the Titan shifters. Not even the Warhammer Titan can damage it. Also you do realize Machia had insane stamina, right? Shiggy and Machia were combating against each other for two months nonstop and without any rest. So I doubt if Machia would get worn out before he bullrushes and blitzes all of those mindless Titan's napes. And not to mention Machia would thrash the Colossal Titan in terms of physicals and the only thing that would pose a threat to Machia is Armin's transformation, which isn't spammable. Just admit it, AOT verse is fodder compared to even MHA verse, not only in terms of speed, but in sheer striking strength and durability as well. No titans (although individually) can cause significant damage to a mountain like Machia does. They are weak to the point that they get wrecked by mere dynamites and can get pierced through by axes easily as shown during the fight between Sasha and an Abnormal Titan. And even the Armored Titan's plates got wrecked by WW3 cannons easily and Attack Titan's hardened punches wrecked the latter's armor too. Their durability and strength pale in comparison to how Machia could level entire city blocks by bullrushing at great speeds.
@belando: I admit AOT characters are fodder compared to MHA characters, but Levi is a bullet timer confirmed by statements. Not disagreeing with you or anything, but seeing that he dodged bullets point blank implies that he is supersonic but still not even close to Hypersonic. But you still need to provide evidence on how Stain is faster than Levi? Is it scaling from 5 to 8 percent Deku who dodged muzzle bullets at an incredibly short distance or another type of feat? Coz that version of Deku was a much stronger version so you can't use that scaling. Also is there any evidence to back up your claims on how Iida is supersonic? Maybe FTE, but I can't recall that version of Iida breaking the sound barrier.
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