SSJ4 gogeta vs ssj4 broly
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@jgames: ....I suppose.
Gogeta One Shots Broly.
Nope.
Gogeta totally humiliates Broly for 30 minutes like he did to Omega Shenron, then runs out of fusion time, splits up into SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta, and then the two still beat Broly up.
So Gogeta still wins either way.
Gogeta One Shots Broly.
Nope.
Gogeta totally humiliates Broly for 30 minutes like he did to Omega Shenron, then runs out of fusion time, splits up into SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta, and then the two still beat Broly up.
So Gogeta still wins either way.
I guess you're right.
Only that SSJ 44 fusion last for 10 minutes, not 30.
Gogeta toys with Broly, the fusion wears off, and then SSJ4 Goku solos anyway.
Jmarshmallow
THIS.
Hypothetical battle if it were more realistic vegeta would freeze up and goku would get his ass kicked for about 30 min before goku has to commit suicide to kill Broly
Boly LSSJ is about even with Kid Gohan & SPC.
LSSJ2 would loose to Goku SSJ3, as an SSJ3 he would be around twice as strong as Goku SSJ3, so around Ultimate Gohan Level. LSSj4 = 10x SSJ3, proven by DBGT.
Since Vegito ~ SSJ4 Goku, whom is 10x stronger than Buuhan, Broly wouldn't even make it to the Baby Arc of Dragonball GT. Super Android 17 is x10 stronger than Goku SSJ4 (17 Arc), whom murder stomps his SSJ4 self in SSJ3. Syn Shenron is 10x stronger than Limits surpassed Goku SSJ4, and even stronger than his 10x kamehameha which is essentially, Goku SSj4 Limits Surpassed (whom is wayyy stronger than Super 17) x10. Omega Shenron than comes into play and is over 10x stronger than Syn shenron. Gogeta SSJ4 absolutely humilated him and is over 10x stronger than that.
Do you see how over-wanked Broly is?
He's nothing more than a weak LSSJ who would get finger flicked by any SSJ3 Buu Arc or above adversary, much less making it to the likes of High End GT Characters.
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Restrained SSJ Brolly: Galaxy Buster.
Goku: Not galaxy buster
SSJ Goku: Still not galaxy buster
SS2 Goku: Still not there
SS3: Nope, not there.
SS4 Goku: Aaand...nope, still not there.
SS4 Gogeta: Oh And-! Nope. Still can't even prove it.
LSSJ Brolly: Galaxy Buster+
LSS3 Brolly: 4-8x Galaxy Buster
LSS4 Brolly: Do I even need to explain it?
Restrained SSJ Brolly: Galaxy Buster. Hyperbole. The movie isn't cannon. However the best evidence that we have for SSJ2s is Solar System Busters. Seeing as how SPC could destroy the solar system.
Goku: Not galaxy buster Casual Planetary Buster, Proven by Friezas feats. Since Base Goku Kaio Ken > Frieza. You do the math.
SSJ Goku: Still not galaxy buster As a SSJ he would be near solar level.
SS2 Goku: Still not there Solar system buster.
SS3: Nope, not there. Multi Solar system buster, seeing as how SSJ3 4x SSj2
SS4 Goku: Aaand...nope, still not there. same as above but to a higher degree
SS4 Gogeta: Oh And-! Nope. Still can't even prove it. Omega shenron said himself he could destroy the universe. Gogeta is easily a multi universe buster
LSSJ Brolly: Galaxy Buster+ wrong/ solar buster
LSS3 Brolly: 4-8x Galaxy Buster / multi solar
LSS4 Brolly: Do I even need to explain it? / same as above but to a higher degree
Your an idiot.
Another derp who knows nothing about dragonball z.
Your an idiot.
Irony.
Your an idiot.
Irony.
Thats not what I said, he said that.
Gogeta stomps and puts the complete smackdown on him.Broly is overrated to hell.Broly in no shape or form is a match for Gogeta.It be like when Ultimate Gohan punched Frieza in Janemba movie.One hit and he explodes
@sheenlantern: Brolly, because he still has better feats than all of them. Multiplications via transformations don't mean crap if your power is still lower than dirt. And theirs are all jokes compared to Brolly's.
GT is weak garbage. Nothing but speculation and hyperbole. Brolly has a stand-alone feat, which has never been replicated by anyone else. Not Cell. Not Buu. Not Omega Shenron. Nobody.
Omega Shenron's listed PL: 9billion
Goku's SS2 PL as of Buu Saga: 6billion.
Anyone see what's wrong there? Don't worry. I'll explain it. The only way for a SS4 Goku to be losing out to Shenron, is if he was vastly weaker than his DBZ counterpart. Given that GT is non-canon Alternate Universe, that is very much the case.
Really, that Mugen battle holds more legitimacy than GT.
@reikai: Broly is nothing.SSJ3 Goku would curbstomp Broly like its his job and SSJ4 Gogeta and SSj4 Broly is no different.It be like SSJ Vegito vs Dabura:Complete annihilation
Brolly, because he still has better feats than all of them. Multiplications via transformations don't mean crap if your power is still lower than dirt. And theirs are all jokes compared to Brolly's.
Power > Feats in DBZ.
GT is weak garbage. Nothing but speculation and hyperbole. Brolly has a stand-alone feat, which has never been replicated by anyone else. Not Cell. Not Buu. Not Omega Shenron. Nobody.
That's because the dub-error made you, and many others believe that Broly could ever have done such a thing. I can point out so many flaws in the belief, but I won't for now at least.
Omega Shenron's listed PL: 9billion
Goku's SS2 PL as of Buu Saga: 6billion.
Uh, why are you going by PLs? They're unreliable Post-Frieza Saga.
Anyone see what's wrong there? Don't worry. I'll explain it. The only way for a SS4 Goku to be losing out to Shenron, is if he was vastly weaker than his DBZ counterpart. Given that GT is non-canon Alternate Universe, that is very much the case.
Not at all.
Base GT Goku was = SSJ3 Goku (General Rildo), that is vastly stronger than his DBZ Counterpart.
Broly is below even SSJ2 Teen Gohan tier.
What was said above me is true:Power over Feats in DBZ.I mean SSJ Vegito never busted a planet that means he's below Frieza.Think about it
@reaverlation: And you, like everyone like you, have absolutely nothing to back that up.
@reikai: there was nothing special about him.He had trouble with SSJ2 teen gohan someone who doesn't compare to SSJ2 goku or Majin Vegeta let alone SSJ3 goku.Broly is nothing.He's not a higher level than SSJ2 Kid Gohan let alone SPC.Broly is trash and always will be compared to the powerhouse of the cell games let alone the buu saga or even GT
@reaverlation: Brolly had no trouble with SS2 Gohan. He was toyin with him. Slapping him around like a child. SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan and SSJ Goten were all getting easily overpowered by him. And as noted, SS2 Goku already had a power not far off from Omega Shenron's stated level. Which just indicates how pathetically weak GT is.
You have nothing. And I can still make this even worse for you. Since the majority of folks don't even realize the true horror that Brolly accomplished.
@reaverlation: Brolly had no trouble with SS2 Gohan. He was toyin with him. Slapping him around like a child. SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan and SSJ Goten were all getting easily overpowered by him. And as noted, SS2 Goku already had a power not far off from Omega Shenron's stated level. Which just indicates how pathetically weak GT is.
You have nothing. And I can still make this even worse for you. Since the majority of folks don't even realize the true horror that Brolly accomplished.
Actually that's all wrong. That was a weak SSJ2 version of Gohan, he was strong as a Kid; backed by the Manga. I still see it as LSSJ Broly = Kid Gohan SSJ2.
Power levels are useless post Frieza saga, even Akira Toriyama said that. Going by feats, Omega Shenron is a Universal Buster. Far beyond any characters of Dragonball Z; even Goku Super Saiyan God.
Broly never accomplished any true horror whatsoever. Frieza destroyed all of the Saiyan Race, Majin Buu destroyed every single human on the planet and a majority of the Z Fighters. Broly killed nobody, nor does he have feats to even put him within range of Buu saga characters.
He's trash.
@reikai: That was a weaker and less experienced gohan than the one who fought cell who would beat lssj broly as well.In movie 8,they weren't as strong as they were when they were at the cell games and thats why they were losing.Movie 10 was off as well.SSJ Broly curbstomped ssj goten and trunks but base gohan gave him a good fight.That means base gohan was stronger than ssj goten and trunks?Not in this world.So I see a weaker gohan putting a good fight against broly but expected to be at Kid Gohans level?Yeah...no Broly loses to anyone ssj2 goku and above
Movie states Gohan was actually stronger than when he was a kid. You all forget, the movies don't precisely follow the series canon. Gohan got weaker in the main canon. He didn't in the movies.
In Daizenshuu 4, Daizenshuu 7, Dragon Ball Landmark, and the Dragon Ball: Super Exciting Guides, Akira Toriyama explains that he envisioned the Dragon Ball cosmos as a big ball. This ball is divided up in two halves: the lower half is the realm of the living (or "The Universe") and the upper half is the Other World (or "The Cosmos"), with Hell located between the two halves.
The realm of living is divided into four quadrants based on the cardinal directions, each ruled by a Kai chosen among the Shin-jins from Planet Kaishin.
The Four Cardinal Directions. The Four "Galaxies", North, South, East and West, are, in fact, Quadrants. Each making up a quarter of the Living Universe.
The universe (宇宙, uchū) is the totality of existence, including planets, stars, galaxies (銀河, ginga), the contents of intergalactic space, and all matter and energy. There are twelve universes in the Dragon Ball series,[1] and the Seventh Universe is where planet Earth is located.
The South Galaxy is, in fact, the Southern Quadrant of the Universe, which would contain innumerable galaxies within it. In the 8th Movie, we see Brolly all but destroying the South Galaxy, aka the Southern Quadrant.
Brolly was the God of Destruction before there was one. He accomplished an unparalleled destructive feat exceeding beyond that of any Dragonball figure to date. He destroyed a quarter of the material universe in one shot.
You have nothing that can even remotely compare. Brolly's power is incalculable and ever-increasing. OS, SS4 Gogeta. They're nothing. GT is nothing. Brolly's only competition to date would be Birus and the yet unnamed remaining 11 Gods of Destruction. That's it.
And you, like everyone like you, have absolutely nothing to back that up.
He gave you a clear example, by your logic you'd be saying that Freiza would beat Super Vegito, because Frieza has better feats. DBZ differs greatly from Marvel/DC, feats don't matter if your power is superior.
Brolly had no trouble with SS2 Gohan. He was toyin with him. Slapping him around like a child. SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan and SSJ Goten were all getting easily overpowered by him.
Nope, that was MSSJ Gohan. He didn't go SSJ2, as he wouldn't have as much control over it as he did in the Cell Saga. If it was Cell Saga Teen Gohan Broly would have gotten raped. And you have nothing that suggests that Goku, and Gohan were SSJ2.
And as noted, SS2 Goku already had a power not far off from Omega Shenron's stated level. Which just indicates how pathetically weak GT is.
I like how you're basing your logic off of unreliable sources. GT Base Goku is only inferior to Super Buu, Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, Buutenks, Buuhan, and Super Vegito. SSJ4 Goku is stronger than everything in DBZ.
So no, GT is not "pathetically" weak.
You have nothing. And I can still make this even worse for you. Since the majority of folks don't even realize the true horror that Brolly accomplished.
Nope, I think it's just you that can't get your head around the fact that the whole "Galaxy-Busting" feat was a dub-error, and I also admire how you ignore the fact that Broly hasn't beaten anyone SSJ2 Teen Gohan tier, yet you still make up the rubbish you're spouting on this thread.
After all, Broly was one-shotted by a SSJ Goku (who was amped with the battle-worn Ki of 4 other Saiyans, and a Namekian).
G'Day..
Movie states Gohan was actually stronger than when he was a kid. You all forget, the movies don't precisely follow the series canon. Gohan got weaker in the main canon. He didn't in the movies.
I'd like to see where exactly it says that Gohan was stronger, and somehow had the same mastery over SSJ2 that he did years before in the Cell Saga.
Brolly was the God of Destruction before there was one. He accomplished an unparalleled destructive feat exceeding beyond that of any Dragonball figure to date. He destroyed a quarter of the material universe in one shot.
It doesn't matter, as the whole belief was the result of a dub-error, along with all of the other flaws behind your argument. And like I said, Power > Feats.
You have nothing that can even remotely compare. Brolly's power is incalculable and ever-increasing. OS, SS4 Gogeta. They're nothing. GT is nothing. Brolly's only competition to date would be Birus and the yet unnamed remaining 11 Gods of Destruction. That's it.
SSJ4 Gogeta > DBGT/DBZ/DB/Movies. Bills is nothing to him.
@reikai: broly destroying a galaxy(which he didn't do at once)isnt how DBZ works.Wanna do non canon feats?Buuhan was yelling and tearing apart the universe and SSJ Vegito stopped him by exerting himself.Even if Gohan was ssj2(which I believe he wasnt as there were signs of hime being ssj2)It still doesn't help you along with Goku being only SSJ 1 not 2.They weren't as strong at their manga counterparts.Broly did nothing to suggest he can take on someone as SSJ3 Goku or anybody of his caliber or above(like kid buu or any buu beside good buu who can give Broly a hell of a fight and possibly win).Broly is trash to any buu saga powerhouse
He gave you a clear example, by your logic you'd be saying that Freiza would beat Super Vegito, because Frieza has better feats. DBZ differs greatly from Marvel/DC, feats don't matter if your power is superior.
And how do you prove your power is superior? Oh right, you either;
A. Perform feats greater than the oposition
or
B. Display abilities by defeating others.
Nvm that the bomb created by Dr. Gero to kill Goku was based on the level shown in the Saiyan Saga and that the device had enough power to destroy the world, which would've been capable of killing Goku at the time. Vegeta is also labeled as a planet-buster at that time. While not displayed, but listed and confirmed by Toriyama, Perfect Cell is solar-system level. Author Confirmation beats all your speculation.
Nope, that was MSSJ Gohan. He didn't go SSJ2, as he wouldn't have as much control over it as he did in the Cell Saga. If it was Cell Saga Teen Gohan Broly would have gotten raped. And you have nothing that suggests that Goku, and Gohan were SSJ2
Daizenshuu 6 states that both Goku and Gohan were SS2 and that the animators forgot to add the electric aura. We could still tell it was SS2 because of the design. When Adult Gohan is normal SSJ, there are two lengths of hair over his face. When he's SS2, there is only one piece.
As we see, there is Gohan SS2 in the series on the left, and SS2 Gohan from Movie 10 on the right. Their hair is identical. The only difference is the aura which, as noted in the Official Dragonball Encyclopedia (The Daizenshuu), was mistakenly left out by the animators. And confirms that Gohan and Goku were SS2 in the movie.
I like how you're basing your logic off of unreliable sources. GT Base Goku is only inferior to Super Buu, Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, Buutenks, Buuhan, and Super Vegito. SSJ4 Goku is stronger than everything in DBZ.
That's your unproven speculation. SS4 Goku has worse displays than SS1 Goku in DBZ. Again, it's an Alternate Universe. their strength/abilities are completely inconsistent with the main canon. You can't even begin to compare or pretend that GT Goku is superior with such vast inconsistencies blatantly telling you how ridiculously weak the series is.
Nope, I think it's just you that can't get your head around the fact that the whole "Galaxy-Busting" feat was a dub-error, and I also admire how you ignore the fact that Broly hasn't beaten anyone SSJ2 Teen Gohan tier, yet you still make up the rubbish you're spouting on this thread.
It's not a dub error. And given we actually witness it happening, and the fact King Kai reacted Immediately to the event, shows it happened Just Right Then. And you acting as if the transformations have any real meaning is utterly laughable.
Do you really believe stat multipliers really mean anything if the overall abilities of the person are crap? If we went by your reasoning, Cooler would be beating everybody. SS3 Goku included. Because his stat multiplier is higher than everyone elses.
After all, Broly was one-shotted by a SSJ Goku (who was amped with the battle-worn Ki of 4 other Saiyans, and a Namekian).
Plot Device. We all know it. Explained dozens of times over.
You really wanna play that game? How about Omega Shenron being completely incapable of killing Goku and Vegeta in their Base, Untransformed states, even when screaming and yelling how much he was going to kill them. For all the BS claims of OS' power and being able to "smack SS4's around", then why is he so completely incompetent and soft-handed that he can't even kill people who're already half dead?
SSJ4 Gogeta is most powerful character in all of DB/Z/GT.Only Goku after the 100 years is stronger(speculation)and a GT SSJ4 Vegito(More likely seeing how potara fusions are stronger)SSJ4 Gogeta is a monster
Only way Broly would be stronger is if he were in his LSSJ form, and had been in that form for a good bit of time. People probably know but then some don't but i'm gonna say it. Broly's LSSJ power increases exponentially the more he fights, not like any other saiyan.
@redmonkeyssj4: actually that doesn't happen.He just can't handle too much energy if I remember
has broly gone SSJ4? i didnt even know he went SSJ3
Nope.
I haven't watched GT or the Broly movies in years. But from what I feel, Broly always loses due to the fact that he gotta lose since he's the antagonist. Whether it's by legit means or by random plot induced stupidity, Broly must "die". Other than Bio-Broly, I really don't see any of the other two Broly's actually losing without having the plot going against him. In the first movie, Goku's Kamehameha wave did like nothing to Broly. And Broly just tossed around everyone during that battle like they are paper. So I highly doubt that transferring Ki/Energy from one to another and concentrating it into one single punch will actually work against Broly. I mean, it's the residual power of the 4 or so fighters, so it's not even their full power. It's their remaining powers that their bodies are too injured to use because they used as much as possible already. The second time Broly was defeated is actually in a similar manner too, a combined attack. Or in this case, a family Kamehameha wave, which only worked because the Dragon Balls brought forth the spirit of Goku who is supposedly extremely strong or something.
I just feel that antagonist, like Broly, who is just made for a movie and is meant to be defeated and not recurring antagonist really suffers from 'feats'. At the end of the movie, these antagonist will always lose to one reason or another that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Okay, back on topic. SSJ4 Broly is hypothetical. So...he automatically loses. If you assume that it's not hypothetical, fusion usually beats non-fusion 99.99% of the time. Fusion is basically the killer, ultimate move in DBZ that essentially means instant win, if they don't screw up. This does not apply to Gotenks and only to Goku/Vegeta. So...Broly loses again. If you assume it's a LSSJ4, then it's even harder to make up stuff for.
I don't know myself, but I heard that you guys are saying that GT's power level are much higher than Z's and don't contribute to GT being "non-canon". Just wondering, why can't the characters in GT just train like mad and boost their base levels so it's stronger?
Goku has NEVER once blown up a planet so I guess he cant right? Same logic.
Gohan made Broly flinch but let me guess: PIS?
Goku took major hits from LSSJ Broly who is > SSJ broly who "busted" a galaxy but im guessing him not dying on punch one is also PIS?
Apparently the only non PIS moment in broly history is him "destroying" a galaxy. Gogeta stomps.
@limilicious: Obvious cause its for plot,hero beats bad guy even in stupid way with hax spirit punch to gut but no Broly is whateves.His best chance is the cell games saga characters from Goku,Gohan,and Cell.When Buu was introduced,thats when Broly was outclassed by a huge margin with broly giving small difficulty to SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta.SSJ3 Goku and up is a field day for them against Broly
@reaverlation: Errrr. I understand that. I'm saying the same thing for Buu, Cell, and Frieza as well. It just sucks that DBZ, or Japanese anime/manga, isn't like the DC/Marvel comics where the antagonists are recurring and comes back. I mean Buu got beaten to a pulp by Baby easily, since Buu was also stuck in time and unable to get stronger, I think. And then Buu fused with Uub. Then they fought for a while. But the point is still that many of the antagonists in Japanese anime/manga are meant to be doomed and are stagnant, as in they don't get stronger, except Cooler and Broly in their respective movies. But that's only a slight power increase in the overall picture.
Is it just me or is the idea of training their base level means nothing and often forgotten? I mean before all the SSJ stuff started, Goku was just training his base levels/powers. And that's the way he's been at it since he was a kid and getting stronger. Then he learned the KK, which boost his strength several times. And SSJ basically does the same thing. And somehow "obtaining new forms = only way of power boost". Or that's what some of you guys are implying. I'm pretty certain that I remember watching scenes where Goku was training in Heaven with heavy weights in his base form. So, the base form of the SSJ2 Goku during when Goku dealt with Broly in Hell should be much stronger than the Goku that fought with Broly in the first place. God, that sentence is confusing. And by that theory, when SSJ3 Goku returns to Earth, his base form should also be much stronger than when he died with Cell. So following that, SSJ3 Goku's SSJ1 or SSJ2 should be sufficient against LSSJ Broly, since Broly is stagnant and his base form never gets stronger.
@limilicious: In the gaming intros the only thing that could even survive LSSJ Brolly was SSJ Gogeta. Even fans agree that a SS3 Vegitto was like the only hope of even going against LSSJ Brolly, and all he managed to do was push him out into space when going all out.
And that was SS3 Vegitto. Brolly wasn't even LSSJ3. Had Brolly gone that far he would've trounced him. So even the fans who do their own works are aware of just how insanely powerful he is.
Brolly is a figure whose power increases without limit. He was already powerful enough at the start of Movie 8 to nearly completely obliterate 1/4th of the material universe while in a restricted form. In pretty much all of the game scenarios where Brolly wins, the whole universe ends up being destroyed. He's the first and original Universal Threat in the DBU.
And, hypothetically, increasing Brolly's power to the rank of LSSJ4, would place him so far above everyone else it's ludicrous. As I have said, using stat multipliers means nothing if their power is junk. Well, Brolly's power already exceeds everyone elses. He has the highest destructive feat of any character in the DBU. Granting him LSSJ4 status, that would be like 40-80x more destructive potential than he's already shown.
Essentially, he wouldn't just destroy the Living Universe. He'd waste the Cosmos (Otherworld), Hell and the Demonworld along with it. That is the hypothetical insanity we are looking at.
@reikai: bro you are bringing destructive feats in DBZ but that is not how it works.frieza destroyed a planet but I guess he can best SSJ3 goku?Kid Buu destroyed a planet but I guess he can beat Ultimate Gohan?Power Levels are everything in DBZ.Again Broly in any of the movies is no match for anyone from Good Buu and above.
Some of you are severely misinformed to the point that it is pathetic. Im sorry, but it is true.
Does ssj4 Broly count as fan made on comicvine?
@limilicious: I wasn't trying to sound like a douche please don't mistake it and I apologize.The training thing I believe and thought the same thing but I believe when Goku mastered the SuperSaiyan form it was harder to level up as they hit a huge stop where they needed SSJ2 to help them level up like they open up the path again.Thats why Goku always told Gohan that there is no point in training as they hit their limit.But it's still complicated because he had a bigger power boost in the 10 year gap compared to the 7 year gap as supposedly his base form was as strong as his SSJ3 form so its hard to understand
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