Anime/Manga Feats
SSJ2 Teen Gohan vs Cosmic Fear Garou
Either way. Both are likely some speed much faster than light, and both are somewhere around solar system level.
I just noticed that the anime was allowed which makes SSJ 2 scales to broly galaxy bust. This becomes a massive stomp.
@alextheboss: SMH
I just noticed that the anime was allowed which makes SSJ 2 scales to broly galaxy bust. This becomes a massive stomp.
Wha
@takenstew22: The DBZ anime and the 13 animated movies are in the same time line. They scale to each other.
@lordragoon: No, they are not. All the movies contradict the main story and don't fit the timeline of events at all. Toriyama himself stated movies take place in seperated dimensions from the main story too.
@gaoron: Can you show me the statement from Toriyama were it was stated the DBZ animated movies are separate dimensions? Because the Koyama the writer of the DBZ anime and the 13 animated movies stated they were in the same time line which makes them able to scale to one another.
https://twitter.com/koyamatakao194/status/1502920722083364865?s=20&t=eQWX11JCEkmI-KSnn575Tw
https://twitter.com/koyamatakao194/status/1465670619404509189?s=20&t=eQWX11JCEkmI-KSnn575Tw
https://twitter.com/koyamatakao194/status/1463862890675408899?s=20&t=eQWX11JCEkmI-KSnn575Tw
@gaoron: Can you show me the statement from Toriyama were it was stated the DBZ animated movies are separate dimensions? Because the Koyama the writer of the DBZ anime and the 13 animated movies stated they were in the same time line which makes them able to scale to one another.
https://twitter.com/koyamatakao194/status/1502920722083364865?s=20&t=eQWX11JCEkmI-KSnn575Tw
https://twitter.com/koyamatakao194/status/1465670619404509189?s=20&t=eQWX11JCEkmI-KSnn575Tw
https://twitter.com/koyamatakao194/status/1463862890675408899?s=20&t=eQWX11JCEkmI-KSnn575Tw
What is your personal stance on Dragon Ball’s theatrical films, Sensei?
I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic”. I’m entirely just an audience member for them.
Source: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-6-akira-toriyama-super-interview/
Pre-BoG movies have way too many contradictions to fit into the main story. During events of most movies characters are either dead or off planet. The only movie that could fit the main story in any way is Wrath of the Dragon.
Thanks for the info. But in this situation, I would take Koyama words over Toriyama. Toriyama was referring to the manga not the anime. Toriyama is word of God for canon DB and in this situation he really had no involvement for the original anime or 13 animated movies. He was busy writing the original manga at the time. It would be like if Toriyama made comments about DBH today which would not really affect anything since he had real no involvement and it would still be non canon.
@gaoron: Can you show me the statement from Toriyama were it was stated the DBZ animated movies are separate dimensions? Because the Koyama the writer of the DBZ anime and the 13 animated movies stated they were in the same time line which makes them able to scale to one another.
https://twitter.com/koyamatakao194/status/1502920722083364865?s=20&t=eQWX11JCEkmI-KSnn575Tw
https://twitter.com/koyamatakao194/status/1465670619404509189?s=20&t=eQWX11JCEkmI-KSnn575Tw
https://twitter.com/koyamatakao194/status/1463862890675408899?s=20&t=eQWX11JCEkmI-KSnn575Tw
What is your personal stance on Dragon Ball’s theatrical films, Sensei?
I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic”. I’m entirely just an audience member for them.
Source: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-6-akira-toriyama-super-interview/
Pre-BoG movies have way too many contradictions to fit into the main story. During events of most movies characters are either dead or off planet. The only movie that could fit the main story in any way is Wrath of the Dragon.
Garou get smoked and blitzed to hell and back by gohan lol. Goku and pikkon flying to hell from grand kai planet. Time stamp 5:05 to 5:13
Gohan blitzes and one shots , he already vaporized Cell Juniors with each punch, and they are all large star level
He didn't vaporize them with his punch, he broke them apart with his punch and then they turned to dust, lol
OT: Gohan oneshots, and when are people going to stop using the RL physics to wank feats to levels they clearly aren't at?
@baalhaddad: I agree Gohan wins against Garou in a stomp but I think this was retconned that Gohan vape punched cell jrs more like pulverized them
The cell jrs regen offscreen and live on Android 17 island
GAROU's feat has been confirmed in chapter 168 so much so that it took a causality reversal just to repair that hole, even if we zoom-in we can even see the first couple of stars REAPPEARING in the middle of the hole and the multitudes of stars reappearing in the margin of said Hole as the causality reversal took its course. So garou is multi solar system. On the other hand, teen cell arc Gohan struggled against a single solar system cell who had no multiple-stars busting feat on panel.
And before some one say that CF garou was Impressed by a large planet level sneeze
Just remember he avoided a point-blank range Large planet sneeze.
That Sneeze was capable of destroying 4 to 5 "EARTH" SIZED PLANETS in one blow. And GAROU evaded that sneeze at POINT-BLANK range.
Heck, even BUU arc SSJ1 GOKU AND VEGETA were terrified and impressed of kid Buu's planet Earth busting Energy Ball even though they could probably tank it.
On top of that DBS Goku and Vegeta were also impressed by Beerus' planet level sneeze.
DBS Base Goku and base Vegeta are hundreds of times stronger than SsJ2 Cell Arc Gohan. Yet they were impressed by planet busting sneeze of Beerus.
And before some one say that CF garou was Impressed by a large planet level sneeze
Just remember he avoided a point-blank range Large planet sneeze.
That Sneeze was capable of destroying 4 to 5 "EARTH" SIZED PLANETS in one blow. And GAROU evaded that sneeze at POINT-BLANK range.
Heck, even BUU arc SSJ1 GOKU AND VEGETA were terrified and impressed of kid Buu's planet Earth busting Energy Ball even though they could probably tank it.
On top of that DBS Goku and Vegeta were also impressed by Beerus' planet level sneeze.
DBS Base Goku and base Vegeta are hundreds of times stronger than SsJ2 Cell Arc Gohan. Yet they were impressed by planet busting sneeze of Beerus.
This. It's not like Garo dodged it from a far, cuz I mean he was just less than a meter from Saitama when that sneeze happened and he still dodged it. That's equivalent to dodging several planet earths simultaneously exploding right in front of your face.
Oh boy. With anime allowed for Gohan, this is actually a debate. Babidi said that Super Saiyan 2 Buu Saga Gohan was enough to power up half of the energy Majin Buu required. And the Buu Saga also tells us that this Gohan is weaker and of less fighting spirit than the Super Saiyan 2 Gohan from the Cell Games. That energy (and the rest collected) brought us the fat form of Majin Buu. This form appeared to be inferior to Kid Buu when they fought, and Kid Buu was shown in anime feats to have the power to lay waste to an entire galaxy.
So:
Anime Kid Buu: At least high multi-solar system, if not sub-galaxy or outright galaxy level.
Kid Buu > Majin Buu
50% Majin Buu = Buu Saga SSJ2 Gohan
Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan > Buu Saga SSJ2 Gohan
That makes a pretty good argument for this anime-allowed Gohan to be in at least the high multi-solar system range himself.
Now what about his speed?
Again allowing anime for Gohan makes this crazy. This Gohan is superior to Pre-Otherworld Tournament Base Goku, who in an anime feat crossed Otherworld with Pikkon INCREDIBLY QUICKLY. This is a crazy speed feat because Otherworld is implied to be at least comparable to the size of the mortal universe, if not perhaps bigger than it. I know this is a travel speed feat for Base Goku, but characters in DBZ actually seem to have better combat speed than travel speed most of the time and this Goku is way below what Super Saiyan 2 Gohan would be.
Now how about Garou?
Garou and Saitama colliding their Serious Punches created a big explosion that, after being redirected away from Earth by Blast and his crew, laid waste to a very large amount of stars. This event was known as the Serious Punch Squared, and I guess you could say Garou put in half of the work. The exact number of stars is unknown… but it could easily be thousands, maybe even millions, given the size and amount of other stars on the page and the size of the hole. However, Garou also upscales from this feat because he and Saitama both keep getting stronger. Saitama’s power increases due to finally being faced with a real challenge again, and Garou’s power increases as he keeps using his Copy Mode to jump to Saitama’s new levels. Saitama finally reaches such a level of ridiculousness in power that he can devastate Jupiter with a sneeze and cross half the solar system almost as fast as instant hyperspace with a fart… not to mention travel through time and utterly dominate Garou and oneshot an earlier Garou out of his divine form. Garou didn’t quite reach that level of Saitama, but he did Copy Mode the last level before it. So Garou’s final power was pretty obviously even further beyond the Garou that contributed half of a high multi-solar system feat.
And what about Garou’s speed? Saitama blitzed Garou across Io incredibly fast. I’ve seen some calcs for that feat that crank it up to being hundreds of thousands, maybe even more than a million times faster than light. Garou copied a Saitama even faster and even stronger than that Saitama, in fact Garou copied Saitama several different times after Saitama had accelerated past that level of speed and strength. So Garou is pretty fast too…
All in all, I think Gohan scales to a better speed feat than Garou does. And their attack potency could be at least similar enough. So I think Gohan may actually take this. But no, I don’t see him just splitting Garou in half like a Cell Junior. That’s kind of ridiculous.
@tomlas: Confirmed in your fanfiction we know, what we want is for it to be confirmed in the actual story, lol. All that just for him to still panick at planets and moons destroyed 😂😂👍
Tough. Gohan and Garou seem to have arguably equal physicals, but Garou seems to be more versatile. Leaning to Garou because of HAX.
Garou 1 shots gohan is only solar system+ level with his strongest attack.
Garou is multi solar system level+ with serious punches he stomps
@cvuser377: it was confirmed tho.
It took a reverse causality just took fix it.
And btw DBS BASE GOKU AND VEGEta Also got scared by planet level sneeze from Beerus.
And base DBS Goku got hurt by a laser gun.
Fact check: DBS Goku wether Guarded or Not Guarded is several times stronger than SSJ2 GOHAN. YET a laser gun hurt.
And no. The argument that he was not on-guard does not hold water. Because even when his guard is DOWN DBS Base Goku should be several times stronger than SSJ2 Gohan and Cell yet despite that a mere Lazer gun hurt him.
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