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#1 Edited by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio
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Vs.

Round 1: Full Power Dabura

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Round 2: Super Perfect Cell

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Round 3: Ssj 2 Adolescent Gohan(Vs. Buu's Cocoon)

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Round 4: Ssj2 Vegeta Pre-Revival

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Round 5: Ssj2 Goku

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Final Round: Majin Vegeta

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Gohan has his Rage Boost so he is how he was when he beam struggled with Cell and he's fresh here

He gets a Senzu bean after every round

Also let me know your order and if I missed any Ssj2 level warriors

Does Gohan clear?

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#3 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

Would SSJ2 Gohan have defeated Cell if he didn't have outside help?

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#4 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3223 posts) - - Show Bio

The bottom 2 are arguably not SSJ2 tier. Loses to SSJ2 Vegeta easily.

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#5 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@man_of_miracles said:

The bottom 2 are arguably not SSJ2 tier. Loses to SSJ2 Vegeta easily.

Super Perfect Cell was at bare minimum equal to SSJ2 Gohan.

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#6 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3223 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: Not really. Gohan was horribly injured and still beat him with one arm.

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#7 Posted by Rxdking (862 posts) - - Show Bio

Would SSJ2 Gohan have defeated Cell if he didn't have outside help?

You realize gohan was fighting with 1 arm right?

He took a full powered shot from cell to stop it from killing trunks.

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#8 Posted by Mee09 (5326 posts) - - Show Bio

SSJ2 Vegeta beats him badly

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#9 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@rxdking said:

@limitlesssigil said:

Would SSJ2 Gohan have defeated Cell if he didn't have outside help?

You realize gohan was fighting with 1 arm right?

He took a full powered shot from cell to stop it from killing trunks.

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It wasn't a full powered shot, and again, Gohan had a lot of outside help/plot armor in order to defeat cell.

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#10 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3223 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: That's exactly the point. He wasn't full powered and he was gravely injured. Him requiring outside help is more evidence of that. Again he beat super perfect cell with one arm while barely able to stand up.

That hardly qualifies super perfect cell as SSJ2 tier. That's worse than saying final Frieza is SSJ tier because he kept up with a badly injured newly transformed Goku.

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#11 Posted by Rxdking (862 posts) - - Show Bio

@rxdking said:

@limitlesssigil said:

Would SSJ2 Gohan have defeated Cell if he didn't have outside help?

You realize gohan was fighting with 1 arm right?

He took a full powered shot from cell to stop it from killing trunks.

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It wasn't a full powered shot, and again, Gohan had a lot of outside help/plot armor in order to defeat cell.

It was a full powered shot.

Cell:

Had a zenkai boost. ( 2 to be exact).

Goku gave him the last senzu bean.

Gohan just finished fighting for a stupid long time.

Mopped up all the cell jr's.

Half alive.

Took a shot that was meant to KILL (so don't come at me with that weak argument of it not being full powered)

Anyway:

Do you have any intention on actually responding to OP's thread or you want to keep derailing?

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#12 Edited by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@rxdking said:
@limitlesssigil said:

@rxdking said:

@limitlesssigil said:

Would SSJ2 Gohan have defeated Cell if he didn't have outside help?

You realize gohan was fighting with 1 arm right?

He took a full powered shot from cell to stop it from killing trunks.

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It wasn't a full powered shot, and again, Gohan had a lot of outside help/plot armor in order to defeat cell.

It was a full powered shot.

Cell:

Had a zenkai boost. ( 2 to be exact).

Goku gave him the last senzu bean.

Gohan just finished fighting for a stupid long time.

Mopped up all the cell jr's.

Half alive.

Took a shot that was meant to KILL (so don't come at me with that weak argument of it not being full powered)

Anyway:

Do you have any intention on actually responding to OP's thread or you want to keep derailing?

Meant to kill a fodder named Vegeta(so don't come at me with that weak argument of it being full powered)

How is this derailing from the thread lmao? Super Perfect Cell is in this gauntlet... you tripping?

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#13 Posted by Karkus (471 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: Not really. Gohan was horribly injured and still beat him with one arm.

You have to note that Vegeta distracted Cell, and this is what the Daizenshuu says about that Kamehameha.

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Don't forget how Gohan got so injured.

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#14 Posted by Karkus (471 posts) - - Show Bio

@rxdking:

Had a zenkai boost. ( 2 to be exact).

Only one Zenkai boost is ever mentioned.

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#15 Edited by Karkus (471 posts) - - Show Bio

@man_of_miracles:

That's worse than saying final Frieza is SSJ tier because he kept up with a badly injured newly transformed Goku.

Frieza was Injured as well. Of course he isn't SSJ Tier, but I've never heard anyone actually make this argument. The only feasible argument for such a claim is the Chozenshu guidebook statement.

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#16 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3223 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: Bro. What is your argument here?

How Gohan got injured is irrelevant. He beat SPC with one arm, period. If SPC was SSJ2 tier that never would have worked at all.

SPC is simply not SSJ2 tier. Is he close? Yeah sure, as you can be without being SSJ2.

There really is no way to make an argument for SPC being SSJ2 considering how he lost to newly transformed SSJ2 Gohan.

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#17 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8354 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 1.

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#18 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@man_of_miracles said:

@karkus: Bro. What is your argument here?

How Gohan got injured is irrelevant. He beat SPC with one arm, period. If SPC was SSJ2 tier that never would have worked at all.

SPC is simply not SSJ2 tier. Is he close? Yeah sure, as you can be without being SSJ2.

There really is no way to make an argument for SPC being SSJ2 considering how he lost to newly transformed SSJ2 Gohan.

Lol completely ignored the amount of plot and outside help that Gohan had in order to defeat SPC, Don't bother responding to me if you're just going to be ignorant.

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#19 Posted by Rxdking (862 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: Let me show the two zenkai boosts.

First one.

Remember when (Perfect cell) got beat so badly, he puked out android 18?

Went from Perfect cell to - Semi imperfect Cell. Then shortly after ends up becoming perfect cell again?!

He was brutalized. His regeneration kicked in and ended up becoming perfect cell again. Thus the first zenkai boost.

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Second zenkai boost was when he blew him self up

Came back as SPC.

Man had 2 zenkai boosts in one fight.

And a senzu bean.

And cell jr's

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#20 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3223 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: Dude. The only person being ignorant is you.

The distraction is irrelevant. SSJ2 Gohan beat SPC with one arm when he was maybe half power and again badly injured.

Why don't you tell me any way in which SPC was SSJ2 level?

Although given your relatively poor understanding of other universes power levels I'm not surprised at your stance here.

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#21 Posted by Rxdking (862 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 3 if i haven't mentioned already.

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#22 Posted by Karkus (471 posts) - - Show Bio

@man_of_miracles:

Bro. What is your argument here?

That Gohan beating SPC with one arm had massive context that doesn't necessarily make One-Armed Gohan > SPC, especially since One-Armed Gohan was losing the struggle prior to Vegeta distracting him.

SPC is simply not SSJ2 tier. Is he close? Yeah sure, as you can be without being SSJ2.

I don't think he's SSJ2 Tier either, but like you said, he's close.

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#23 Edited by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

Quick note, what's stopping Dabura from turning Gohan into stone? Gohan will just try to tank his attack.

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#24 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8354 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: If SPC was struggling with a one armed weakened Gohan how is he beating him when he’s 100%???

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#25 Posted by Karkus (471 posts) - - Show Bio

@rxdking:

Once he pukes out 18, he stays Semi-Perfect Cell until he regenerates from the explosion. I don't see where in that video he goes from Semi-Perfect Cell back to Perfect. The Anime is just an adaption of the Manga anyway, and in the Manga, there is for sure only one Zenkai, and once he becomes Semi-Perfect, he stays that way until after the explosion.

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#26 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3223 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: My point is regardless of the context surrounding it SPC can't be SSJ2 tier if he lost to a brand new SSJ2 with one arm. That's what I'm saying.

But we agree that he isn't quite actually SSJ2 tier so I digress.

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#27 Posted by Karkus (471 posts) - - Show Bio
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#28 Posted by Karkus (471 posts) - - Show Bio

@man_of_miracles: So we agree that Cell isn't SSJ2 Tier, and that Cell isn't actually inferior to Weakened One Armed Gohan? Cool.

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#29 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3223 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: Nothing. That's the best chance Dabura has by far and should give him the win. But he better hope it doesn't hit Gohan's clothes first

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#30 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3223 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: I can agree on both accounts. My only argument is that SPC would stand no chance against a full power SSJ2 Gohan based on what happened against a one armed Gohan.

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#31 Edited by 106me (3732 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: lol first of all, Goku was inferior to Gohan at the time, so that is hardly an amp if it even is one at all.

Second, that's just flat out wrong. You're rationally telling me that the father and son kamehameha is more powerful than a majin kamehameha, a final kamehameha, and other variations in the series?

Dude, other users are trying to explain to you how Perfect Cell isn't in the SSJ2 tier with feats and scaling, yet you just stubbornly insist he is with no basis other than a statement from a hand book. We're not the ones being ignorant dude.

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#32 Posted by Karkus (471 posts) - - Show Bio

@106me:

lol first of all, Goku was inferior to Gohan at the time, so that is hardly an amp if it even is one at all.

It is an amp, and while Goku was inferior to Gohan, at the time, given how weakened Gohan was, they shouldn't be too far apart.

Second, that's just flat out wrong. You're rationally telling me that the father and son kamehameha is more powerful than a majin kamehameha, a final kamehameha, and other variations in the series?

It's stronger than any Kamehameha prior to that point, not after.

Dude, other users are trying to explain to you how Perfect Cell isn't in the SSJ2 tier with feats and scaling and you just stubbornly insist he is with no basis other than a statement from a hand book. We're not the ones being ignorant dude.

I never once said Cell is SSJ2 Tier, and I don't think he is. I also never called anyone ignorant. You must be confusing me with someone else.

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#33 Posted by Greysentinel365 (5613 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 2.

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#34 Edited by Co-Boss (248 posts) - - Show Bio

@greysentinel365: He stops at someone he already beat? SPC wasn't on Gohans level and Gohan had to be nerfed to make the fight fair.

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#35 Edited by Co-Boss (248 posts) - - Show Bio

He makes it to Pre-revival Vegeta who I honestly could see him beating. Vegeta played catch up to the form Gohan had achieved and he still talked about how impressive it was in the boo saga so I could see him being on the losing majority. I don't see Gohan beating ssj2 goku for a majority though.

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#36 Edited by Omega_kai (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably stops a 4 but definitely stops at 5.

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#37 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8354 posts) - - Show Bio

@co-boss: Vegeta was barely impressed that Goku teacher Gohans level he would stomp Gohan

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#38 Posted by Omega_kai (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus said:
@man_of_miracles said:

@limitlesssigil: Not really. Gohan was horribly injured and still beat him with one arm.

You have to note that Vegeta distracted Cell, and this is what the Daizenshuu says about that Kamehameha.

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Don't forget how Gohan got so injured.

The Daizenshuu contradicts the manga, at most what Gohan got from Goku was a pep talk all the power that came from the Kamehameha was his.

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#39 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (3318 posts) - - Show Bio

Quick note, what's stopping Dabura from turning Gohan into stone? Gohan will just try to tank his attack.

I don't see Gohan letting someone spit on him.

OT: Should stop at round 4 hard stop at round 5.

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#41 Posted by Co-Boss (248 posts) - - Show Bio

@precrisisbardock: if you're referring to when he got mad at Gohan on the ship (I honestly can't tell what you're trying to say) that was referring to the fact that he was far weaker than his previous self.

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#42 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (3231 posts) - - Show Bio

This is out of order, but he stops at Vegeta

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#43 Posted by CaptFalcon725 (1134 posts) - - Show Bio

Super Perfect Cell>Dabura>~SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan....transformations aside, none should have the power of SSJ2...Super Perfect Cell is debateable and I won't fuss if that's wrong.

On topic: SSJ2 Gohan loses to SSJ2 Goku and gets dominated by Majin Vegeta, who out of actual respect for Gohan, fight him without holding back.

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#44 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8354 posts) - - Show Bio

@co-boss: https://youtu.be/fPy1cVBVZbU

30 seconds in when Goku turns Ss2

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#45 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8354 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: Dabura will figure out he’s outmatched and resort to that. Teen Gohan is too arrogant that’s his weakness.

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#46 Edited by Co-Boss (248 posts) - - Show Bio

@precrisisbardock: That was Majin Vegeta who was not only stronger than his normal self but somehow even more arrogant. Non-Majin Vegeta was always admiring Gohan and I already said that Gohan would lose to his father (which is what your clip stated), just not to Vegeta. I put the super Saiyans as Majin Vegeta> SSJ2 Goku> Cell Fight Gohan> SSJ2 Vegeta> SSJ2 Time skip Gohan

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#47 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8354 posts) - - Show Bio

@co-boss: They hadn’t even gotten serious yet and Vegeta said it like it was a lowly feat. Vegeta trainer to be stronger than Ss2 Gohan even without the Majin boost. Even before he went majin he was disgusted with how weak Gohan had gotten.

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#48 Edited by Co-Boss (248 posts) - - Show Bio

@precrisisbardock: As I had said, just because Gohan had gotten weak doesn't mean Vegeta was stronger than Gohan's previous self. The whole reason Vegeta had gone Majin was because his training had felt like it wasn't achieving what it needed to. Also he 100% would not try to tank spit. He would dodge it and kick Dabura in half like a cell jr.

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#49 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (3318 posts) - - Show Bio

@precrisisbardock:

Yeah he's arrogant but being arrogant doesn't mean he'd let someone spit on him.

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#50 Posted by Aristeaus (661 posts) - - Show Bio

What is with this order? lol