SSJ Cabba vs SSJ2 Gohan

SSJ2 Gohan > Perfect Cell, and to Demon King Dabura as per Vegeta's comment. He was insane powerful as per the Cell fight, where even in Buu Saga Vegeta comments how strong he was then still to that time frame.

Where does Cabba stand to that power as just a Super Sayain?

Gohan wins comfortably. SSJ Gohan would honestly win considering this version had the mastered SSJ Form

Lol...

Cabba murders him.

SSJ2 Gohan is nothing compared to Gotenks SSJ3. Vegeta in base form stomped SSJ3 Gotenks. Vegeta SSJ1 was fighting SSJ Cabba. While Cabba was considerably weaker, he was still stronger than Gotenks, by a mile.

Gohan looks much cooler though... Like a warrior, not a sissy ( cabba )

Gohan, SSJ Cabba is far weaker than base Vegeta. He was getting ragdolled by fat gomu gomu no lady while base Vegeta casually blasted her off.

Teen Gohan should win

what power scaling are we using? Z's or Super's?

With Z's powerscaling gohan 1 shots. With super's powerscaling cabba breathes on him and he dies

i will never understand how cabba is a skinny pile of twigs yet is stronger than kid gohan whos a mountain of muscle

SSJ2 cabba can beat SSJ Vegeta

SSJ2 gohan almost lost to perfect cell who was >= SSJ goku

Therefore cabba wins

Cabba stomps! Base Cabba matched base Vegeta. At this point base Vegeta was able to stomp SSJ 3 Gotenks.

what fight were you watching? gohan decked perfect cell in two hits and had him vomiting up 18.

cell held back vs goku the whole time, and showed his real power only when gohan started dominating him. and then he became SPC and wounded gohan but onyl because gohan had to shield vegeta.

@godemperor123: I wasnt referring to their final fight, gohan was winning but then needed encouragement to finish cell off

Cabba, and if we take all the feats of Super as canon, then it's a massive stomp. Cabba in base was equal to base Vegeta, as stated by Vegeta himself. Copy Vegeta in base was stronger than SS3 Gotenks, who is in an entirely different league than Cell. Also keep in mind that Goku and Vegeta in base can match final form Frieza after his 4 month training session in RoF. There isn't any logical way that Gohan from the Cell saga can win against Cabba. The power gap should be way too large.

Lol cabba is not even close to equal to vegeta in base, it was never stated dont spread that. Any ways an MSS1 Teen Gohan can take him. SS2 TG stomps him very fast.

Gohan with ease.

People voting for gohan do not understand what they watch... ssj1, ssj1 nlt 3 gotenks murders gohan ssj2... ssj1 cabba murders gottenks ssj3. Cabba is in entirely different league...

No... lol

Yes.

SS3 Gotenks couldn't put a single scratch on Base Vegeta. But SS Cabba could give SS Vegeta a moderate workout.

SS Cabba >>>SS3 Gotenks >>>>>SS2 Teen Gohan

Vegeta wasn't trying against cabba that should be fairly obvious.

Cabba handles Gohan fairly nicely. Vegeta suggests back in the U6 VS U7 Tournament that Base Cabba has a comparable power to Vegeta’s own base. It’s kind of poor writing, but the understanding the story was trying to give was that Cabba and the other U6 Saiyans are all around the same levels as current Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan but they’ve just somehow never unlocked any Super Saiyan forms. I know, it’s really bad writing, but that’s what they’re telling us. With this in mind, Vegeta is far beyond his Buu Saga self. DBS is some amount of years past that point and Vegeta has opened up the limits at which he can reach through training a ton more with the unlocking of god ki and Super Saiyan Blue. All of this in mind, Cabba would probably wipe MOST of Z as far as raw strength is involved. Cabba also does a lot of work for the Sadala Defense Force, so we can assume he’s an experienced fighter. Gohan on the other hand is a kid, and at this time a very emotionally vulnerable kid. He had training from Piccolo, Krillin, and Goku before but he’s in no way an experienced fighter. I could see it going to Cabba purely by experience even if we equalized their stats.

People saying Gohan wins clearly did not watch super. When fighting Cabba, Vegeta said their powers were comparable, both were in base. At this point Vegeta in base stomped SSJ 3 Gotenks.

I really don’t see why people are having a hard time with this.

Vegeta said they were equal only to motivate Cabba on going SSJ. SSJ Cabba was stomped by someone who got casually blasted off by not trying base Vegeta

@gaoron: arent you forgetting something? Vegeta got a lot stronger since then. But it does not make cabba any weaker.

@ad-arts: It dosn't matter cause Cabba was never equal to Vegeta to begin with.

Universe 6 Saiyans are touted as what would have happened if the Saiyan race had years of peace and were able to develop more. They're very strong naturally and have a ton of potential but they've never awakened SSJ not because they weren't strong enough, but because they never wanted to and they never had heard of it. Thats why they're able to tap into it simply by focusing their ki. SSJ and SSJ2 for them is comfortable.

Gohan had to train intensely and go into a fit of rage for it to happen and even then he wasn't the best fighter he was just angry and wanted to see cell suffer.

However i think Cabba goes down here because even though he's a decent fighter he often lacks motivation and wimps out a lot. I have no doubt an anger SSJ2 Gohan would make him cower in fear regardless of their power levels. Gohan would probably win, not without a slight struggle though.

U6 saiyans suffer from lack of feats and we can't scale them from our saiyans cause they always hold back against them. This is Cabbas best feat and imo its not enough to give him win against Gohan SS2.

DBS powerscaling is so bad, it's hard to say

okay so besides that fact that Vegeta has fought SSJ3 Gotenks and won twice (once in Z buu clone, again in super vegeta clone) ..... his super saiyan 2 form is clearly stronger than anything short of Vegito from Z now....... the fact that he has shown power above ss2 gohan in his base form fighting against Gotenks and increased his ssj2 above ssj3......Vegeta's ssj1 should still be way more powerful than anything before the buu arc... That said, Cabba was tagging the crap out of SSJ1 Vegeta.

Cabba stomps.

That's a blatant lie. That was a canon statement from Vegeta during the Champa Arc.

"He's good. It looks like we're evenly matched in normal form."

That's a direct quote from DBS episode 37 from Vegeta. You are also missing a basic fact about the Super saiyan transformation; it's not a set power level, it's a multiplier of base. And Cabba's base >>>>>>>>>> Teen Gohan's base during the Cell Saga. This is Vegeta's base after training with Whis; who told the Saiyan's point blank that his training would involve strengthening their base form, and Cabba was still matching it. By DBS power scaling base cabba is too much for any form of teen Gohan, you add in the 50x Super Saiyan multiplier, Gohan gets straight Molly Wopped. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to pit Cell Saga tier characters against Super tier characters. All Dragon Ball fans know their is always a massive power gap from arc to arc, and these are characters who can match Goku and Vegeta after God training. There in no argument that can be made for Gohan in this, only fanboyism.

Cabba wins. It's well-known that Universe 6 Saiyans suffer from the lack of transformation, on top of having extremely high power levels. In fact, Universe 6 Saiyans are so much stronger than their Universe 7 counterparts, that the need for Super Saiyan never came to be until that first tournament, when Vegeta pushed Cabba into transforming.

Pretty much. I mean Buu Saga Mystic Gohan is near equals with DBS SSJ2 goku lol. I dont think the power level gaps from DBZ and DBS is that big at all by feats and statements.

Cabba wins but not a stomp i guess. Its very hard to tell. Who knows maybe Gotenks in DBS is weaker than in DBZ. But Cabba fighting with Vegeta even if we would assume Vegeta is massively holding back is very impressive feat comparison to Cell saga.

Cabba.

base on scaling and hype Cabba murder stomp. base on DBS logic which a ssj2 is a league of power of his oun as was said during the last 2 episode gohan should win

Cabba stomps, sadly. The new power levels in DBS are really killing my soul and heart.

Gohan wins.

Gohan stomps

@thatduderox: which makes no sense with the latest episodes, where we have base Goku dominating SSJ2 Caulifla for a while.

okay, so are we gonna act like Vegeta didn't get any stronger since the Z saga? He is stronger than SSJ2 gohan in Buu Saga, he then manages to get stronger than SSJ3 Goku in BoG, then manages to defeat a clone of himself who was beating down SSJ3 Gotenks, are we suggesting that a fighter he fought evenly against in SSJ is weaker than he was in the Cell Saga?

@ancient_0f_days: when did Vegeta fight the clone of himself?

Plus him fighting cabba proves nothing really, he was training Cabba the whole time

Saying cabba fought Vegeta evenly is the same as saying Goku fought Beerus equally which everyone knows is bull

Just on what I underlined, Cabba wasn't fighting evenly with a serious vegeta, he was fighting evenly with a Vegeta trying to motivate him. I honestly think that unless Goku or Vegeta are being serious then take all of their fights with a grain of salt, they deliberately hold back their actual power all the time even if it results in them getting hurt. I mean Goku for instance got totally manhandled by Berserker Kale in his Blue form and used Blue repeatedly throughout the tournament, but it was only when he fought Jiren that he actually used it's full power (IIRC Belmod literally said "he finally showed the power of Super Saiyan Blue"). Recently Goku in his SSJ2 form could hold out against Kale with her Berserker power and SSJ2 Caulifa, then totally stomped them by using SSJ God. A holding back Goku in his Blue form was massively weaker than cutting loose in his God form, the same form that Jiren could fight against with one finger.

But anyway, I don't think you can really scale Cabba based on his fight with Vegeta when you consider Vegeta's objective and the fact that him and Goku can literally diminish their power, even in their strongest forms. Plus the fact that Vegeta went from grimacing in pain to smiling, casually slapping away Cabba's blasts and totally no selling a haymaker from him when he wanted the fight to end, which should be self explanatory that the gulf in power is huge.

Agreed.

@chickenarcher1998: Goku and vegeta have also gotten significantly stronger since the Champa Arc. Vegeta himself got a huge boost when he fought Black and Zamasu. He went from getting dominated by black to completely overwhelming him by the end of that arc. Power levels in Dragon Ball always sky rocket from arc to arc, that's why you guys sound ridiculous comparing a cell saga character to a someone who was stated by Vegeta himself no less, to be his equal in base, and that was after he went through god training. And Vegeta thought that to himself, he didn't tell Cabba verbally they were equal in power. What reason would he have to lie in his inner monologue? Vegeta's base is strong enough to fight final form frieza post his 4 month training session, and was no selling attacks from Gotenks at Super Saiyan 3. So Vegeta acknowledging Cabba as an equal puts him far above anyone in the Cell saga. You guys are providing no argument other than Gohan seems stronger so he must be stronger, even though that contradicts everything Super has provided. I don't like Super's power scaling either, but based on its canon, Cabba is stronger than anyone in the Cell Saga. Again, Super Saiyan is not a set power level, it's a multiplier of base. Can you honestly say that Gohan's base during the Cell games is equal to Vegeta during the Champa Arc.

@thatduderox: DBS scalling is off, there is absolutely no way of telling what is what so everyone just goes with showing rather than power scaling and the fact a ssj1 is weaker than 2 regardless of base state, just look at gohan just when he got his mystic form he went up against blue goku who by scaling in base form should stomp him

YUUUUP

@omriamar: But what your saying was proven false by Goku who was not only keeping up with a SS2 Caulifla, but landed solid blows on her as well, in his base. Again this was after he went through hell with Black, so Goku and Vegeta's base are significantly more powerful in the ToP arc than in the Champa arc. This was shown by Vegeta dominating an opponent in base during the tournament that Cabba was struggling against as a Super Saiyan. a saiyan's base strength is key to the power they posses as a Super Saiyan and super saiyan transformations after. That's why Whis had Goku and Vegeta train their base specifically. And Cabba's base strength is far stronger than Gohan's during the cell saga. Also keep in mind that SS2 Goku and majin vegeta during the Buu saga were both stated to be stronger than Gohan when he fought Cell. That same Vegeta almost got beat to death by Fat Buu, literally. Gotenks is on par with Fat Buu and was on par with Super Buu as SS3. Gotenks stood no chance against Vegeta in base after his God training. Cell Saga tier characters and Super tier characters are just in different realms of power.

Cabba wins by a very large margin

Dragonball Super’s powerscaling is pretty much retarded. Cabba wins because it is DBS and everyone who should be fodder apparently get a 1000000000000000000000x powerboost to keep up with characters who are near God level.

If the fight took place in DBZ Gohan would stomp Cabba with no effort, but since it’s DBS, SSJ Cabba >>>>>>>>> SSJ2 Gohan.

I say Base Cabba stomps